Cherubim, Intelligences, & the Sacrament

[TheAngelPalmoni]

The Angels

Here I have added the drawing which connects the roles of the Cherubim with Justice and Mercy in relation to the sacrament and the Ministering of Angels. Crazy, well it all works!

I would really like to know what you all think!?

Angel Palmoni

Thank you!

[Traveler]

The Angels

Here I have added the drawing which connects the roles of the Cherubim with Justice and Mercy in relation to the sacrament and the Ministering of Angels. Crazy, well it all works!

I would really like to know what you all think!?

Angel Palmoni

Thank you!

The Cherubim come in pairs not 4 and Satan is revealed in scripture as one cherub. (See Ezekiel 28:14-16) There are a few things of interest to note: In verse 14 Satan is identified as the anointed cherub. In Hebrew the term anointed means Messiah.

The reference to Satan as a cherub that covereth is also interesting because the only cherubim that cover are placed at the “Mercy Seat” in the temple. One on the right of G-d and one on the left. It is from this scripture that scholars get the notion that Satan is at the left hand of G-d. We learn from Stephen in Acts that Jesus is at the right hand of G-d – a place reserved in scripture for a cherub. We also find Jesus fulfilling all the symbols of a cherub as “The keeper of the way to the garden of G-d and the tree of life” and as the only other one identified in scripture with a sword and fire as part of keep “the way”.

The concept that a cherub is an angel is not anywhere in any scripture I know of but is a doctrine that was introduced into Christianity during the “Dark Ages”.

The Traveler

[TheAngelPalmoni]

Cherubim and a Flaming Sword?

[TheAngelPalmoni]

If you have another opportunity to check out my drawings you will see that These are only 2 of the four cherubims. You will also see and understand more about how and why these conclusions are drawn. I would ask you to check it out again here:

As you can see I have a put in a great deal of work into the research of the Cherubim and Seraphim, the 7 angels, you have to go through it though...

Edited May 5, 2009 by TheAngelPalmoni

[hordak]

The Angels

Here I have added the drawing which connects the roles of the Cherubim with Justice and Mercy in relation to the sacrament and the Ministering of Angels. Crazy, well it all works!

I would really like to know what you all think!?

Angel Palmoni

Thank you!

I think you need to upgrade the site. I have seen you mention this site a few times around the web, but I can never read it, due to the format/tiny print. Since you are getting responses apparently some people can read it, so how about instructions for the less computer savy?

[TheAngelPalmoni]

EVEN www.angelpalmoni.com

[Traveler]

Cherubim and a Flaming Sword?

Do a word search on scriptures concerning a sword associated with flame or fire and tell me what you come up with. So where in the way to the garden and the tree of life does one encounter the symbols of a sword and fire or flame?

Also you have not answered the scripture that tells us that Satan is one of the cherubim and that the title of Messiah is associated with the symbolism of cherub.

I am sorry – but having looked at your web site I find no scriptural reference to link Cherubim to the 4 horsemen. Also I do not see any scriptural reference that designates that a Cherub is an angel. Please post to where you obtained the notion (reference) that a Cherub is an angel. Is this an assumption? My research on the term Cherub is that it is a Greek word that was used during the time of Jesus by his Apostles because there was no translation for the Hebrew term. Paul tells us that the full scope and meaning of Cherub was unknown at his time but that it would be revealed at a later time. (Perhaps in the dispensation of the fullness of times?)

The Traveler

[mikbone]

I am also having alot of difficulty with your website.

The images appear to be well drawn and colorful, but with the size and resolution I have a very difficult time reading the words. You also have so many "scrolls" that I wouldn't know where to start.

Perhaps if you were to pick a single scroll and post some scriptures or church doctrine supporting your position we could have a discussion???

[TheAngelPalmoni]

Satan was one of the Cherubim before he fell

[Traveler]

Satan was one of the Cherubim before he fell

And what of his title of anointed or messiah? And the cherub that opposes him at the judgement that the scriptures identify as his brother?

The Traveler

[TheAngelPalmoni]

Yes, even now he can be considered the Protector of the Kingdom of God. Lets all be honest he keeps all the evil people out of heaven hahaha.

That being said how do you want me to link Cherubim to angels....?

[TeancumsSword]

I have to throw in with the rest... I really want to read your site, but the format size makes it difficult. See if you can do something.

[Traveler]

I have to throw in with the rest... I really want to read your site, but the format size makes it difficult. See if you can do something.

I am not sure it is just his site - I am having difficulity understanding anything he posts as well. It is as though the most important part is missing.

The Traveler

[TheAngelPalmoni]

Are you reading the satanic bible, that sounds backwards?

[TheAngelPalmoni]

I apologize for the inconvenience of not being able to read the site. What I have found is if you download the entire picture then you can read it. Just on the site it's self you can't read them, I have not been able to fix that... but there is a link on the top right of each drawing when you are viewing them that says download...

web.me.com/angelpalmoni

Is just the regular text on the website to small to see as well?

I can read it at my work, and My father can read them as well. It works on all the computers that I have been on... you just have to be able to download them to actually view the drawings... Annoying I know but it helps with download times on the site....

~Angel Palmoni~

[TheAngelPalmoni]

I am not sure it is just his site - I am having difficulity understanding anything he posts as well. It is as though the most important part is missing.

The Traveler

My mother says the same thing, interesting...

[Hemidakota]

Dito - I can't read the words on the picts. Would love to read it all though.

" These Archangels are Adam who is Michael, Moroni who is Uriel (also called Phanuel), Moses who is Raphael, and Noah who is Gabriel."

I had heard of Adam and Noah, not of Moroni or Moses although those could work.

I like pondering symbolism of what is contained in the Holy of Holies in the temple (including cherubim)

3 objects in the arc represenintg 3 members of Godhead whom we find in the Holy of Holies

"3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat;

(New Testament | Hebrews 9:3 - 5)

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*golden censer, - represents Holy Spirit?

" Censer. A metal vessel made to receive burning charcoal from the altar, and in which incense was sprinkled by a priest (Lev. 16:12; Num. 4:14; 1 Kgs. 7:50; 2 Chr. 26:18–19; Ezek. 8:11; Luke 1:9; Rev. 8:3–4).

(Bible Dictionary | C Censer:Entry)

12 And he shall take a censer full of burning coals of fire from off the altar before the LORD

(Old Testament | Leviticus 16:12)

45 And behold, the Holy Spirit of God did come down from heaven, and did enter into their hearts, and they were filled as if with fire, and they could bspeak forth marvelous words.

(Book of Mormon | Helaman 5:45)

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*ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold

golden pot that had manna represents Jesus """bread from heaven"" (Ps. 78:24–25; John 6:31). It was a symbol for Christ, who would be the Bread of Life (John 6:31–35).

(Guide to the Scriptures | M Manna.:Entry)

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Aaron's rod that budded represents Heavenly Mother

"13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

14 For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold.

15 She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.

16 Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand ariches and honour.

17 Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace.

18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.

(Old Testament | Proverbs 3:13 - 18)

Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life (she is veild from us)

(Old Testament | Genesis 3:24) - (budding rod under cherubims in the Holy of Holies sounds like the tree of life in Eden that was guarded by cherubim)

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tables of the covenant; represent God

"13 the law by which all things are governed, even the power of God ...

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 88:13)

14 Justice and judgment are the habitation of thy throne: mercy and truth shall go before thy face.

(Old Testament | Psalms 89:14)

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cherubims of glory " Cherubim (see also BD Cherubim)

Gen. 3:24 (Alma 12:21–29; 42:2–3; Moses 4:31) placed ... C., and a flaming sword

Ex. 25:18 (37:6–9) make two c. of gold

Ex. 26:1 make the tabernacle ... with c. of cunning work

Num. 7:89 heard the voice ... between the two c.

1 Sam. 4:4 (2 Sam. 6:2; Ps. 80:1; 99:1; Isa. 37:16) Lord ... dwelleth between the c.

2 Sam. 22:11 he rode upon a c., and did fly

1 Kgs. 6:23 he made two c. of olive tree

1 Kgs. 8:7 (2 Chr. 5:8; Ezek. 10:19) c. spread forth their two wings

2 Chr. 3:10 in the most holy house he made two c. of image work

Ezek. 9:3 glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the c.

Ezek. 28:14 Thou art the anointed c. that covereth

Heb. 9:5 c. of glory shadowing the mercyseat

See also 2 Ne. 16:2; D&C 38:1; 109:79.

(Topical Guide | C Cherubim:Entry)

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the mercyseat "Mercy seat. The golden covering of the Ark of the Covenant in the Holy of Holies. It was the place of the manifestation of God's glory and his meeting place with his people (Ex. 25:22; Lev. 16:2; Num. 7:89); and was regarded as the Throne of God (1 Sam. 4:4; cf. Ex. 30:6; Num. 7:89). Here the blood of the sin offering was sprinkled on the day of Atonement (Lev. 16:14–15). See Tabernacle.

(Bible Dictionary | M Mercy seat:Entry)

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The four mentioned are Adam, Noah, Enoch, and Moses

[deseretgov]

It would seem this model would eliminate the possibilty of other significant angels. What I mean is that how do we know significant angels are limited to those in the Bible and Book of Mormon. Couldn't it also be possible that one of these cherubims(or whatever the proper terminology is) comes from an ancient people that Christ visited and had disciples. We know Christ visited other people than in Jerusalem and the Americas. What if he visited, say, the African continent and spread the gospel to inhabitants there. He established a church and one of these people was a great man that became a cherubim. We just don't have those records yet.

[Justice]

We tend to operate in the comfortable confines of what we know. :)

[Hemidakota]

It would seem this model would eliminate the possibilty of other significant angels. What I mean is that how do we know significant angels are limited to those in the Bible and Book of Mormon. Couldn't it also be possible that one of these cherubims(or whatever the proper terminology is) comes from an ancient people that Christ visited and had disciples. We know Christ visited other people than in Jerusalem and the Americas. What if he visited, say, the African continent and spread the gospel to inhabitants there. He established a church and one of these people was a great man that became a cherubim. We just don't have those records yet.

If you are referring my correction, it was referring in correcting the Seven Archangel names. Even Joseph Smith is seen by John as an angel in the Book of Revelation [where it is mentioned of the one who foot rested on both continents and declare the gospel to the world].

[Hemidakota]

Something I failed to mentioned, attending my home ward Gospel Doctrine, I was floored when I heard the statement, "We cannot in this life know our pre-mortal state and may wait until we cross the veil for the answer." This is bad assumption made by the teacher and not doctrinal correct. If we choose and have a desire to know our pre-mortal state, over time, GOD can provide the answer. As one who follows the Master, line-upon-line, precept-upon-precept, we are taught until we reach the fullness. It is then the light given...

I was asked to talk in the High Priest quorum and while lecturing, I made it known; I was surprised that the High Priest who did attend that meeting failed to correct this statement. I consider her a worthy teacher and who lives down the street from my residence, it is matter of applying oneself as the Master did and others who did the same in finding the answer. Now, it maybe a shocker when you finally receive it, who you really are... :)

Edited May 26, 2009 by Hemidakota

[TheAngelPalmoni]

YOu have to download the drawings....

That being said I've added a new section to my website and I'm adding Quotes on Intelligences and Scriptures on Intelligences. I just started it and I could use some more sources.

[TheAngelPalmoni]

I wonder if we can remember our existences as intelligences through the last plans of salvation lol. I'm sure that would be a shocker.

[Hemidakota]

Angel, do you have the link again...I thought I saved last time. Thanks again for the exhausting effort in producing such drawings.

Asking the age old question of the principle of progression, it would place us back in the last kingdom of animals. Right?

[TheAngelPalmoni]

web.me.com/angelpalmoni

I've added a section specifically on intelligences