Too late for Obama to turn it around?


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I'm a constitutionalist; Obama is a Marxist. And I'm not crazy. 'Nuf said.

Oddly enough, that assertion does not hold water in court. In order to prove Obama is not a citizen you need to show proof that he was born elsewhere than the US and that he never gained citizenship. The fact that he is a Marxist does not automatically make him a non-citizen of the US, there are lots of them here. Even his recently departed 'green jobs Czar' was an avowed Communist, but I believe he is still a citizen.

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I don't think if it were proven that Obama's not a natural-born citizen of the U.S. it will matter. Those in power don't seek to honor the Constituion anyway, and any kind of grass-roots effort to impeach him won't get anywhere because of organized media opposition.

Obama's in it for the long haul- and where he's taking us is not a happy place. He's in, though- the American people chose flattering words over substantive principles, and now we're paying the price.

The good news is that Obama's popularity has plummeted, which means that those who oppose him are in the majority. :)

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The good news is that Obama's popularity has plummeted, which means that those who oppose him are in the majority. :)

That's a good point. I am worried, however, about disasters (either natural disasters or man-made disasters) forcing the American people to rely on the government currently in place.

Or we could always see another group of people who have been engineering a socialist takeover of the country for years play their hand and get one of their ilk elected. I don't know- there are so many diverse ways that Satan can influence the people...

Which makes me glad that I have the Gospel and the Church to rely on.

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That's a good point. I am worried, however, about disasters (either natural disasters or man-made disasters) forcing the American people to rely on the government currently in place.

Or we could always see another group of people who have been engineering a socialist takeover of the country for years play their hand and get one of their ilk elected. I don't know- there are so many diverse ways that Satan can influence the people...

Which makes me glad that I have the Gospel and the Church to rely on.

Indeed! We really don't know how all of this is going to play out. However, as a member of the Church, I have faith in prophecy. I know that the Constitution will not be destroyed. That doesn't mean we won't have hardships to endure in the meantime. But isn't it comforting to know that in the end we win? :)

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i typed constitution elders of israel.

There were ten pages of misc references with a scattering of references to the US Constitution. Of these one had reference to the elders of israel saving the constitution. This reference was an Ensign topic refering to this subject.

The author referenced several different accounts of the White Horse Prophecy and later writings concerning it.

Of these one said that IF it were to be saved it would be by the elders of Israel. This was an entry of a man who later in his life told what Joseph Smith had told him. The rest say he said it would be but ALL are sometime later. There is no direct quote from Joseph Smith at the time he was supposed to have said this.

This 'prophecy' has been called into question over and over.

Apparently we need another source GrandmaAri.

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i typed constitution elders of israel.

There were ten pages of misc references with a scattering of references to the US Constitution. Of these one had reference to the elders of israel saving the constitution. This reference was an Ensign topic refering to this subject.

The author referenced several different accounts of the White Horse Prophecy and later writings concerning it.

Of these one said that IF it were to be saved it would be by the elders of Israel. This was an entry of a man who later in his life told what Joseph Smith had told him. The rest say he said it would be but ALL are sometime later. There is no direct quote from Joseph Smith at the time he was supposed to have said this.

This 'prophecy' has been called into question over and over.

Apparently we need another source GrandmaAri.

Did you check out Ezra Taft Benson?

"The Prophet Joseph Smith declared it will be the elders of Israel who will step forward to help save the Constitution, not the Church."

- Ezra Taft Benson

Address delivered on April 5, 1965, at the general conference of

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the Tabernacle, Salt Lake City, Utah.

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Agreed. They can (and do!) thrive outside of the political sphere.

Your point?

Or we could always see another group of people who have been engineering a socialist takeover of the country for years play their hand and get one of their ilk elected. I don't know- there are so many diverse ways that Satan can influence the people...

Which makes me glad that I have the Gospel and the Church to rely on.

When you said that about the Church and Gospel reliance as being your alternative to people you disagree with politically being influenced by Satan, my point was that the Gospel and Church really exist outside of partisan politics and demonizing others. They are not a refuge for partisan politics or demonization.

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Actually he apparently took the later writers at their word that Joseph Smith said that as I wrote above. The White Horse Prophecy is not doctrine. Yes he may have said it. We just dont have enough evidence of exactly what he did say. If and will are two meaning changing words. Which if any Joseph said we just don't know.

I believe the words of the prophet...reiterated by Ezra Taft Benson...just as I believe the teachings of Jesus as per the New Testament.

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