Who can free a person from unclean spirits?

[Roland]

How is anyone's faith going to be sufficiently strong if they do not have the right to it?

I have a friend who came to our church several times. He is a Master of Reiki and

he helped many people to send their unclean spirits away. He was successful in

many cases. After I teached him about our gospel and helped him to understand

our relationship to our heavenly parents and the unclean spirits, he was successful

in every case. In his case i can confirm it´s a question of faith in Christ and charity.

[Roland]

I agree with you completely. But if I ever find one in

my house I'm running and calling the bishop

Yes! As the bishop has the gift of discerning of spirits he is the right person.

The question is how to find out that there is an unclean spirit. When a person

dosn´t realize this and the person dies - it may happen that the spirit even

after the death still has the unclean spirit within himself (integrated). This

person will not go to the paradise. The hidden unclean spirit urges to go into

another person. The result is a person with another spirit inside that has

another unclean spirit inside. You may know these russian matryoshka dolls.

It´s the same principle.

[WANDERER]

Roland...okay...it may be helpful to do so. All things are possible.

[Faded]

Remember that the oil is consecrated:

3. States that he is acting by the authority of the Melchizedek Priesthood.

4. Consecrates the oil (not the container) and sets it apart for anointing

and blessing the sick and afflicted.

As the oil is consecrated also for the afflicted it is the right for the spirits.

The number 1 thing that you bring to any circumstance where devils are cast out is FAITH. The words and the methods are not critically important by comparison. But the format of casting out evil spirits as taught in the temple should at least be acknowledged as the customary method. If consecrated oil works, I have no issue with that. My point is that we have been taught a different way specific to evil spirits.

Ultimately, in my life, I've learned to keep my mind open. Anytime that I decide in my mind that things must be just so, I end up running into an exception to the rule. If it works, it works. End of story.

[Traveler]

Curious traveler, who is the author of chaos?

Chaos has no author. Chaos is the condition of things not ordered and therefore cannot have an author because if something is acted upon or acts upon its self there would of necessity be order - however so primitive.

Sometimes we think that Satan brings chaos to G-d's order but that is a matter of confused semantics – in reality Satan imposes his order or G-d imposes his order; which, if one understand terms correctly, is the definition of agency - to act as directed by the principle of the agent.

The Traveler

[Traveler]

The freedom of choice is a fundamental and eternal thing. As mentioned above

many of us - who first chose God´s plan - came to earth and then chose the

products of darkness. In the same way fallen angels that first chose Lucifers

plan may - after thousands of years living in hell and under Lucifers iniquitous

domination - realize that their first decision was wrong and then turn to Christ.

I am not sure I follow your logic. How can a person make a choice not knowing the results. I do not believe that is a choice. If someone made a choice and later changed their mind which is the choice? How can we call something a choice when someone does not know what they are doing?

Only with knowledge can someone make a choice. If they lack some element that impacts the result then they really did not make a choice - what was necessary for a choice was not present and therefore there was not power (knowledge) granted sufficient for choice.

The Traveler

[Roland]

I am not sure I follow your logic. How can a person make a choice not

knowing the results. I do not believe that is a choice.

Hmm. Aren´t all choices difficult because you mostly don´t know what really comes out?

Bring shares the gain that i expect?

Does the job that I study really make fun? Many change during the study.

Buy a car and then find out it´s not working properly?

Make vacation in remote place and then have trouble with the language.

Many decision turn out later that the choice was not the best.

Sometimes things happen and you have no choice. A child can be born with

an unclean spirit inside. Due to the veil it discovers features in this new body

and has no clue that this "special feature (unclean spirit)" should not be there.

The child grows up and as long as the unclean spirit doesn´t make bad things

noone entertains suspection.

An example: If a male child is born with a female unclean spirit inside it may

be that this boy becomes homosexual because the preference of the unclean

spirit may have an influence. More if there are many unclean spirits involved.

The church is not against the people who are homosexual, but we are against

the unclean spirits that cause this - and we can help.

Edited March 22, 2009 by Roland

[Roland]

"Matthew 12:43-45 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh

through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will

return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he

findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with

himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in

and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first."

If you only cast out an unclean spirit, it may return and may take the next

opportunity when the relevant person has a weak situation. Therefore I ask

them to repent and go to Christ. Once they went to Christ They´ll never

return again. And this is not only for the unclean spirits it´s also for the

spirits of the deceased.

[Jim108]

Regardless of your thoughts, can we not agree that however what "tools" are used to clean the spirit the glory is always Gods. True? God Bless, Jim

[Roland]

....can we not agree that however what "tools" are used to clean

the spirit the glory is always Gods. True? God Bless, Jim.....

Sure - When we voted for the fathers plan of salavtion Jesus said that he

would bring the atonement by giving his life and the glory should be Gods.

Lucifer wanted to lead all of us back to our heavenly father and he claimed

the glory for himself.

That´s the reason why we all cose the fathers plan and all glory belongs to

him.