Book of Mormon

[Islander]

Sure, some parts of the Bible can't be proven. But once again, the difference is we're talking about the existance of an entire culture. I would think that evidence would matter very much to you, if you can prove with archeology that the BOM civilizations actually existed, then no rational person could deny that Joseph Smith was a prophet, myself included.

My young friend, your are perhaps purposefully missing the point. Inquiry is about YOUR pursue of the truth as much as it is about truth itself. If you already decided based on what you have been told by others the BoM is not true, there is little I can say to encourage you to ACTUALLY research and inquire to discern for yourself.

The BoM is here, it exist, it comes to us from an unusual source, some would say, and although as of today not very specific evidence exist (it has sufficient internal evidence to suggest to most that it was written by eyewitnesses) the task at hand is to inquire about its truthfulness. Again, if evidence is what you seek you should not be a Christian since there is none available for Christ Himself. I fail to see the difference. I fail to see why you should hold the BoM to a much higher degree of "archeological" scrutiny than the bible other than arbitrary bias.

I do not have to prove to you that the BoM is true. You have to find out for yourself if that is the desire of your heart.:)

[jimuk]

Sure, some parts of the Bible can't be proven. But once again, the difference is we're talking about the existance of an entire culture. I would think that evidence would matter very much to you, if you can prove with archeology that the BOM civilizations actually existed, then no rational person could deny that Joseph Smith was a prophet, myself included.

Hi there August.

I really do think that you underestimate the true power of the holy ghost, why would you call yourself a Christian just because man has told you things about Jesus which you "think" to be true, we know without a doubt, the spirit has made it known to us.

Why not read the Book of Mormon and then if you really want to know ask of god, who will manifest the truth to you, by sending the Holy Ghost to bear witness to you of these things, How simple is that, don't be afraid of heavenly father he loves you, and waits for you to ask.

Really August the Holy spirit is so, so important in all this, he holds us fast, he gives us our testimony, not man.

There is a living prophet on the earth today, and one day in the not to far future all mankind will know this, there will be those that are full of greed and hate that, even knowing this to be true will still rally against him for fear of losing their wealth.

[abqfriend]

Hi

I would agree with you that reading the Book of Mormon is a start, but one should also read the Doctrines and Covenants which are equally important as they further define LDS Doctrines and teachings. The Pearl of Great Price /Selections from the Book of Moses as revealed to Joseph Smith would also be appropriate. The Book of Abraham as translated from the Papyrus by Joseph Smith would also be helpful--so just start with the Book of Mormon-but do not end there.

Catholics believe the Holy Spirit is given to us at our Baptism, so the Holy Spirit is already present in our lives.

Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit works in us through The Word of God and the Sacraments of the Church

I agree with you that it is good to learn about other faith traditions than our own and let the Holy Spirit guide us in seeking Truth.

-Carol

Hi there August.

I really do think that you underestimate the true power of the holy ghost, why would you call yourself a Christian just because man has told you things about Jesus which you "think" to be true, we know without a doubt, the spirit has made it known to us.

Why not read the Book of Mormon and then if you really want to know ask of god, who will manifest the truth to you, by sending the Holy Ghost to bear witness to you of these things, How simple is that, don't be afraid of heavenly father he loves you, and waits for you to ask.

Really August the Holy spirit is so, so important in all this, he holds us fast, he gives us our testimony, not man.

There is a living prophet on the earth today, and one day in the not to far future all mankind will know this, there will be those that are full of greed and hate that, even knowing this to be true will still rally against him for fear of losing their wealth.

Edited September 21, 2008 by abqfriend

[jimuk]

The Book of mormon for anyone wanting to know the truth of the church is much more than a just "place to start" it is the beginning of the lds scriptures, through this book one will know whether the church is true to heavenly father and Jesus, but he/she must ask for the right reasons, and the right reason would not be to cause contention among the children of god, the time to ask of heavenly father would be when you have read something that fills you with joy and happiness, or even sadness for the people of the times this was written. Not thinking " Hmmm i have got them on this one" lol, you will not get an answer.

Your inquiry must needs come from your heart, with love and a true needing to know.

Oh heavenly father please send your spirit to witness to me if the joyous and sad things i have partaken of in this wonderful work is true, father i am in need your loving guidance.

Father i ask these things in the name of your loving son Jesus Christ, Amen.

[candyprpl]

Hi

I would agree with you that reading the Book of Mormon is a start, but one should also read the Doctrines and Covenants which are equally important as they further define LDS Doctrines and teachings. The Pearl of Great Price /Selections from the Book of Moses as revealed to Joseph Smith would also be appropriate. The Book of Abraham as translated from the Papyrus by Joseph Smith would also be helpful--so just start with the Book of Mormon-but do not end there.

Catholics believe the Holy Spirit is given to us at our Baptism, so the Holy Spirit is already present in our lives.

Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit works in us through The Word of God and the Sacraments of the Church

I agree with you that it is good to learn about other faith traditions than our own and let the Holy Spirit guide us in seeking Truth.

-Carol

You are so wonderful, Carol!!! I admire you for your interest and for your willingness to learn on your own and the way you ask questions without trying to prove us wrong for our beliefs.:)

We believe that we all have the "light of Christ" (the Holy Spirit) but (and this is the difference) we believe that a person is given the "Gift of the Holy Ghost" by the laying on of hands by one having authority. I have personally experienced that difference. Before baptism I felt times when I was prompted about dangers, or comforted in times of dispair (etc) but now, I feel the Holy Spirit all the time, guiding me in all that I do. We know that we must stay worthy of that constant companionship and in times of transgression (which I've experienced) I felt the Holy Ghost withdraw and felt the difference when I repented.

I hope you have read enough of my posts to know that I really do respect you for what you believe.

August,

IMO -- to me it doesn't concern me that they have not found evidence (yet) of the culture mentioned in the Book of Mormon. If and when they do find such evidence all I'll have to say is, huh, interesting. Knowledge (evidence) of spiritual matters comes from God the Father through the Holy Ghost and I have had that knowledge confirmed. It took me almost 40 years to humble myself enough to ask Heavenly Father if the BoM was true, but I received my strong witness in a powerful, not to be denied, way.:)

Sincerely, Candace

[Guest ceeboo]

[quote name=Islander;2611

Again' date=' if evidence is what you seek you should not be a Christian since there is none available for Christ Himself. )

Hello my dear dear good friend Islander,:):)

:confused:

Certainly you do not suggest that there is NO evidence for the life and " first hand " accounts of Christ, do you ???

God bless,

Carl

[Misshalfway]

Hello my dear dear good friend Islander,:):)

:confused:

Certainly you do not suggest that there is NO evidence for the life and " first hand " accounts of Christ, do you ???

God bless,

Carl

Are you suggesting that there is? Anything other than scripture???? That is provable thru science or historical evidence?

[Guest ceeboo]

Are you suggesting that there is? Anything other than scripture???? That is provable thru science or historical evidence?

LOL ( forgive my laughing out loud ):)

I guess we can't prove ( science or historical evidence ) Joeseph Smith ever really existed either or Abe Lincoln or etc etc

God bless,

Carl

[Misshalfway]

LOL ( forgive my laughing out loud ):)

I guess we can't prove ( science or historical evidence ) Joeseph Smith ever really existed either or Abe Lincoln or etc etc

God bless,

Carl

Exactly!!!

Jesus Christ and anything about his gospel wasn't meant to be believed because of DNA or history. We believe because He changed our hearts and we became converted. Period. It is the same for any Christian. It is the same for the Bible. It is the same for the Book of Mormon. If the Bible were "just" a historical document, it wouldn't have the power to compel the reader to spiritual change. The BofM can and will produce spiritual experience. I have felt it. Can't prove it. But I can testify of it the same as I would Jesus Christ and my knowledge that He is real and the Holy Ghost will testify of the truth of all of it.

John 14:26 But the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you the truth of all things.....,...

Edited September 22, 2008 by Misshalfway

[Guest ceeboo]

Exactly!!!

Jesus Christ and anything about his gospel wasn't meant to be believed because of DNA or history. We believe because He changed our hearts and we became converted. Period. It is the same for any Christian. It is the same for the Bible. It is the same for the Book of Mormon. If the Bible were "just" a historical document, it wouldn't have the power to compel the reader to spiritual change. The BofM can and will produce spiritual experience. I have felt it. Can't prove it. But I can testify of it the same as I would Jesus Christ and my testimony that He is real.

Hello Misshalfway,

I do appreciate your testimony of both ( Jesus and BofM ).

I was not questioning your, or others, testimony of BofM, I was simply confused as to the offering that made " BOTH " ( BofM ) and ( Christ ) EQUALLY reliant on total faith.

I would offer, even if you do not believe in Christ as Christ, the SEVERAL first hand accounts of different people telling the exact same story over a rather good amount of time ( Many died telling this account ) is a pretty solid case that the man DID walk this earth 2000 years ago.

God bless,

Carl

[Misshalfway]

Hello Misshalfway,

I do appreciate your testimony of both ( Jesus and BofM ).

I was not questioning your, or others, testimony of BofM, I was simply confused as to the offering that made " BOTH " ( BofM ) and ( Christ ) EQUALLY reliant on total faith.

I would offer, even if you do not believe in Christ as Christ, the SEVERAL first hand accounts of different people telling the exact same story over a rather good amount of time ( Many died telling this account ) is a pretty solid case that the man DID walk this earth 2000 years ago.

God bless,

Carl

Yes. But this thread is about the validity of the Book of Mormon and the measuring stick one should use to discover spiritual truth. It seems in this case there is a double standard. It is ok to believe the Jesus story because of the testimony of others. But the testimony of millions isn't enough for some in the case of the Book of Mormon. We need archeological and DNA evidence before some will even crack the cover. And anyway.....such basis for any spiritual belief on these leaves a pretty weak foundation in terms of spiritual growth and commitment.

I also find your post interesting on another account. The Book of Mormon is nothing more than another testimony that Jesus walked on this planet and administered to humans. It is evidence that Jesus visited another continent and taught the same message and gave the same instructions. Yet you and others will dismiss it, because .....why exactly will you dismiss it? When you use the same logic to defend the existence of Jesus???

[Guest ceeboo]

John 14:26 But the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you the truth of all things.....,...

Hello again Misshalfway,

I have seen this quote and some others offered alot.

Does that mean that you believe ALL others ( Non LDS ) DO NOT have the Holy Ghost with us. I do not believe in the BofM ( obviously ) so does that mean I do not have the Holy Spirit living in me ??

God bless,

Carl

[Misshalfway]

Hello again Misshalfway,

I have seen this quote and some others offered alot.

Does that mean that you believe ALL others ( Non LDS ) DO NOT have the Holy Ghost with us. I do not believe in the BofM ( obviously ) so does that mean I do not have the Holy Spirit living in me ??

God bless,

Carl

That isn't what I am saying at all. I am only trying to illustrate how one comes to a knowledge that anything is true whether it be Jesus or the Bible or in this case the Book of Mormon.

Ceeboo, it is an invitation. Would you base your testimony of Christ on history? or on your spiritual experience? I am asking and arguing that one should not base the truthfulness of the BofM on the arm of the flesh. But that they should appeal to the Father of us all for knowledge.

I just hope that you all won't disregard the BofM because there isn't DNA to compel you to believe. My invitation is to read the book and then let the Spirit guide. If one really studies the book and goes to the Lord in prayer, God will tell that person one way or the other if the book is true. That is the deal. We don't need DNA. Moses didn't need it. Peter didn't need it. And neither do we. Jesus himself taught us to seek after the Spirit for knowledge. That is my point.

The Spirit of God can convince anyone of the truth. Even those most opposed to the Book of Mormon have had their hearts softened and their minds enlightened.

[Guest ceeboo]

Yes. But this thread is about the validity of the Book of Mormon and the measuring stick one should use to discover spiritual truth. It seems in this case there is a double standard. It is ok to believe the Jesus story because of the testimony of others. But the testimony of millions isn't enough for some in the case of the Book of Mormon. We need archeological and DNA evidence before some will even crack the cover. And anyway.....such basis for any spiritual belief on these leaves a pretty weak foundation in terms of spiritual growth and commitment.

I also find your post interesting on another account. The Book of Mormon is nothing more than another testimony that Jesus walked on this planet and administered to humans. It is evidence that Jesus visited another continent and taught the same message and gave the same instructions. Yet you and others will dismiss it, because .....why exactly will you dismiss it? When you use the same logic to defend the existence of Jesus???

" Thread about validity of BofM " Yes, that is why I was confused as to Islander's offering to compare it to Chritians.

" Millions testimony isn't enough for BofM " would you offer the same for testimony of millions of Jews or Muslims or JW's or Budhists or Catholics???

" The BofM is nothing more than another testimony that Jesus walked on this planet and administered to humans. It is evidence that Jesus visited another continent and taught the same message and gave the same instuctions"

OHHH Misshalfway, I DO respect your belief in this, PLEASE try and understand MINE. I do not accept this as FACT as you offer, they ARE NOT the same IMHO.:)

God bless,

Carl

[BenRaines]

Ceeboo, by your reckoning how many of the authors of the New Testament actually saw and walked with Christ.

Ben Raines

[Guest ceeboo]

Ceeboo, by your reckoning how many of the authors of the New Testament actually saw and walked with Christ.

Ben Raines

Hello Ben,

My reckoning is that about a dozen walked and saw Christ ( NT authors ). In addition, there have been several (during his life and shortly after ) that have written historical accounts of these things ( many who wrote of him and did NOT believe he was who he said he was )

May I ask you a question?

How many authors are there that walked with and saw Christ in the BofM??

God bless,

Carl

[August]

Maybe I should ask this question. What is the difference between a spiritual truth and a historical fact? What most of you are saying about the BOM, is to pray about it and see if the Holy Spirit tells you that its true. Certainly, you can't know that Jesus is your savior, or that God loves you without praying about it. Those are spiritual matters. However, knowing whether or not ancient Jews came to America is a historical question. I mean, even an atheist would acknowledge that the BOM was based on true events if they found conclusive evidence for the existence of the BOM civilizations. I grant you, there's probably plenty of artifacts from mesoamerica that haven't been found yet, so we'll see.

Edited September 22, 2008 by August

[pam]

I personally have never seen any artifacts that prove to me that the Savior lived or that he existed at all. But yet I know without a shadow of a doubt that he did live. The same with the majority of people that I know. No physical evidence but yet their testimony is just as strong of this knowledge as if they had been shown.

The same with the BOM. Do I need tangible evidence that the things written in the Book of Mormon are true? No I don't. I believe with all my heart that it is true. That the things written did happen. I don't need proof of the existence of the civilizations. I don't need proof with artifacts.

I get a little tired of those that want to disprove the truthfullness of the Book of Mormon because of this. I've read the Book of Mormon not once but many times. I've never once doubted it's truthfullness.

For anyone that doesn't believe...that is your right and your opinion and I respect that.

[Misshalfway]

" Thread about validity of BofM " Yes, that is why I was confused as to Islander's offering to compare it to Chritians.

" Millions testimony isn't enough for BofM " would you offer the same for testimony of millions of Jews or Muslims or JW's or Budhists or Catholics???

" The BofM is nothing more than another testimony that Jesus walked on this planet and administered to humans. It is evidence that Jesus visited another continent and taught the same message and gave the same instuctions"

OHHH Misshalfway, I DO respect your belief in this, PLEASE try and understand MINE. I do not accept this as FACT as you offer, they ARE NOT the same IMHO.:)

God bless,

Carl

I don't know how I am not showing you that I understand your point of view. I know that you don't believe in the BofM. You have made that clear on more than once. I am sorry that you don't feel that I am trying to understand your position. Truth is I am trying to argue the merits of the BofM and the question of the day is how an individual can know that it is true without physical proof. Truth be told, I can't wait until someone will actually discuss the actual text and the doctrine in the pages rather than dance around it with arguments about whether or not you believe the ruins in Meso America prove or disprove the existence of Jewish people. Which by the way reminds me.....the Bible is clear that the tribes of Israel were scattered. Well, where the heck did they go? They had to go somewhere! They didn't just vanish! Isn't it at least plausible that God would actually lead some of those groups to America??

And with regards to your question about the different groups and their individual beliefs.......I have spoken about this many times as have others. We believe there is much truth in the world and that many have been inspired throughout the centuries. Unlike other Christian groups, we don't condemn the rest of the world for their beliefs. We believe there is much truth in the world and much goodness in the many churches. For me, if I weren't a mormon, I would probably be a Buddhist. :) Good stuff in the East! We offer and invite the world to Come unto Christ and to learn about MORE of his revealed gospel in the latter days. We believe that all men are saved thru Christ.....but that the level of salvation depends on the degree of truth that an individual accepts. And now I am blabbering on and on.........but maybe....just maybe I have made some sort of sense...but then again it is late where I am and all bets are off.

[skalenfehl]

August, the reason we are challenged to pray about the Book of Mormon by the prophets that wrote it is not so much to receive a witness that they lived, built temples, roads, traded wares, shared the gospel, planted crops and lived day to day like we do. The reason we are challenged to pray is because it is the first step in acknowledging God and that he is our Father in Heaven. By doing so and after reading the scriptures, we realize what kind of a loving Father in Heaven God is and that he called prophets to do His work.

We also pray to God because we know that He is the source of all truth and if we are willing to sincerely seek that truth and live by that truth and committed to that truth and willing to be converted to that truth if God sees fit to test our faith, then it is the true principles of the gospel that are taught in the Book of Mormon that will convert us, and not how many pieces of pottery or hieroglyphs we find because bold faced proof has never been enough to convert those who don't have room for the gospel in their lives anyway. Are you familiar with the parable of the (click) Rich man and Lazarus? Even if a prophet from the Bible came to life and testified to a person who wasn't willing to live the gospel, it would only be to his condemnation. So what does it profit one who wants proof? All it will do is verify to that person that cultures did exist and he will admit it, though to his condemnation because he in essence rejects the truth and God will not suffer us to receive truth to our condemnation. Does this make sense?

Therefore, if the Holy Ghost speaks to you as It has to countless others, and tells you that those precious gospel principles are indeed true, then regardless of any and all anthropological evidences that we have or ever will have, we can know that those people did live. It is by the power of the Holy Ghost that we know the truth of anything for the Holy Ghost never lies. If the Book of Mormon is true, and I testify to you that it is, and you truly want to know from the source of all truth whether or not it is true and you are willing to humble yourself as a small child, teachable and submissive to Father in Heaven, and if you are willing to act upon that answer and Father in Heaven sees fit to try your faith and though you may wrestle in spirit with the Lord as (click)Cornelius did in the New Testament, Acts 10, then you will receive a witness from God. Do you have the same faith as Cornelius to sue the Lord for something so precious and live as Cornelius and many others who found the truth for themselves did? Cornelius fasted and prayed for four days!

The last prophet in the Book of Mormon issued this challenge to us in our day:

Moroni 10: 3-5

3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts.

4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.

5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.

Best wishes.

Edited September 23, 2008 by skalenfehl

[jimuk]

skalenfehl Wrote, " He is the source of all truth and if we are willing to sincerely seek that truth "

There you have it, " sincerely seek the truth " and not just to gain points.

Do you think we would have any reason to Lie to you, what would we gain from that.

Yes everybody that does good in the world has the Holy spirit "visited" upon them, that feeling of having done good, it is nothing like being proud of what you done, but doing what is natural to our spirit, for the good of mankind.

Now think of this comfort concentrated a million times, and having this all the time, that is what Having the Power of the holy ghost residing with you is. Yes i am able to tell you this, because i do have this comfort, i have this now whilst writing this post, i do not write to cause contentions amongst you, i try with all my heart and soul to try to make you understand how important the Holy Ghost is, he is not in "any" book, he does not come forth from the mouth of man to gain riches from Christs followers. Do you not feel that this is true, Just love him, Almighty god, and Jesus, and i tell you now that he will visit you, and with a great power.

I write these things plainly for all to see, no scriptures mentioned, for what good can they be if you deny the power and spirit of your god who is in heaven.

Nothing we say can make you believe that, to you it is as fanatical as telling somebody " i just seen micky mouse walking into the supermarket, it is something one has to experience. not proven.

Even when archeological evidence "is" found to uphold our beliefs, do you think for one minute that old nick will not fight to stop people believing in this evidence, of course he will.

It will be believed by those whom our heavenly father thinks fit to send the Holy spirit to visit, and them only.

So guys, believe what you will, but you will never believe until you ask your father in heaven for the truth of these things, nobody here has this power to convince you, god alone has to do this amazing thing.

LDS members are not a bunch of cranks, they do nothing that is bad in todays world, they try, and this is the big word " Try " with all their hearts to follow Jesus and make their decisions on what he himself would do in their situations. And this is why god has put a living prophet here, to guide us on our way.

So if you really want/need to know do not be afraid to ask of " Your father ".

[abqfriend]

No one can prove to another that their religion is the correct one while the other lacks some truth or validity. One can give their reasons and let the Holy Spirit do the rest.

All religions are ultimately based on faith.

One way of learning and understanding the faith tradition of another is-We talk to others, we take time to read the sacred writings of another faith tradition and we pray as the spirit leads us to truth.

As we are talking about the Book of Mormon, and I would add Doctrine and Covenants too-I would encourage those searching to read those books and not things just about those books. Go to the source. There is much good to be found in them.

I am a Catholic and have been led by the Spirit to show me that my Catholic faith is correct for me, however, I am open to learning about other faith traditions in a kind and gentle manner. My Church teaches tolerance of other faith traditions. It was not always that way.

I encourage thoe inquiring of the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants to read those wonderful writings. There is much good in them. As a Catholic, it matters not to me that the accounts alluded to by Joseph Smith cannot be scientifically proven or not. It is the message contained in those accounts that is the important thing. Whether taken literally/historically or symbolically-the message is a wonderful one about a Heavenly Father who greatly cares for his children in all parts of the world.

There is much to like in LDS doctrines and teachings-that is shown by the wonderful LDS members that I have met here and in my own personal life-like my podiatrist who tells me he would make a home visit to see my husband who has terminal cancer and may not be able to make an office appointment. How many doctors do you know in big cities who will make a home visit-I know at least one-and he happens to be an LDS member.

LDS members dress up for Church--I only wished Catholics came into their sacred spaces-which we call Churches- in the same way!

So-a friendly discussion is fine-but remember Religion is ultimately about faith. And our actions of love and caring to others speak more than any words we may say about our faith. They will know we are Christians by our Love-By our Love!

May the Heavenly Father of us all-bless each of us with his Love!

Carol

Edited September 23, 2008 by abqfriend

[Maya]

You seam to have all the same questions as our critics think will harm us.... . You can try also to read www.lds1.org there are many answers waiting for readers...

[Guest ceeboo]

Truth is I am trying to argue the merits of the BofM and the question of the day is how an individual can know that it is true without physical proof. Truth be told, I can't wait until someone will actually discuss the actual text and the doctrine in the pages rather than dance around it

Hello Misshalfway,

" You are trying to argue the merits of the BofM "

" You can't wait until someone will actually discuss the actual text and the doctrine in the pages rather than dance around it "

Okay my friend, I will not dance around a discussion of merit or doctrine.:

You say you want to discuss the actual doctrine ( teachings ) of BofM. Can you tell me where in the BofM Jesus teaches ( doctrine ) about eternal progression? Can you tell me where in the BofM Jesus teaches ( doctrine ) about Jesus Christ being the " spirit brother" of Lucifer? Can you tell me where in the BofM that Jesus teaches that men can become Gods? Can you tell me where in the BofM that Jesus teaches that God once was mere man of an earth before he became God of ours?

Why are none of these teachings ( doctrine ) mentioned or supported by the very book ( BofM ) that claims to fullfill the Gospel in its etirity??

God bless,

Carl

[Misshalfway]

Hello Misshalfway,

" You are trying to argue the merits of the BofM "

" You can't wait until someone will actually discuss the actual text and the doctrine in the pages rather than dance around it "

Okay my friend, I will not dance around a discussion of merit or doctrine.:

You say you want to discuss the actual doctrine ( teachings ) of BofM. Can you tell me where in the BofM Jesus teaches ( doctrine ) about eternal progression? Can you tell me where in the BofM Jesus teaches ( doctrine ) about Jesus Christ being the " spirit brother" of Lucifer? Can you tell me where in the BofM that Jesus teaches that men can become Gods? Can you tell me where in the BofM that Jesus teaches that God once was mere man of an earth before he became God of ours?

Why are none of these teachings ( doctrine ) mentioned or supported by the very book ( BofM ) that claims to fullfill the Gospel in its etirity??

God bless,

Carl

Edited September 23, 2008 by Misshalfway