When did the ban on Blacks holding the Priesthood start

[Maxel]

Biblical scholars estimate there were as many or more people on the earth at the time of the flood as there are now.

I've heard that, too. That's not important to my original point, though- let me restate and clarify.

The purpose of this last dispensation is for the Church to go forward and fill the whole earth with the Gospel. I'm sure the Lord knows the timetable on which He wants that to happen- perhaps, because of the hardness of men's hearts, the Church would meet too much ideological opposition and have too many roadblocks to grow in the manner and at the speed at which the Lord desired. More practically, it could be that good people who would have accepted the Gospel would have rejected it in hearing that negroes held the priesthood and participated as fully as the white men. Unfortunately, unhealthy social stigmas affected even the best of people at that time.

Just one theory; I don't particularly believe that's the main reason for the ban.

[Guest Believer_1829]

I've heard that, too. That's not important to my original point, though- let me restate and clarify.

The purpose of this last dispensation is for the Church to go forward and fill the whole earth with the Gospel. I'm sure the Lord knows the timetable on which He wants that to happen- perhaps, because of the hardness of men's hearts, the Church would meet too much ideological opposition and have too many roadblocks to grow in the manner and at the speed at which the Lord desired. More practically, it could be that good people who would have accepted the Gospel would have rejected it in hearing that negroes held the priesthood and participated as fully as the white men. Unfortunately, unhealthy social stigmas affected even the best of people at that time.

Just one theory; I don't particularly believe that's the main reason for the ban.

So he denied the blessing of the Temple to a whole race because the church wouldn't grow fast enough?

Random Question: Before the ban could a black sister be sealed to a white brother in marriage?

[Maxel]

So he denied the blessing of the Temple to a whole race because the church wouldn't grow fast enough?

The Lord has done other things that don't make sense to a fallen people before. What exactly was the purpose for restricting the Aaronic priesthood to the Levites? As I stated earlier, though, I don't think it's the main reason the Lord would let the priesthood ban exist.

[Guest Believer_1829]

The Priesthood was NOT strictly prohibited to the Levites (see the Book of Mormon).

[Maxel]

The Priesthood was NOT strictly prohibited to the Levites (see the Book of Mormon).

The Aaronic Priesthood was among the Nephites?

[Guest Believer_1829]

The Aaronic Priesthood was among the Nephites?

Who offered sacrifices?

Were sacrifices offered according the the Law of Moses amoung the Nephites?

Were there Teachers and Priests amoung the Nephites?

[Maxel]

Who offered sacrifices?

Were sacrifices offered according the the Law of Moses amoung the Nephites?

Were there Teachers and Priests amoung the Nephites?

Good points. However, didn't the Mosaic Law itself require priests to be Levites (I'm no expert on any scriptural topic)?

[Guest Believer_1829]

Good points. However, didn't the Mosaic Law itself require priests to be Levites (I'm no expert on any scriptural topic)?

Perhaps.

All I know is the Priesthood was amoung the Nephites, and as far as we know no Levites were with them. And the Book of Mormon is true.

[Maxel]

Perhaps.

All I know is the Priesthood was amoung the Nephites, and as far as we know no Levites were with them. And the Book of Mormon is true.

I always assumed it was the Melchezidek Priesthood, which encompasses the Aaronic and one holding the Melchezidek has all the rights to do what one with the Aaronic can.

[Guest Believer_1829]

I always assumed it was the Melchezidek Priesthood, which encompasses the Aaronic and one holding the Melchezidek has all the rights to do what one with the Aaronic can.

Could be.

The Book of Mormon doesn't mention two Priesthoods. There is mention of Teachers and Priests in the Book of Mormon though, which is considered part of the Aaronic Priesthood, at least now days.

[Snow]

Biblical scholars estimate there were as many or more people on the earth at the time of the flood as there are now.

Think about that oxymoron for a moment: equating someone who thinks that the earth's population at the time of the flood equals today's population with a "scholar."

The world is full of nuts - there are also people who believe that bigfoots make crop circles into the likeness of Elvis.

[Moksha]

Let's be careful what we say about temple ordinances.

So can we still mention the nude clogging and the 'Dance of the Lava Lamp'?

[Moksha]

Random Question: Before the ban could a black sister be sealed to a white brother in marriage?

No. However, Jane Elizabeth Manning James was specially allowed to be sealed to Joseph Smith as a servant.

[rameumptom]

Fine, you are right, God didn't give Blacks the Priesthood because He wasn't powerful enough to keep the church from destruction.

Was God powerful enough to keep the Church from being expelled from Missouri, almost overcome in Utah due to polygamy - where Pres Woodruff saw that the Church would be destroyed if they didn't end it, or for the original apostles to prevent the Great Apostasy?

God allows things to happen, to ensure agency. Is he powerful enough to stop it? Yes, he could have wiped out the entire non-LDS population in the United States at any time, and left just the Mormons. But he didn't, did he?

[rameumptom]

Think about that oxymoron for a moment: equating someone who thinks that the earth's population at the time of the flood equals today's population with a "scholar."

The world is full of nuts - there are also people who believe that bigfoots make crop circles into the likeness of Elvis.

You are wrong. They don't make them in the likeness of Elvis, otherwise they wouldn't be "circles" now, would they? However, the scholars have found some Nazca lines in his likeness....

[beefche]

So can we still mention the nude clogging and the 'Dance of the Lava Lamp'?

No, we cannot. We don't want people to know EVERYTHING.

[Guest Believer_1829]

Think about that oxymoron for a moment: equating someone who thinks that the earth's population at the time of the flood equals today's population with a "scholar."

The world is full of nuts - there are also people who believe that bigfoots make crop circles into the likeness of Elvis.

Did you review the links I offered up, or do I need to repost them?

[Snow]

Did you review the links I offered up, or do I need to repost them?

Here's the problem Believer, regardless of any links you post, people, in general, are not complete idiots, so attempts to post nonsense as if they were, is useless.

So somebody named Tom can create a model that multiplies one number by another number and then another until poof, presto-digo-chango, we have 10 billion.

So what.

What, Believer, is the EVIDENCE that there were billions and billions of people on earth at the time of the flood?

Answer: Zero + Zero x Zero = ?

[Snow]

You are wrong. They don't make them in the likeness of Elvis, otherwise they wouldn't be "circles" now, would they? However, the scholars have found some Nazca lines in his likeness....

Apologies. I must have been thinking of Yeti.

Nasca lines? Chariots of the Gods anyone?

[Guest Believer_1829]

Here's the problem Believer, regardless of any links you post, people, in general, are not complete idiots, so attempts to post nonsense as if they were, is useless.

So somebody named Tom can create a model that multiplies one number by another number and then another until poof, presto-digo-chango, we have 10 billion.

So what.

What, Believer, is the EVIDENCE that there were billions and billions of people on earth at the time of the flood?

Answer: Zero + Zero x Zero = ?

Well, a huge flood did bury everything under water for a year and huge earthquakes rocked the world enough to divide the land mass into current continents after that. But since you obviously posses such superior powers of intellect, my idiotic ramblings must be burdensome to your soul.

[Snow]

Well, a huge flood did bury everything under water for a year and huge earthquakes rocked the world enough to divide the land mass into current continents after that. But since you obviously posses such superior powers of intellect, my idiotic ramblings must be burdensome to your soul.

Oh - a huge flood buried everything for a year?

Did God then magically hide all the evidence? You do understand that there is zero evidence for what you describe (worldwide flood, everything covered, year), don't you? You also understand that such a flood would leave evidence don't you?

Why do you think there is no such evidence?

Oh - and news flash: the continents separated hundreds of millions of years ago, not 5000 years ago.

[Guest Believer_1829]

Oh - a huge flood buried everything for a year?

Did God then magically hide all the evidence? You do understand that there is zero evidence for what you describe (worldwide flood, everything covered, year), don't you? You also understand that such a flood would leave evidence don't you?

Why do you think there is no such evidence?

Oh - and news flash: the continents separated hundreds of millions of years ago, not 5000 years ago.

So you don't believe in the Biblical account of the Flood (which is confirmed by the Book of Mormon) or of the land dividing in Peleg's day. Well, then a conversation with you would be a waste of my time then, I'm glad you cleared that up.

[bmy-]

Don't waste your time Snow. Believer will counter logic with illogic and think the argument has been won.

[Snow]

So you don't believe in the Biblical account of the Flood (which is confirmed by the Book of Mormon) or of the land dividing in Peleg's day. Well, then a conversation with you would be a waste of my time then, I'm glad you cleared that up.

Believer,

"Faith" is s belief in things that are not seen, but true.

A belief that the lands separated 5000 years ago instead if 250 million years ago is NOT faith, it's just a wrong idea stuck in you head.

Do you really believe that it happened 5k years ago or are you just trying to see how gullible others are?

[Snow]

Don't waste your time Snow. Believer will counter logic with illogic and think the argument has been won.

I assume that Believer is LDS?

As LDS members I think we all share a commitment to truth so one would hope that he/she would eventually come around.