what are the odds?

[Guest mysticmorini]

a twenty-two year old man who has not and is not going on a mission, goes into his bishop for a temple recommend for his own endowments, what are his odds that the bishop will allow this? assume the man is in good standing with the church, in the military, college graduate, and not getting married anytime soon.

[marts1]

I would think so.

[Dravin]

I know back when I was planning on joining the military instead of going on a mission my Bishop stressed becoming an Elder before I left. I don't know if he (personally) had endowment in his plans, I changed mine and went on a mission.

[john doe]

50/50. Either he will, or he won't.

[tubaloth]

I assume the man has already talked with the bishop about why he didn't go on a mission or knows of the reasons. If so the chances are pretty high.

Even then explaining the reasons, being prepaired to hear some advice on why going on a mission would be good. Can get through and start the temple reccoment process. I don't think for anybody its one time interview when you are taking out your endowments.

[Justice]

I would say the chances aren't very high. There's no hard rule, as has been mentioned, but certain indicators in one's life help determine worthiness, or perhaps more propely put, readiness.

I'd say it entirely depends on you.

[Guest mysticmorini]

50/50. Either he will, or he won't.

thats a very safe position to take.

[Guest mysticmorini]

I would say the chances aren't very high. There's no hard rule, as has been mentioned, but certain indicators in one's life help determine worthiness, or perhaps more propely put, readiness.

I'd say it entirely depends on you.

other than not serving a mission, what about the above situation would indicate unworthiness or unpreparedness? or is that the only factor?

[Snow]

what are the odds?

a twenty-two year old man who has not and is not going on a mission, goes into his bishop for a temple recommend for his own endowments, what are his odds that the bishop will allow this? assume the man is in good standing with the church, in the military, college graduate, and not getting married anytime soon.

Historically the odds have consistently hovered around 29-32%, at least from the mid 1880s up through the spring of 2007. Lately, however, we've seen a movement in the odds to about 37 %. While the reason is unclear, some experts have attributed the rise to a corresponding increase in atmospheric HCFCs.

[Guest mysticmorini]

Historically the odds have consistently hovered around 29-32%, at least from the mid 1880s up through the spring of 2007. Lately, however, we've seen a movement in the odds to about 37 %. While the reason is unclear, some experts have attributed the rise to a corresponding increase in atmospheric HCFCs.

hilarious

[Justice]

other than not serving a mission, what about the above situation would indicate unworthiness or unpreparedness? or is that the only factor?

That's like saying "other than the fact I painted it red, what don't you like about the color?"

Not really, but kinda. That's an inside joke.

To answer your question, I have no idea. I think the reason you choose not to serve a mission is the issue. I can only guess that this decision will affect other areas of your life as well. To be blunt, it has to.

So, that's why I threw in it's up to you.

Just something to think about.

[marts1]

Too many unknown's here, a huge one being how was or is his family life.

[confuzzled]

With the temple endowment come great knowledge................also a great responsiblity. Also the Bishop will have the assistance of his office and keys and of course the Holy Ghost.

[Guest mysticmorini]

Too many unknown's here, a huge one being how was or is his family life.

interesting, why would the family life of a single member effect whether or not they were worthy/prepared/ready to receive temple blessings?

[Guest mysticmorini]

That's like saying "other than the fact I painted it red, what don't you like about the color?"

Not really, but kinda. That's an inside joke.

To answer your question, I have no idea. I think the reason you choose not to serve a mission is the issue. I can only guess that this decision will affect other areas of your life as well. To be blunt, it has to.

So, that's why I threw in it's up to you.

Just something to think about.

why would deciding not to sever a mission "have to" affect other areas of ones life other than whether or not they went? obviously you must go to the temple before you serve a mission so what makes the difference between going to the temple before going on a mission and going with no plans of a mission? does someone's intent to go on a mission make that big of an impact on one's worthiness? I'm not trying to be contentious just trying to understand your reasoning.

[john doe]

Because the counsel has been for every worthy young man to prepare to go on a mission. If the young man was worthy and had the financial means, yet still chose to not go on a mission, That would be something to discuss. It makes one wonder if the person is ready to take on the greater responsibilities of life and the eternities and follow the counsel of the Lord's Anointed now.

[Guest mysticmorini]

Because the counsel has been for every worthy young man to prepare to go on a mission. If the young man was worthy and had the financial means, yet still chose to not go on a mission, That would be something to discuss. It makes one wonder if the person is ready to take on the greater responsibilities of life and the eternities and follow the counsel of the Lord's Anointed now.

that would be the one sticking point that i forgot to mention then, after talking to this young man, he has a large amount of student loans on top of his military obligations, apparently he was inactive when he started college but has since been active for at least two years anyway. not sure if that makes a difference.

[marts1]

interesting, why would the family life of a single member effect whether or not they were worthy/prepared/ready to receive temple blessings?

There would be less accountability being raised in a questionable envirnment. Maybe a singe parent or abuse.

[Moksha]

While the reason is unclear, some experts have attributed the rise to a corresponding increase in atmospheric HCFCs.

Despite any atmospheric rise, it is important that it not be related to global warming, to which denial must be maintained.

Does any reluctance to allow endowments vanish at some later age?

[Drac]

"Now the Church wants to show as much honor to you brethren going into the military service as we show to men going on a mission. It is a different kind of mission, but yet you can accomplish many of the same things that proselyting missionaries do. Even greater honor is yours because you are willing to risk your lives, if necessary, in doing this work. But in risking your life, know always that God will be by your side if only you will serve Him."

-Mark E. Petersen

I'm pretty sure that the church likes most worthy male members of the church that are serving in the military to have the Melchizidek priesthood; especially in times of war.

Edited February 15, 2010 by Drac

[Guest mysticmorini]

"Now the Church wants to show as much honor to you brethren going into the military service as we show to men going on a mission. It is a different kind of mission, but yet you can accomplish many of the same things that proselyting missionaries do. Even greater honor is yours because you are willing to risk your lives, if necessary, in doing this work. But in risking your life, know always that God will be by your side if only you will serve Him."

-Mark E. Petersen

I'm pretty sure that the church likes most worthy male members of the church that are serving in the military to have the Melchizidek priesthood; especially in times of war.

thats an awesome quote, I know the CHI says that "before brethren 18 or older leave home for reasons such as school, military or employment, they should be ordained elders if worthy." especially in the case of military service shouldn't this also be extended to receiving temple ordinances?

[Drac]

thats an awesome quote, I know the CHI says that "before brethren 18 or older leave home for reasons such as school, military or employment, they should be ordained elders if worthy." especially in the case of military service shouldn't this also be extended to receiving temple ordinances?

I would think most definitely. Especially for the protection and blessings of the temple garment. I know I wouldn't want to be in battle without my garments.

I sometimes get frustrated with the mindset that I see quite often among church members that military service is a bad thing; or that a member in the military is not living according to God's will. It is clear from the scriptures and from the teachings of the general authorities that military service is a very noble undertaking in serving man and God. Very many church leaders served in the military; and many prophets were also generals.

That quote is from this talk: Elder Mark E. Petersen, "The Church and America," Apr. 1970 It is an awesome talk.

Edited February 15, 2010 by Drac

[JudoMinja]

The endowment is just one more layer of responsibility- "unto whom much is given much is required". All outside matters forgotten, what really counts is whether the individual is worthy and ready. Who can tell when someone is worthy and ready? Only the Lord. Every person is unique, and we can't know their hearts. The Lord does. This is why, when going into an interview, those deciding whether or not to extend the recommend MUST rely on the spirit.

My brother received the Melchezidek priesthood when he graduated high school. He then decided he didn't want to go on a mission, but join the military. Before going to basic training, he attempted to get his recommend for his endowment. He was told in his interview that he wasn't ready and needed to reach a higher level of maturity. At the time, there was no outside evidence as to where his heart truly stood. Since then, he has committed several greivous sins that have resulted in him being excommunicated.

There is no given when seeking your endowment. Just suggest to this young man that if he feels he is worthy and ready to go ahead and request an interview. The spirit will determine whether this is so, or if he has more to do in aligning himself with the Lord.

[MarginOfError]

a twenty-two year old man who has not and is not going on a mission, goes into his bishop for a temple recommend for his own endowments, what are his odds that the bishop will allow this? assume the man is in good standing with the church, in the military, college graduate, and not getting married anytime soon.

50/50. Either he will, or he won't.

Surprisingly, that's technically incorrect. The probability that this man in question will be given the recommend is either 0 or 1. He is one instance and cannot receive a partial recommend.

Now, if 100 men in an identical situation were to interview for a recommend, we could state something about the probability. But in one instance, we have no way of knowing what will happen.

[Honor]

Surprisingly, that's technically incorrect. The probability that this man in question will be given the recommend is either 0 or 1. He is one instance and cannot receive a partial recommend.

Now, if 100 men in an identical situation were to interview for a recommend, we could state something about the probability. But in one instance, we have no way of knowing what will happen.