Sabbat?

[realkruger]

Hello im new LDS. sorry my easy english.

Lehi was a jew. Jews celebrate saturday as seventh day. after lehi travelled to amerika it is very possible that his people continiued celebrate sabbat. so why there is no post in book mormon about sabbat and why do we celebrate sunday. do you have something to confute this?

sorry but my adventist friends gave me this question.

[Guest DeborahC]

I found this online and thought it was a good answer.. but I honestly don't know.. will have to research that. Good question.

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Yes, Saturday is the Sabbath. But Sunday is the Lord's Day.

Christ, while observing the Sabbath, set himself in word and act against this absurd rigorism which made man a slave of the day. He reproved the scribes and Pharisees for putting an intolerable burden on men's shoulders (Matthew 23:4), and proclaimed the principle that "the sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath" (Mark 2:27). He cured on the Sabbath, and defended His disciples for plucking ears of corn on that day. In His arguments with the Pharisees on this account He showed that the Sabbath is not broken in cases of necessity or by acts of charity (Matthew 12:3 sqq.; Mark 2:25 sqq.; Luke 6:3 sqq.; 14:5). St. Paul enumerates the Sabbath among the Jewish observances which are not obligatory on Christians (Colossians 2:16; Galatians 4:9-10; Romans 14:5). The gentile converts held their religious meetings on Sunday (Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2) and with the disappearance of the Jewish Christian churches this day was exclusively observed as the Lord's Day.

Sunday was the first day of the week according to the Jewish method of reckoning, but for Christians it began to take the place of the Jewish Sabbath in Apostolic times as the day set apart for the public and solemn worship of God. The practice of meeting together on the first day of the week for the celebration of the Eucharistic Sacrifice is indicated in Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2; in Apocalypse 1:10, it is called the Lord's day. In the Didache (14) the injunction is given: "On the Lord's Day come together and break bread. And give thanks (offer the Eucharist), after confessing your sins that your sacrifice may be pure". St. Ignatius (Ep. ad Magnes. ix) speaks of Christians as "no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also Our Life rose again". In the Epistle of Barnabas (xv) we read: "Wherefore, also, we keep the eight day (i.e. the first of the week) with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead".

[Moksha]

Sundown Friday night to sundown Saturday night. Sunday became the official Christian day, by an Imperial edict in 321 AD, if I remember right.

[KristofferUmfrey]

Hello im new LDS. sorry my easy english.

Lehi was a jew. Jews celebrate saturday as seventh day. after lehi travelled to amerika it is very possible that his people continiued celebrate sabbat. so why there is no post in book mormon about sabbat and why do we celebrate sunday. do you have something to confute this?

sorry but my adventist friends gave me this question.

The question of the Sabbath say is not as easy as both Sunday and Saturday worshipers makes it out to be. In all likelihood it was a rotating Sabbath, meaning each year the Sabbath fell on a different day. This year it might be Sundays but next year it might be Thursdays.

The Book of Mormon only says they choose one day during the week to assemble themselves together. It's open to interpretation.

[Wingnut]

We know that Lehi's descendants observed the Law of Moses, until Jesus Christ came to visit them after his ascension to heaven. So yes, they probably would have observed the Sabbath on Saturday at that time.

There are many threads on this site already discussing the Sabbath, if you care to use the advanced search option.

We observe the Sabbath on the first day of the week because that is the day that Christ rose from the dead, and the Apostles began observing it on the first day at that time, so we continue that practice.

[KristofferUmfrey]

The question of the Sabbath say is not as easy as both Sunday and Saturday worshipers makes it out to be. In all likelihood it was a rotating Sabbath, meaning each year the Sabbath fell on a different day. This year it might be Sundays but next year it might be Thursdays.

The Book of Mormon only says they choose one day during the week to assemble themselves together. It's open to interpretation.

So you know I'm not blowing smoke...

4thcommandment

[realkruger]

thank you all for the good thoughts. its clearly now for me why we celebrate sunday,

from the perspective of the new gospel.

I need your help.

The point is, my adventist friends tap on the bible 1.john 3-6.

So at verse 6 it means: do what jesus did. (and jesus celebrateted the saturday).

but remember my question: did lehi´s people continue celebrate sabbath after the appearance of Jesus?

why allows god this difference of opinion. how thinks the Prophet about this?

it´s important for me because i dont want to be shown as a liar in the eyes of my friends.

thank you very much

Edited December 9, 2008 by realkruger

[realkruger]

There are many threads on this site already discussing the Sabbath, if you care to use the advanced search option.

i spend 15min in it without a answer

[FunkyTown]

The point is, my adventist friends tap on the bible 1.john 3-6.

So at verse 6 it means: do what jesus did. (and jesus celebrateted the saturday).

but remember my question: did lehi´s people continue celebrate sabbath after the appearance of Jesus?

why allows god this difference of opinion. how thinks the Prophet about this?

o.O Seriously? You aren't going to convince a 7th day adventist that celebrating the sabbath on Sunday is fine.

You could point out, "Oh ye hypocrites, who strain a gnat but swallow a camel." and point out that Jesus said there were things which weren't vital to salvation.

You could point out that 'Doing what Jesus did' does not refer to -everything- he did, but in his attitudes and actions. For instance, you could point out that it's not expected that they live 2000 years ago, die and are resurrected 32 years later or that they get crucified.

But you aren't going to convince a 7th day adventist of your viewpoint. Ever.

[MarginOfError]

The question of the Sabbath say is not as easy as both Sunday and Saturday worshipers makes it out to be. In all likelihood it was a rotating Sabbath, meaning each year the Sabbath fell on a different day. This year it might be Sundays but next year it might be Thursdays.

The Book of Mormon only says they choose one day during the week to assemble themselves together. It's open to interpretation.

That's an interesting analysis. Do you have sources on that?

And in case I'm still on Umfrey's block list, could someone inform him that I'm interested in where this rotating Sabbath comes from? Thanks.

Edited December 9, 2008 by MarginOfError

[KristofferUmfrey]

That's an interesting analysis. Do you have sources on that?

And in case I'm still on Umfrey's block list, could someone inform him that I'm interested in where this rotating Sabbath comes from? Thanks.

I honestly don't understand what you mean by sources, I'm sorry. The group that put it together uses scripture as their source, and remember that what is on that page is just a glimpse of an apparently much longer study of the subject. It might be best to e-mail them directly, I just recently stumbled across the subject about a month ago and am still investigating and learning about it.

[MarginOfError]

I honestly don't understand what you mean by sources, I'm sorry. The group that put it together uses scripture as their source, and remember that what is on that page is just a glimpse of an apparently much longer study of the subject. It might be best to e-mail them directly, I just recently stumbled across the subject about a month ago and am still investigating and learning about it.

My apologies. I completely missed that link. I'll read it over when I get a chance.

*Hanging my head in sheepish I-need-to-learn-to-read fashin*

Thanks

[Aesa]

Personally, I don't think the actual day matters.

Our calendars have changed since the time of Christ, and even more - I think what's important is just having a "7th day" out of each week to rest and praise God.

If there are times whent that cannot be Sunday, then make it any day possible.

It's about remembering God, worshipping Him (which is an everyday thing), fellowshipping with saints, etc,.

Does the Church teach these? I seem to remember a missionary saying it's not the day that's important but it's purpose.

[HiJolly]

Personally, I don't think the actual day matters.

Our calendars have changed since the time of Christ, and even more - I think what's important is just having a "7th day" out of each week to rest and praise God.

If there are times whent that cannot be Sunday, then make it any day possible.

It's about remembering God, worshipping Him (which is an everyday thing), fellowshipping with saints, etc,.

Does the Church teach these? I seem to remember a missionary saying it's not the day that's important but it's purpose.

The Church teaches:

Doctrine and Covenants 59

HiJolly

[Moksha]

The Church teaches:

Doctrine and Covenants 59

HiJolly

So we should offer our oblations and renewal of covenants during the Eucharist on the Lord's Day.

The Lord's Day, BTW was observed by many Christians after the Sabbath, even before it was ordered by Constantine to be held the same day as the celebration for Mithra the Sun God (Sol Invictus - on of course, Sundays).

[Elgama]

for me its simple Lehi was the prophet in 600 and odd BC, President Thomas S Monson is president and prophet in 2008, he says Sunday so the Lord wants us to celebrate on Sunday. Its why we have modern revelation to remove this kind of confusion

-Charley

[WillowTheWhisp]

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. I think if we get too dogmatic about the day we lose the spirit of the why.

[HiJolly]

So we should offer our oblations and renewal of covenants during the Eucharist on the Lord's Day.

The Lord's Day, BTW was observed by many Christians after the Sabbath, even before it was ordered by Constantine to be held the same day as the celebration for Mithra the Sun God (Sol Invictus - on of course, Sundays).

True, true... Nevertheless, I don't think the reason for this practice of the early saints is quite what you seem to be hinting at.

HiJolly