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  1. bytebear

    Progression between kingdoms?

    If you keep reliving the same life, and are never able to make the commitment to achieve Celestial worthiness, isn't it the same thing, whether it happens once or a thousand times, the outcome is the same.
  2. No, and sealings are not canceled either unless a new sealing is requested. The church always assumes things will work out, even when we mere mortals think otherwise. That's why we seal ancestors based on records and not on what we think they might want. Eventually it will be sorted out, but we want to ensure the blessings to as many as we can. Baptisms are only voided when you are excommunicated, which is a formal process. And then all church blessings are revoked. When restored, you are baptized again, and your other blessings and priesthood ordinations are restored. And remember, the weekly sacrament is a renewal of the covenant, so is a renewal of your baptism. Interesting, in the early days of the church, baptisms were redone commonly, as a renewal of the covenant. Sacrament seems far more convenient. Another interesting fact, when the church was created in 1830, baptism was already performed for the remission of sins, but those who joined the newly founded church were rebaptized as a covenant to Christ's church and received membership in the church through the laying on of hands.
  3. I always just think of "God" being a singular noun that represents a plurality. "Family" works the same way. There is a family, but the family has distinct persons with in it.
  4. By the way LDS scripture affirms the oneness of God, both in the Book of Mormon (Mormon 7:7, 2 Nephi 31:21) and the D&C 20:28.
  5. I think the pre-mortal existence is key to understanding the LDS belief. Man is immortal, both pre- and post- Earth. LDS also defines God not so much in terms of role, or power, but in nature. God is ever progressing and becoming more, through his creations (us). we are "gods" because we have the ability to progress and procreate and take part in the nature of what God is. And I never understood why the corporeal nature of the Father is so difficult. One Christian would mock Mormons for believing in a 2/3 God. And I would remind him that he believed in a 1/3 God, if he believes in the physical resurrection of Christ. So, for both of us, at least a portion of God is corporeal.
  6. Everything you described about the nature of the Godhead, I agree with. I think the difference is we accept that God the Father and Jesus are corporeal beings, although exalted and perfect. And the notion that God is of the same species as Man. The nature of the unity of the Godhead/Trinity is really not of a concern to me, because I think we basically agree, they are separate persons, but also unified beyond just a committee in a way we cannot comprehend.
  7. bytebear

    Necessary Thanksgiving Foods

    Turkey, stuffing, cranberries, rolls, some kind of jello salad, mashed potatoes and gravy, green beans, pumpkin pie.
  8. Say the couple is in the afterlife, and have been convinced of Christ's divinity, and are now awaiting their sealing blessing. Shall we deny them this, because we don't know their state? No, we must unlock the keys of exhalation to everyone we possibly can, and as soon as we can for their benefit. I also believe the spirits in prison have a much more clear understanding of things that we know.
  9. I would (and still occasionally) have Jehovah Witnesses come by as there is a church just up the road. One time they came with a message about Adam and Eve, and the creation story. I listened and we chatted about it quite a while, and I gave my understanding, which was of course the LDS viewpoint, and one woman was just fascinated by my understanding and interpretation. She asked "How did you figure all of this out?" and I said, "oh, I believe in modern day prophets who give more light to the topic."
  10. Thing is, LDS teachings are Biblical, and quite plain, if you understand them through modern revelation. The King Follett sermon is a prime example. The introduction to the sermon by Joseph Smith says: The teaching of Joseph Smith are as plain in the Bible as any traditional belief, if understood through revelation. Smith didn't teach three heavens from the Book of Mormon or the Doctrine and Covenants, but from 1 Corinthians 15, but with a revealed understanding. The nature of the spirit world is from 2 Peter. Eternal marriage and temple ordinances from Genesis, etc. etc. Some "plain and precious" truths were lost over time, but I believe Smith fully believed in the truthfulness of the Bible, and that our "odd" teachings are plainly taught there.
  11. I find it interesting that when you study the life and teachings of Joseph Smith, it's just much an understanding of existing scripture as it is a prophetic edict. Smith didn't declare heavenly parents. Rather, in his role as the prophet of the restoration was given knowledge that gave better understanding on phrases like "first born" and "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." I think for Smith, it was just obvious from not just a deeper understanding of Christ, but from interactions with Him, and angels, and revelations given. Some things are revealed in great detail in modern scripture, like the physical nature of the godhead, and others are simply understood.
  12. Here are some study links: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/tg/jesus-christ-firstborn?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/gs/firstborn?lang=eng In Christian circles, there are interpretations on what it means to be First Born. Apparently this pastor wants to make sure you understand that He is not a created being, and that the term is more symbolic of Him being the author of creation. https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_216.cfm But I guess I want to emphasize the notion of Christ being the firstborn is not foreign to Biblical scripture or doctrine.
  13. Joining the church is really making a covenant with God, that you will follow his commandments and in return he offers the gift of the Holy Ghost, and a path to more blessings. Basically this gift and your friend's commitment to the Gospel of Jesus Christ is what sets them apart. You recognize it, and the missionaries will tell you the steps you would need to take to make the covenant, and join the church.
  14. When I was on my mission, we were teaching a family and the father asked about having to stop drinking beer. He said he didn't drink it often and he didn't have an addiction, nor was he an alcoholic. I said, "Yes, that's probably true, but you will be a role model for your children, and you don't know if they will end up struggling with it." It was one of those moments when I know the Holy Ghost was prompting me to say what he needed to hear. They were baptized a week later.
  15. Don't you know, the Salt Lake Temple construction is to add booster rockets so it will be launched to heaven.