Hemidakota Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 BYU professor discusses the doctrine of hellBy Christine RappleyeMormon TimesMonday, Aug. 24, 2009ARTICLE EXCERPT: PROVO, Utah -- Hell isn't necessarily the fearsome, dark place that some think it is. Then there are others who don't think it should be studied at all."There is a strong feeling that the devil and hell are allegorical and don't feel have a place in theology," said Lawrence R. Flake, a professor of church history and doctrine, at Education Week on Friday, Aug. 21.Even within the doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints there are several misconceptions."We oversimplify the doctrine of hell," Flake said. "The doctrine is quite inspirational."ARTICLE LINK: MormonTimes - BYU professor discusses the doctrine of hell Quote
Moksha Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 BYU professor discusses the doctrine of hellBy Christine RappleyeMormon TimesMonday, Aug. 24, 2009"There is a strong feeling that the devil and hell are allegorical and don't feel have a place in theology," said Lawrence R. Flake, a professor of church history and doctrine, at Education Week on Friday, Aug. 21. Makes sense. Hope he is not disciplined for saying this out loud. Quote
Vort Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 Makes sense. Hope he is not disciplined for saying this out loud.Why would a professor be "disciplined" for stating a societal observation?Did you even read the article? Quote
Maxel Posted August 24, 2009 Report Posted August 24, 2009 (edited) Why would a professor be "disciplined" for stating a societal observation?Did you even read the article?Because the professor is talking about academic theological stuff!!!! He's going to be excommunicated like the September 6!!!! The Church is a corrupt conglomerate bent on suppressing truth and love!!!! And other such buffet-Mormon tripe!!![/irony] Edited August 24, 2009 by Maxel Clarification of the ironic intention of this post Quote
Hemidakota Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Posted August 24, 2009 Don't get me started with Nelson excommunication now.... Quote
bmy- Posted August 25, 2009 Report Posted August 25, 2009 Then, that's where the sons of perdition go and not Satan, but Cain will rule, because he has a resurrected body, Flake added.I was not aware of this. I always thought 'outer darkness' was an oblivion like state. Hemi.. can you elaborate for me? I do like the idea of 'Outer Darkness' essentially being 'paradise lost'. Quote
Elohel Posted August 25, 2009 Report Posted August 25, 2009 Sounds like the idea of 'Outer Darkness' is an antithesis of the 'Celestial Kingdom' to Flake. Rings fairly true to me, although may be a little shaky on the hard evidence. Interesting thoughts. Flake has always been a favorite of mine, he did a talk on Joseph Smith's poem to William Phelps called 'Vade Mecum' that I thoroughly enjoy. Fun to think about, but not pertinent to my salvation. Quote
Maxel Posted August 25, 2009 Report Posted August 25, 2009 I was not aware of this. I always thought 'outer darkness' was an oblivion like state. Hemi.. can you elaborate for me? I do like the idea of 'Outer Darkness' essentially being 'paradise lost'.I've heard that before- that Cain will rule over Satan in Outer Darkness because Cain has a body. I don't remember where I got it from, though- I think from listening to a roundtable of BYU professors discussing the Pearl of Great Price...?I also want to hear Hemi's ideas on this. Quote
Justice Posted August 25, 2009 Report Posted August 25, 2009 From Hugh Nibley:Having been instructed by an angel of the Lord, Adam and Eve enjoyed a fulness of the gospel, “and they made all things known unto their sons and their daughters.” (See Moses 5:1–12.) Enter Satan, the negative one, with his nongospel: “Believe it not!” and his counter-gospel: “I am also a son of God.” (Moses 5:13.) He gains a following by pushing downhill, in the direction of what is “carnal, sensual, and devilish.” (Moses 5:13.) This called for much preaching of repentance (Moses 5:14–15), as Adam and Eve remained true and faithful, and “ceased not to call upon God” (Moses 5:16). Into this world Cain was born, who rejected his parents’ teachings as irrational—“Who is the Lord that I should know him?” (Moses 5:16.) The Lord gave Cain every chance to be wise and save himself, showing him in all reasonableness the dangerous course he was taking, and warning him that he would be in Satan’s power to the degree that he refused obedience: “And thou shalt rule over him.” (Moses 5:23; see also Gen. 4:7.) Cain rule over Satan? Yes, that is the arrangement—the devil serves his client, gratifies his slightest whim, pampers his appetites, and is at his beck and call throughout his earthly life, putting unlimited power and influence at his disposal through his command of the treasures of the earth, gold and silver. But in exchange the victim must keep his part of the agreement, following Satan’s instructions on earth and remaining in his power hereafter. That is the classic bargain, the pact with the Devil, by which a Faust, Don Juan, Macbeth, or Jabez Stone achieve the pinnacle of earthly success and the depths of eternal damnation.Entire (long) article:LDS.org - Ensign Article - A Strange Thing in the Land: The Return of the Book of Enoch, Part 8Nothing really specific about the afterlife. Quote
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