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That quote doesn’t say specifically where. I’d need to see the whole section.
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no, the land gone astray will be brought to His earth. i made a cosmology map of that... a huge cosmological Change is happening. there is more than one earth ; lands can refer to different lands in scripture.
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well isaiah was talking about going home...now. the attributes of God will be freed from this dungeon prison earth. we are going Home.
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often the literal is totally misinterpreted because a) assumption that it happened on this earth in these type of bodies.
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Isaiah is talking about: events going on in the other world, since the fall and right now, with rev and end times. Literal events. Genesis is also literal and happened in the other world but often since there are lacuna, marked as symbolic only. A register and overlay but not the main point, is the 500ad context but that’s less important.
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While there are many dimensions and people we might not know of, who we will see in heaven, the problem is that the current physical universe and cosmos and its expanding, is part of the enemy realm matrix. This earth is a prison functioning as a shield against God... a place where souls need be very careful choosing; because this world tries to steer souls against God at every chance, in a million ways.
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The urantia book is a reference? why? I will reply to the op that cain is a complicated topic and doesn’t mean eve had physical material relations with a satanic being.
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All nations on this earth are but earthly kingdoms run by the mindset of this world. Zion (tsiun) is not on this earth. Israël is not a country on this earth. There is no future for this earth. Prophets write it will be destroyed, sky and land. The precious to Him is His souls. He hurts when we do not obey and follow Him.
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I was shocked by the poor things living in cardboard boxes.:(
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Note: i was given a link (as if it were similar to what i posted which it is Not.) The site was to some lds branch, luckily I forgot the name already. Im not familiar with lds denominations. But the site was run by a woman and related to the idea of female angels and Holy spirit. I looked. I found the site polluted , confused, and referring to pagan goddesses. Horrible and deluded. That’s the type of site that causes the whole topic to be avoided. Horrible. No I won’t give the link.
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Okay.
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what about dreams and visions?
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I don’t know if there is. How long were you in Ecuador? I was in Venezuela for two years in 1979-80.
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I don't you don't like those themes I posted... I do have a question. What does the third hour represent to LDS ? Being the title of the forums ?
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In all the versions, the watchers (fallen angels) invade eden to steal attributes from Him, and control those attributes, though how i wrote it is a bit brief to completely make the point. In plato, though this is not about the fall but after, the gods build their cities and heaven above eden, because her energies are such as to give immortality and beauty, the atmosphere itself... rg-vedas discuss the same, that the energies of eden they used to create soma of the gods. There are beings in the rg-veda, referred to as maruts, who are literally of golden like or some imperishable substance, having dressed themselves in the energies of eden, and for that reason, rg-veda says that the maruts are not interested in silver or gold (in the form of metals), being already in possession of such strength as to overcome any rival. The hieroglyphs describe the same, how the gods took lots to acquire the eden powers and dress themselves in them, and other things which are a bit gruesome to tell... but that, they literally waited for adamite souls to be born to acquire their bodies and nature. And, to create soma, their powers, how as in the mahabharata account, they literally cut off and cut up the eden body to distribute. For the originals captured, keeping them completely afraid of sinning and make them to forget. The glyphs say the same, that the originals will be made to forget and be apes instead...creatures instead of gods, and literally to be kept imprisoned, unaware of what's really going on.
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Some take these things to say well "the traditions all share the same events", and interpret them differently as I do of course. But I have valid reason to interpret these negatively, given that the event is accomplished as a conquest, by force and deception, in those texts. It just depends on which side of the conquest the text is telling, for God, such as scripture, or against God, such as these texts where other gods vie for power and to steal from God.
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I can tell greek and egyptian versions, and also rg-veda etc.. In every version, the originals of eden are captured in some way, to produce a different reality, using eden as its source to vampire from. I typed a bit so I will stop there for now. All of this is in cliff note, so there is much left out.
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sumerian version Note that there are many other topics where parallels exist, but I am only focusing on the stories related to the fall, and the loss of the body. In this version, the sumerian god marduk attacks eden and steals the eden nature. Eden in those texts is referred to as tiamat. The texts tell that another God (of scripture) appeared in their midst, being viewed as a threat. marduk had been creating beings, but they were not that smart and not very pretty, more apelike. Those of marduk's realm were very afraid of eden, because, eden having a very high refresh rate not the slow gravity of matter (resulting in virtually no sense of time as we know it in terms of deterioration and death), was utterly lethal to them, just as would be lethal to use to have a monoxide atmosphere. However, afraid, they wanted those same powers, and asked marduk, "please give us bodies as those two", referring to the bodies of adam and eve, that were so powerful. Marduk using a type of spear (a dimensional change of axis), pierced tiamat, tand hus separating the atmosphere (male attribute) from the land (female). Actually correction, the other God in their midst was related to marduk some how, who marduk (satan, lucifer) had a different idea of how to proceed, and rebelled. It's been a while since I read that and I forgot.
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This is a vedic version, as such, I've added my own comments, which may not make sense until I talk about the egyptian and Greek version and also the sumerian version. The story has a meaning in scriptural context and also in other contexts but here I am not yet going into that. I will start with it here. Keeping in mind that this story predates Hinduism and would have happened in the other world, not this material earth. There is a story in mahabharata, a vedic text. about how a deity, tricked eve (called pritha) to succumb to him. She of course remained a maiden. For some reason, she was left alone, far from her own family, to tend to this lord, and the lord had company. This company was a sun god, and he brought pritha a gift, a magic spell. If she used the spell she could summon some power (paraphrasing.) She was curious and but a girl and looked at the spell.... then, the same god returned, and told her now if she did not give a gift, that would be rude... and that, what he wanted was a son. she complained that her family would be upset, that was not done...and that, she needed to stay a maiden so she could marry...but the god assured her that not to worry, he would not blemish her and that she could still have a son. pritha was very confused, from being spelled by the gift previous, and so she agreed, and the god pierced her tummy with a ray. and then she hid from the family the son. the god, wanted a son from her, to steal from her the nature of her realm, eden, how I understood it, based on what happens next. she has the son and to hide him , sends him down the river in a basket of reeds, just as moses, and a family finds him. the boy grows to be a god, stronger than ALL the other gods, having the nature of the realm of the girl, not the foreign realm that tries to get a child from her. He grows and he is a brave youth, able to accomplish anything at all... a messenger of the gods come to him, because the gods, want his 'body', being his chestplate and his being, which they are most covetous of. The youth wanted to please the gods, having been separated all his life from his mother, and knowing only that realm and peoples who were foreign to his mother. He had no idea of his lineage being of Eden. He is concerned because if he gives his body to the messenger to give to agni (Lucifer) he will die, and have no covering and be left a helpless wretch... but, he decides to give up his body on the promise he will receive a replacement body. This happens, and the gods obtain the powers they wanted all along, by making the girl have the child such to later turn him to their purpose. This also reminds of the story of joseph working in Egypt... thus the youth is given a different body than his original one. So he betrays his own nature, but in the vedic version they downplay anything negative, because it serves the gods to obtain what they obtained by the youth, regardless of how this was done. The story of course is untrustworthy to the extent that the is meaning is twisted to the vedic point of view , of that pantheon who benefitted from the theft of the original body of that youth, who while after was still godlike, was not of the powers of before, or had even realized who he was or what his situation was.
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Its such a huge topic. I wish I could record. sigh. I can tell it in a narrative..but what a long post.
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I'm not so worried to be off topic, other than, if it never returns to the topic. But sometimes, it feels many new topics get thrown in, and i would not have time to find the references, or reply well to it all without creating long posts..and then that would be very much off the topic.. The problem with the reply is that it probably is not an lds type of response and I don't know if I'd get in trouble, particularly because I would need to refer to texts that aren't of interest to anyone. If you can stand that for a bit, then I start to reply. This is ad hoc, I'm just typing. So if there is a reference, I can find it. Next post I will reply. Also, I do feel sometimes somehow, there was no choice... I've to see how to phrase properly the situation , as I understand *so far*.
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The part about His Spirit helping the 144k sons at the very end and bringing them to Him is true. :)
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I am not trying to be discouraging okay...but parts of what you said, though maybe okay... are mixed together with an other context I cringe from...and that makes me unsure to comment back in a positive way, since I don't know the coloring of your words... meaning, I don't know what realm is speaking those words.
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I wish you start your own thread on your topic of this... if you want. Because it's a lot and I can't relate to the phrasing or arranging of the words, much being speculation. And I don't how how to reply to you always, plus, it results in many posts, as if were pm's.
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I cannot read that sid roth. I do not feel the words. It's but Esau's gibberish words. Much of NT is a play out. That itself is an explanation left for another place. I can't comment on all that, it's not what i understand how you are assembling it. Paul's most important point is that we die to this world and all its needs and wants, die to the Self.
