john doe Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 I'm a constitutionalist; Obama is a Marxist. And I'm not crazy. 'Nuf said. Oddly enough, that assertion does not hold water in court. In order to prove Obama is not a citizen you need to show proof that he was born elsewhere than the US and that he never gained citizenship. The fact that he is a Marxist does not automatically make him a non-citizen of the US, there are lots of them here. Even his recently departed 'green jobs Czar' was an avowed Communist, but I believe he is still a citizen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilered Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Well, alrighty then. That about settles it. Consesus is that Obama will not be removed because of the birth certificate question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsAri Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 I don't think if it were proven that Obama's not a natural-born citizen of the U.S. it will matter. Those in power don't seek to honor the Constituion anyway, and any kind of grass-roots effort to impeach him won't get anywhere because of organized media opposition.Obama's in it for the long haul- and where he's taking us is not a happy place. He's in, though- the American people chose flattering words over substantive principles, and now we're paying the price.The good news is that Obama's popularity has plummeted, which means that those who oppose him are in the majority. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxel Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 The good news is that Obama's popularity has plummeted, which means that those who oppose him are in the majority. :)That's a good point. I am worried, however, about disasters (either natural disasters or man-made disasters) forcing the American people to rely on the government currently in place.Or we could always see another group of people who have been engineering a socialist takeover of the country for years play their hand and get one of their ilk elected. I don't know- there are so many diverse ways that Satan can influence the people...Which makes me glad that I have the Gospel and the Church to rely on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsAri Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 (edited) That's a good point. I am worried, however, about disasters (either natural disasters or man-made disasters) forcing the American people to rely on the government currently in place.Or we could always see another group of people who have been engineering a socialist takeover of the country for years play their hand and get one of their ilk elected. I don't know- there are so many diverse ways that Satan can influence the people...Which makes me glad that I have the Gospel and the Church to rely on.Indeed! We really don't know how all of this is going to play out. However, as a member of the Church, I have faith in prophecy. I know that the Constitution will not be destroyed. That doesn't mean we won't have hardships to endure in the meantime. But isn't it comforting to know that in the end we win? :) Edited September 11, 2009 by GrandmaAri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moksha Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Which makes me glad that I have the Gospel and the Church to rely on. Both of which can exist outside of politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsAri Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 A question: Was the war in heaven a political battle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxel Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Both of which can exist outside of politics.Agreed. They can (and do!) thrive outside of the political sphere.Your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisyn Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 My gosh, President Obama was a socialist, then a communist (yes they are very different), and now he's the anti-christ. Where does he find the time to burn children in the White House bball court? Or has he appointed a commie czar for that too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsAri Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Communism...socialism...the welfare state...the results are the same. It's freedom vs slavery. And yes, Obama supports abortion. Thankfully, one of his commie czars just stepped down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytebear Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 My gosh, President Obama was a socialist, then a communist (yes they are very different), and now he's the anti-christ. Where does he find the time to burn children in the White House bball court? Or has he appointed a commie czar for that too?Evil very rarely is so obtuse. But Obama is moreso than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annewandering Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 You know, I know of the "Constitution will Hang by a Thread" so called prophecy but I don't know the one where the constitution will survive for sure. You have a source for that? Or is that just another of those faith promoting rumors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsAri Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 The Elders of Israel will save the Constitution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annewandering Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Book of GrandmaAri Chapter 1 vs. 1. The Elders of Israel will save the Constitution. Got another source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsAri Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Book of GrandmaAri Chapter 1 vs. 1. The Elders of Israel will save the Constitution.Got another source?Is there something amiss with the chapter and verse I quoted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annewandering Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Well I admit I dont have that doctrinal book at hand. When was it made scripture? Just for my information since I missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsAri Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Well I admit I dont have that doctrinal book at hand. When was it made scripture? Just for my information since I missed it.lds.org is a good place to start your research. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annewandering Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Nope they dont have that book there either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsAri Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Nope they dont have that book there either.In lds.org, type "elders of Israel" in search...or try, "constitution"...see what you can find! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annewandering Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 i typed constitution elders of israel. There were ten pages of misc references with a scattering of references to the US Constitution. Of these one had reference to the elders of israel saving the constitution. This reference was an Ensign topic refering to this subject. The author referenced several different accounts of the White Horse Prophecy and later writings concerning it. Of these one said that IF it were to be saved it would be by the elders of Israel. This was an entry of a man who later in his life told what Joseph Smith had told him. The rest say he said it would be but ALL are sometime later. There is no direct quote from Joseph Smith at the time he was supposed to have said this. This 'prophecy' has been called into question over and over. Apparently we need another source GrandmaAri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annewandering Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Oh and that does not say it would be saved to the end. Just that it might be saved. Several prophets have said that it has already been saved many times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsAri Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 (edited) i typed constitution elders of israel. There were ten pages of misc references with a scattering of references to the US Constitution. Of these one had reference to the elders of israel saving the constitution. This reference was an Ensign topic refering to this subject. The author referenced several different accounts of the White Horse Prophecy and later writings concerning it. Of these one said that IF it were to be saved it would be by the elders of Israel. This was an entry of a man who later in his life told what Joseph Smith had told him. The rest say he said it would be but ALL are sometime later. There is no direct quote from Joseph Smith at the time he was supposed to have said this. This 'prophecy' has been called into question over and over. Apparently we need another source GrandmaAri.Did you check out Ezra Taft Benson?"The Prophet Joseph Smith declared it will be the elders of Israel who will step forward to help save the Constitution, not the Church."- Ezra Taft BensonAddress delivered on April 5, 1965, at the general conference of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the Tabernacle, Salt Lake City, Utah. Edited September 12, 2009 by GrandmaAri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moksha Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Agreed. They can (and do!) thrive outside of the political sphere.Your point? Or we could always see another group of people who have been engineering a socialist takeover of the country for years play their hand and get one of their ilk elected. I don't know- there are so many diverse ways that Satan can influence the people...Which makes me glad that I have the Gospel and the Church to rely on. When you said that about the Church and Gospel reliance as being your alternative to people you disagree with politically being influenced by Satan, my point was that the Gospel and Church really exist outside of partisan politics and demonizing others. They are not a refuge for partisan politics or demonization.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annewandering Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Actually he apparently took the later writers at their word that Joseph Smith said that as I wrote above. The White Horse Prophecy is not doctrine. Yes he may have said it. We just dont have enough evidence of exactly what he did say. If and will are two meaning changing words. Which if any Joseph said we just don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsAri Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Actually he apparently took the later writers at their word that Joseph Smith said that as I wrote above. The White Horse Prophecy is not doctrine. Yes he may have said it. We just dont have enough evidence of exactly what he did say. If and will are two meaning changing words. Which if any Joseph said we just don't know.I believe the words of the prophet...reiterated by Ezra Taft Benson...just as I believe the teachings of Jesus as per the New Testament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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