Marriages

[DisRuptive1]

Is there any way to be married that is only recognized by the church and not the state? So if a divorce were to happen, it would all take place within the church.

Another unrelated question: is it possible to put children up for adoption without the consent of the other parent who has no relation to the first parent?

[Traveler]

Originally posted by DisRuptive1@Nov 30 2004, 09:16 PM

Is there any way to be married that is only recognized by the church and not the state? So if a divorce were to happen, it would all take place within the church.

Another unrelated question: is it possible to put children up for adoption without the consent of the other parent who has no relation to the first parent?

First Question: The LDS church only recognizes legal and lawful marriages and requires people lilving together outside of legal marriage be married before becoming members

Second Question: I am not qualified to answer legal questions. It may depend on the State and country where you live.

The Traveler

[StrawberryFields]

Originally posted by DisRuptive1@Nov 30 2004, 10:16 PM

Is there any way to be married that is only recognized by the church and not the state?  So if a divorce were to happen, it would all take place within the church.

Somewhere along the line, I thought that you had a legal background...is that not true?

Anyway, if that were to happen, and the chose to get involved with legal matters, there would receive criticism about divorce issues.

[StrawberryFields]

Originally posted by DisRuptive1@Nov 30 2004, 10:16 PM

Another unrelated question: is it possible to put children up for adoption without the consent of the other parent who has no relation to the first parent?

I would certainly hope not.

The way I read this question is that the two parents are not married, and only one parent wants to give the child up for adoption. Does the one parent want to do this to avoid paying any support for this child?

[Jenda]

Originally posted by Strawberry Fields+Dec 1 2004, 07:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Strawberry Fields @ Dec 1 2004, 07:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--DisRuptive1@Nov 30 2004, 10:16 PM

Another unrelated question: is it possible to put children up for adoption without the consent of the other parent who has no relation to the first parent?

I would certainly hope not.

The way I read this question is that the two parents are not married, and only one parent wants to give the child up for adoption. Does the one parent want to do this to avoid paying any support for this child?

I kind of got the impression that the parents weren't married and the one parent had a new relationship going on and wanted the new wife/husband(?) to adopt the child.

But that was just my impression from the little bit of info he gave us.

[DisRuptive1]

Ok, assume the woman gets knocked up and decides to have the child. The father, in his right mind of course, leaves the mother but figures he might have to pay child support. Seeing as how the father has the potential to make it further in the work force and make more money, he can raise a case in a custody battle that shows he would be the better parent and possibly showing that the child couldn't have a supportive upbringing if he goes with the mother (due to the grand parents on the mother's side not being as supportive and caring of their daughter as compared to the parents of the father).

So can the father, assuming he wins custody of the child, put the child up for adoption (removing the child completely from his life) without the consent of the mother?

Also, at least in California, you can give up your child in any hospital for any reason and they will take care of all the legal work. This was done to prevent people from birthing live babies and then throwing them away in order to get away from the responsibility of raising a child. So if a man were to do this, could the mother regain custody of the child and go after child support from the father?

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As to my first question, I was wondering if someone could get married or sealed in the church that wouldn't be recognizable by the state. That way should a divorce happen, everything associated with the legal side of the divorce couldn't actually be forced upon both recipients paychecks and what not, in addition to the sueing and such that could happen also.

And does it take two people in order to have a divorce, or does it only require on person to go through a divorce and start up the settlement process of divying up everything?

[Faerie]

answer to your horrid hypothesis about a man taking custody away only to give the child up for adoption: no, that is not legally possible...a: good luck on getting full custody away from a woman in this country...to do so you have to prove her to be an unfit parent and other various sundry things...judges don't look at a support system, they look to see if that parent is abusive or not...b: in this situation you would have to have BOTH parents signatures on the adoption forms, having only 1 signature can legally be contested in court..that is how so many adoptions go wrong because the adoption agencies didn't get both signatures in the beginning...c: if you WERE to get full custody and you tried this stunt, be guaranteed that you will lose all custodial rights AND have to pay child support until that kid hits 18..

for the love of pete man, GET YOUR BOYS SNIPPED...please...if you are not willing to face the consequences of sex, either don't have it or become permanantly steralized...."in his right mind of course" MY LAWS MAN!!!

[StrawberryFields]

Ok, SF, Breathe in and breath out...........

Still trying to get the "quote" thing down right, Oh well. edit change.

[StrawberryFields]

Originally posted by DisRuptive1@Dec 2 2004, 01:42 AM

Ok, assume the woman gets knocked up and decides to have the child.  The father, in his right mind of course, leaves the mother but figures he might have to pay child support.  Seeing as how the father has the potential to make it further in the work force and make more money, he can raise a case in a custody battle that shows he would be the better parent and possibly showing that the child couldn't have a supportive upbringing if he goes with the mother (due to the grand parents on the mother's side not being as supportive and caring of their daughter as compared to the parents of the father).

So can the father, assuming he wins custody of the child, put the child up for adoption (removing the child completely from his life) without the consent of the mother?

Also, at least in California, you can give up your child in any hospital for any reason and they will take care of all the legal work.  This was done to prevent people from birthing live babies and then throwing them away in order to get away from the responsibility of raising a child.  So if a man were to do this, could the mother regain custody of the child and go after child support from the father?

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As to my first question, I was wondering if someone could get married or sealed in the church that wouldn't be recognizable by the state.  That way should a divorce happen, everything associated with the legal side of the divorce couldn't actually be forced upon both recipients paychecks and what not, in addition to the sueing and such that could happen also.

And does it take two people in order to have a divorce, or does it only require on person to go through a divorce and start up the settlement process of divying up everything?

My instincts were right.

Ok, assume the woman gets knocked up and decides to have the child.  The father, in his right mind of course, leaves the mother but figures he might have to pay child support. 

Firstly this unborn child is a child of God and this life is worth more then money. Secondly, this woman didn't just get "knocked up"...the father had equal part in it and that is why the laws protect the interest of this child.

Your foundation of money for the custody battle is not solid in the respect of providing for the child, the courts will decide who the child will be better off with. Your bitterness will not get you what you desire here. For the child, that is a blessing, children can not just be bought off and sold like that.

So can the father, assuming he wins custody of the child, put the child up for adoption (removing the child completely from his life) without the consent of the mother?

I don't think that under this pretence the father would ever win custody of this child. There are good honorable men, who have fought a good fight, and still the custody goes to the mother. This father needs a reality check and appears very immature to say the least. A scheme like this just in order to protect his money is uncomprehensionable to me. I would like to have just 10 minutes, face to face, with this father to be. I wonder if the supportive parents of this father know that money is the driving force of their son. If this was my son and he was to take on this scheme to rid himself of financial responsibility, I would be very disappointed and feel as if I had failed to teach my child something really important.

The answer to the married by the church question...NO, The church only performs marriages that are upheld by the state.

It takes two people to reach a settlement to have a divorce.

I will pray for the well being of this unborn child and for this father that he might become a father, and not just a bitter donor.

[Faerie]

and that he will get the snip-snip asap..

[Ray]

Originally posted by Strawberry Fields@ Dec 2 2004, 08:29 AM

I would like to have just 10 minutes, face to face, with this father to be.

Heh, would it take you that long to figure out that he was for real? Well, believe it or not, there are quite a few “strange” people in this world we live in, and many of them wouldn’t be phased in the least by anything you could say to them, no matter how you said it.

For someone like this it’s best just to pray for God to soften his heart and help him realize the type of person he really is, and that we all need God to help us become better people.

Without that realization, any amount of help you give to someone like this will be taken in the mindset of “what do I get out of it”, and if it’s not convertible to U.S. funds, he’s just not interested.

[StrawberryFields]

Originally posted by Ray+Dec 2 2004, 05:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ray @ Dec 2 2004, 05:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Strawberry Fields@ Dec 2 2004, 08:29 AM

I would like to have just 10 minutes, face to face, with this father to be.

Heh, would it take you that long to figure out that he was for real? Well, believe it or not, there are quite a few “strange” people in this world we live in, and many of them wouldn’t be phased in the least by anything you could say to them, no matter how you said it.

For someone like this it’s best just to pray for God to soften his heart and help him realize the type of person he really is, and that we all need God to help us become better people.

Without that realization, any amount of help you give to someone like this will be taken in the mindset of “what do I get out of it”, and if it’s not convertible to U.S. funds, he’s just not interested.

Ah, yeah, thanks Ray.....

I would still like the 10 minutes.

[Ray]

Originally posted by Strawberry Fields+Dec 2 2004, 05:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Strawberry Fields @ Dec 2 2004, 05:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -Ray@Dec 2 2004, 05:25 PM

<!--QuoteBegin--Strawberry Fields@ Dec 2 2004, 08:29 AM

I would like to have just 10 minutes, face to face, with this father to be.

Heh, would it take you that long to figure out that he was for real? Well, believe it or not, there are quite a few “strange” people in this world we live in, and many of them wouldn’t be phased in the least by anything you could say to them, no matter how you said it.

For someone like this it’s best just to pray for God to soften his heart and help him realize the type of person he really is, and that we all need God to help us become better people.

Without that realization, any amount of help you give to someone like this will be taken in the mindset of “what do I get out of it”, and if it’s not convertible to U.S. funds, he’s just not interested.

Ah, yeah, thanks Ray.....

I would still like the 10 minutes.

For what? ...if you don't mind me asking?

[Faerie]

chinese water torture?

[Jenda]

Originally posted by Faerie@Dec 2 2004, 07:07 PM

chinese water torture?

I am so glad your sense of humor is blossoming. You have kept me in stitches all day. B)

[Faerie]

it's the light at the end of the tunnel...i can see my old self shining through the murkiness of pregnancy and misery ROFLMAO

[StrawberryFields]

Originally posted by Ray+Dec 2 2004, 07:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ray @ Dec 2 2004, 07:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -Strawberry Fields@Dec 2 2004, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by -Ray@Dec 2 2004, 05:25 PM

<!--QuoteBegin--Strawberry Fields@ Dec 2 2004, 08:29 AM

I would like to have just 10 minutes, face to face, with this father to be.

Heh, would it take you that long to figure out that he was for real? Well, believe it or not, there are quite a few “strange” people in this world we live in, and many of them wouldn’t be phased in the least by anything you could say to them, no matter how you said it.

For someone like this it’s best just to pray for God to soften his heart and help him realize the type of person he really is, and that we all need God to help us become better people.

Without that realization, any amount of help you give to someone like this will be taken in the mindset of “what do I get out of it”, and if it’s not convertible to U.S. funds, he’s just not interested.

Ah, yeah, thanks Ray.....

I would still like the 10 minutes.

For what? ...if you don't mind me asking?

You mean you don't know? I thought you knew everything.

[Guest bizabra]

Originally posted by DisRuptive1@Nov 30 2004, 09:16 PM

Is there any way to be married that is only recognized by the church and not the state?  So if a divorce were to happen, it would all take place within the church.

Another unrelated question: is it possible to put children up for adoption without the consent of the other parent who has no relation to the first parent?

Sure, just don't apply for a marriage license, and find someone who will perform a ceremony for you. Gays 'marry" this way, no State involved in it! Or, just shack up for a few years and you will be "common-law" married. The number of years varies, but is usually about 7.

Can't help with the adoption thing.

P.S, I checked around and found this web page. Here ya go: http://www.unmarried.org/common-law-marriage.html

[Faerie]

yes, but that "marriage" will not be recognized by the church which is what he was asking...

[DisRuptive1]

And then there's always the divorce to deal with, should it happen.

[Cal]

Originally posted by bizabra+Dec 5 2004, 09:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bizabra @ Dec 5 2004, 09:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--DisRuptive1@Nov 30 2004, 09:16 PM

Is there any way to be married that is only recognized by the church and not the state?  So if a divorce were to happen, it would all take place within the church.

Another unrelated question: is it possible to put children up for adoption without the consent of the other parent who has no relation to the first parent?

Sure, just don't apply for a marriage license, and find someone who will perform a ceremony for you. Gays 'marry" this way, no State involved in it! Or, just shack up for a few years and you will be "common-law" married. The number of years varies, but is usually about 7.

Can't help with the adoption thing.

P.S, I checked around and found this web page. Here ya go: http://www.unmarried.org/common-law-marriage.html

FYI--California does not recognize anything called "common law" marriage.

[DisRuptive1]

Whether it can exist or not, it says that certain requirements must be met before the common law marriage can exist. That is that first the two must act like a married couple, calling each other husband and wife or something and make it known to others that they are in fact "married." Also, in the case of one spouse dieing, it helps if a contract is made that says that they would eventually get married so that the wife can get benefits from the husband's death.

[Cal]

Originally posted by DisRuptive1@Dec 12 2004, 03:02 AM

Whether it can exist or not, it says that certain requirements must be met before the common law marriage can exist. That is that first the two must act like a married couple, calling each other husband and wife or something and make it known to others that they are in fact "married." Also, in the case of one spouse dieing, it helps if a contract is made that says that they would eventually get married so that the wife can get benefits from the husband's death.

What you may be talking about, at least as to California law, is "Putative Marriage"--it is not "common law" marriage, and it involves the situation where one spouse, in "good faith" believes that they have a valid marriage, but really doesn't. In that situation, the agrieved "putative spouse" may have a claim on the property of the union.