pam Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 How does gambling, "make other people lose"? Thank you for your input.Regards,Kawazu Let's say we are in a poker game. The bet for that hand is $100. You put your $100 in and I put my $100 in. You have the better hand. I lose my $100. Therefore you win and I lose. That's gambling. Quote
Kawazu Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 Let's say we are in a poker game. The bet for that hand is $100. You put your $100 in and I put my $100 in. You have the better hand. I lose my $100. Therefore you win and I lose. That's gambling.I agree. In the example, though, you entered the game knowing that you could lose your money. We both agreed to this premise before playing. Quote
pam Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 Don't you do that with any gambling though? Making a bet on horses, pulling the handle on a slot machine, playing poker, buying a lottery ticket are all done with the chance you will lose your money. Quote
Kawazu Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 Don't you do that with any gambling though? Making a bet on horses, pulling the handle on a slot machine, playing poker, buying a lottery ticket are all done with the chance you will lose your money.Yes. One could spend $100 on Britney Spears tickets or horse races. Either way, it's entertainment. Quote
Maxel Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 Yes. One could spend $100 on Britney Spears tickets or horse races. Either way, it's entertainment.See, this post has my hands tied. I so want to say that the gambling is dishonest, destructive entertainment- but so is a Britney Spears concert. Quote
Kawazu Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 See, this post has my hands tied. I so want to say that the gambling is dishonest, destructive entertainment- but so is a Britney Spears concert.Truly. I would contend that the horseraces are more honest because it is generally assumed that your chances of success are slim, especially if you're a person who knows nothing about horses.With the Britney Spears concert, I imagine there are subtle promotions of vanity and music which advertises less than the best facets of society. Quote
john doe Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 Yes. One could spend $100 on Britney Spears tickets or horse races. Either way, it's entertainment. For many people, yes, that's true. I've been known to go to Vegas and drop $40-$50 in a day. It was all in fun, and when my limit was hit, I stopped. The problem is for those who can't practice self-control. People have been known to blow their life savings in a few minutes on the prospect of beating the odds and winning enough to retire on. Quote
pam Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 Yes. One could spend $100 on Britney Spears tickets or horse races. Either way, it's entertainment. Except I would not find a Britney Spears concert entertaining in any way. Quote
Kawazu Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 For many people, yes, that's true. I've been known to go to Vegas and drop $40-$50 in a day. It was all in fun, and when my limit was hit, I stopped. The problem is for those who can't practice self-control. People have been known to blow their life savings in a few minutes on the prospect of beating the odds and winning enough to retire on.To play the role of contrarian--People have been known to throw down $300 for exceptionally geared characters in the online game, "World of Warcraft". These players may then invest countless life hours vanquishing virtual villains, to the point of neglecting responsibilities. Is World of Warcraft ill-advised for everyone?Thank you for your time and consideration. Quote
pam Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 Perhaps a quote from Elder Bednar's talk given just last night would answer part of that."Please be careful of becoming so immersed and engrossed in pixels, texting, ear buds, Twittering, online social networking, and potentially addictive uses of media and the Internet that you fail to recognize the importance of your physical body and miss the richness of person-to-person communication. Beware of the digital displays and data in many forms of computer-mediated interaction that can displace the full range of physical capacity and experience." Quote
pam Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 Though we are getting off topic a bit. The OP was about horse racing. Quote
Kawazu Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 Perhaps a quote from Elder Bednar's talk given just last night would answer part of that.By extension, Warcraft and horseraces are okay in moderation? Quote
pam Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 But then we are back to whether it is okay to bet on horses or not. I feel like we're going in circles. Kind of like a horse race. Quote
Maxel Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 (edited) Truly. I would contend that the horseraces are more honest because it is generally assumed that your chances of success are slim, especially if you're a person who knows nothing about horses. I agree with you here.To play the role of contrarian--People have been known to throw down $300 for exceptionally geared characters in the online game, "World of Warcraft". These players may then invest countless life hours vanquishing virtual villains, to the point of neglecting responsibilities. Is World of Warcraft ill-advised for everyone? Yes. Yes it is. It sucks time and energy from a person and gives no real remuneration. I speak from experience- I threw hundreds of hours of my life (and about $150) into the black hole that is World of Warcraft. It's a worthless, time-wasting pastime that sucks people of many different backgrounds and personalities into its vortex of doom. Any supposed benefit from playing would be better derived from another source.I feel that gambling is wrong because it works in a similar fashion as mindless video games- takes time and money from the consumer while offering no substantial product or service. Both survive because of the "thrill" that is felt while engaging in the activity. Edited May 5, 2009 by Maxel Quote
Moksha Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 . ...These horses love to race so is their running/racing wrong and if it is then football, basketball, etc..etc.. should be wrong... for the gambling part Couldn't these horses run for the zen-like experience of the wind whipping by their ears? Must they run only for the money? What is this country coming to? Quote
Kawazu Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 I agree with you here. Yes. Yes it is. It sucks time and energy from a person and gives no real remuneration. I speak from experience- I threw hundreds of hours of my life (and about $150) into the black hole that is World of Warcraft. It's a worthless, time-wasting pastime that sucks people of many different backgrounds and personalities into its vortex of doom. Any supposed benefit from playing would be better derived from another source.I feel the same way about the idea of watching sports. Anyway, you bet Warcraft is a time killer, (but I do it anyway). Anything is better than Freecell.Getting back on topic, I guess the question is, will attending horseraces deny an LDS person access to a temple recommend? Quote
Kawazu Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 "Attending" a horserace? No."Attending" a horserace for which you were equitably offered a reward, in exchange for the name of the winning horse? Quote
pam Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 The way I see it..if you are going strictly to watch a beautiful animal racing for the pure joy of seeing it..there is nothing wrong with it. However, if you are going and placing bets with the hope that you will come away with more money..that is betting and has been warned about from our Church leaders. Quote
Kawazu Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 (edited) The way I see it..if you are going strictly to watch a beautiful animal racing for the pure joy of seeing it..there is nothing wrong with it. However, if you are going and placing bets with the hope that you will come away with more money..that is betting and has been warned about from our Church leaders.Fair enough; I wonder if we have addressed the original poster's concerns?The responses have been worth reading.Cheers,Kawazu Edited May 5, 2009 by Kawazu Quote
pam Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 And here I thought you've been yanking my chain. Are you related to Snow? hahahaha Quote
Kawazu Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 (edited) And here I thought you've been yanking my chain. Are you related to Snow? hahahaha:)Cordial disagreement forges pathways to learning, especially in an online forum--as opposed to Church--where one might be embarrassed to explore contrary views. Edited May 5, 2009 by Kawazu Quote
hordak Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 I gamble every once in a while, knowing full well it is entertainment and chances are i will lose most the time. I don't feel bad when i lose because i go to Indian casinos and given what happen i really can't complain about losing $50. There are many who need that money to live and it is more fun then sending a check to the tribe council. Quote
Palerider Posted May 5, 2009 Report Posted May 5, 2009 As I said in the 3rd post on this thread...read the talk....LDS.org - Ensign Article - Gambling Quote
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