WestBoro Baptist To Protest At A Funeral Of 7 Children!!

[Carl62]

Three days ago, a horrific fire broke out at a farmhouse in Blain, Pa. killing seven out of the families eight children (age ranges from 6 months to 11 years). The Red Cross as well as neighbors and people from all over are responding to help, along with many financial donations pouring in. As sad as this all is, we just heard on the news tonight that the Westboro Baptist people are going to be protesting at these kids' funeral!! What the heck did these beautiful children ever do to have the likes of this group after them?! People are in an absolute furor over this with counterprotests already being organized. This is a small town with very proud, redneck people who will NOT take any guff off of anybody, especially from the likes of these dirtbags. I've got a feeling this will be hitting the national news very soon. Please pray for this family that they will get past this and be able to get their life back together. They don't need the headaches of these people coming in and making the memorial of their children even worse.

Edited March 12, 2011 by Carl62

[slamjet]

I saw a TV show about them. The whole bunch of them are narcissistic and the old man who runs the "church" is whacked out of his mind. The kids are all brainwashed and they have not a whole lot moral wise other than being haters of anyone who is not them. They even showed the school age kids have no one to play with in school. Because nobody likes them. It's like they live for the "persecution."

They don't even pass the laugh test.

Yea, I judged them, because their fruits absolutely stink.

[KelliC]

This makes me so sad. I will keep the families of those children in my prayers.

Kelli

[mightynancy]

They need counterintelligence. They ought to publicly plan the funeral for, say, Monday, but hold it on Saturday.

Stinkin' Westboro. Why do they do what they do? There are no words.

[slamjet]

Stinkin' Westboro. Why do they do what they do? There are no words.

My opinion is there is two reasons:

1) Being a church, they, their family, and their homes can be considered a religion by the IRS and get HUGE tax breaks. In their TV show, they have their operation spread out over all their homes which are all next to each other.

2) They love the attention.

[Wingnut]

2) They love the attention.

Ergo, by very virtue of having this thread, they win.

[slamjet]

ergo, by very virtue of having this thread, they win.

doh!

[Elphaba]

People are in an absolute furor over this with counterprotests already being organized.

I am profoundly moved by how, wherever these vile people plan their vile protests, American citizens gather together to protect the funeral attendess from having to listen to their obscenities. I think it demonstrates how, in the midst of cruelty, there are so very many kind people among us.

Elphaba

[Carl62]

Ergo, by very virtue of having this thread, they win.

How do you figure? The more that people are made aware of this, the bigger the counter-protests will become. There are lots of people that still don't even know about these people. So what are we supposed to do, just not say anything and let these people go about disrupting funerals without any consequences? THAT is what will allow these people to feel victorious! If people stand together, they can eventually put an end to garbage like this. Their group is not growing, yet the counter-protests are. As one fired up lady said last night on the local news

, "they just picked the wrong area to be starting this kind of s**t". Over 900 people are expected to be at this protest.

[Soulsearcher]

How do you figure? The more that people are made aware of this, the bigger the counter-protests will become. There are lots of people that still don't even know about these people. So what are we supposed to do, just not say anything and let these people go about disrupting funerals without any consequences? THAT is what will allow these people to feel victorious! If people stand together, they can eventually put an end to garbage like this. Their group is not growing, yet the counter-protests are. As one fired up lady said last night on the local news

, "they just picked the wrong area to be starting this kind of s**t". Over 900 people are expected to be at this protest.

The basic idea is the louder the outcry, the more people who hear it, the further their message spreads. Doesn't even matter if people agree with what they are saying, their message has been spread. People who didn't know who they were now know and have figured out what their message is. They use shock and awe tactics for this very reason, so people will learn about them and help elevate awareness about them. Every time you spread the word about them in any way you've become their missionary, even if you are just putting them down, because they are not looking to convert to their church, just to raise awareness and hope people might change their ways.

[Carl62]

How do you figure? The more that people are made aware of this, the bigger the counter-protests will become. There are lots of people that still don't even know about these people. So what are we supposed to do, just not say anything and let these people go about disrupting funerals without any consequences? THAT is what will allow these people to feel victorious! If people stand together, they can eventually put an end to garbage like this. Their group is not growing, yet the counter-protests are. As one fired up lady said last night on the local news

The basic idea is the louder the outcry, the more people who hear it, the further their message spreads. Doesn't even matter if people agree with what they are saying, their message has been spread. People who didn't know who they were now know and have figured out what their message is. They use shock and awe tactics for this very reason, so people will learn about them and help elevate awareness about them. Every time you spread the word about them in any way you've become their missionary, even if you are just putting them down, because they are not looking to convert to their church, just to raise awareness and hope people might change their ways.

O.K. so we're making people aware of who they are and what their message is. Big deal. The media has already been doing that for years. The next step is to now squash the scum back into the hole from where they came from so that their message will never be heard from again and guess what, it just may be working in this case. Just this morning my girlfriend heard on the news that there is a chance that the WBC may be backing out after hearing of the number of people who will be getting involved with this protest, which include a number of motorcycle gangs. Once these people see that not only will their message not be tolerated, and that we will forcefully, yet lawfully, do everything we can to prevent it from spreading, then they will eventually tire of going to areas where the resistance will be practically unbearable for them to handle, which hopefully will be everywhere. The to the WBC it will be, message over.:)

[Soulsearcher]

O.K. so we're making people aware of who they are and what their message is. Big deal. The media has already been doing that for years. The next step is to now squash the scum back into the hole from where they came from so that their message will never be heard from again and guess what, it just may be working in this case. Just this morning my girlfriend heard on the news that there is a chance that the WBC may be backing out after hearing of the number of people who will be getting involved with this protest, which include a number of motorcycle gangs. Once these people see that not only will their message not be tolerated, and that we will forcefully, yet lawfully, do everything we can to prevent it from spreading, then they will eventually tire of going to areas where the resistance will be practically unbearable for them to handle, which hopefully will be everywhere. The to the WBC it will be, message over.:)

Except you miss the fact that while you don't like tactics, their message isn't too far from what many christians including LDS are also saying. They've just upped the ante a lil bit in how they spread it. Make sure you understand their message before you say it won't be tolerated being it's not fully against what a lot of people already believe, it's just being taken to an extreme.

[bytor2112]

Except you miss the fact that while you don't like tactics, their message isn't too far from what many christians including LDS are also saying. They've just upped the ante a lil bit in how they spread it. Make sure you understand their message before you say it won't be tolerated being it's not fully against what a lot of people already believe, it's just being taken to an extreme.

?????I think our message is quite a distance from "God hates F_ _ _"....no?

[Soulsearcher]

?????I think our message is quite a distance from "God hates F_ _ _"....no?

Their actual message is acceptance of homosexuals will bring down society and it's already happening. Now if you go through and look at the discussions on this site about gay marriage you'll see most posters against it using the " it will damage society" argument. Same logic and argument just not as extreme. Again they use extreme tactics and wording to say very similar sentiments that most mainstream churches have said or have used money to endorse.

[bytor2112]

Their actual message is acceptance of homosexuals will bring down society and it's already happening. Now if you go through and look at the discussions on this site about gay marriage you'll see most posters against it using the " it will damage society" argument. Same logic and argument just not as extreme. Again they use extreme tactics and wording to say very similar sentiments that most mainstream churches have said or have used money to endorse.

Acceptance of homosexuals = world destruction is a bit different thatn accepting homosexual marriage. I undeerstand where you are coming from, but throwing us in the same bucket with West borough is not apples to apples.

Edited March 13, 2011 by bytor2112

[Dravin]

Acceptance of homosexuals = world destruction is a bit different thatn accepting homosexual marriage. I undeerstand where you are coming from, but throwing us in the same bucket with West borough is not apples to apples.

I think his intent was not to say we are from the same tree but that main opposition to their message comes in the presentation. If instead they limited their message to the pulpit, ignoring the fact that probably nobody would know about them except locals, we'd be less "We will not tolerate their message!" and more "They need to dial things back and show more love, but they have a right to speak their beliefs."

Basically people are reacting more strongly to how they say what they do rather than just that they hold the position that they do, and I can't disagree with that. And honestly, the distinction between the end of America and the downfall of the family and society is one of degrees not type.

Edit: I meant to say not from the same tree. Correcting that may change Soul's following summation of my accuracy.

Edited March 13, 2011 by Dravin

[Soulsearcher]

Acceptance of homosexuals = world destruction is a bit different thatn accepting homosexual marriage. I undeerstand where you are coming from, but throwing us in the same bucket with West borough is not apples to apples.

Actually from the majority of Christians rejecting homosexual marriage is "any acceptance of them in general" leads to the down fall of society. I've even seen it said on here that any move to see gays as equal even just in a legal sense is leading to the downfall of society, and on other christian forums i've seen a vast number blame the entire state of the world on homosexuals( i'm flattered by the way :) ). The only difference i see is how the message is spread but the message tends to be very similar a lot of the time. You have to remember the churches put a lot of money into saying just how much damage gays getting married would do to all of society, not just the traditional family, during prop 8, like it or not it's the same message "gay is bad" just a different way of trying to spread it to the masses.

Dravin seems to put it quite well in his response. lol or not after his edit , lol i do agree with the second part though lol

Edited March 13, 2011 by Soulsearcher

[carlimac]

Actually from the majority of Christians rejecting homosexual marriage is "any acceptance of them in general" leads to the down fall of society.

You have to remember the churches put a lot of money into saying just how much damage gays getting married would do to all of society, not just the traditional family, during prop 8, like it or not it's the same message "gay is bad" just a different way of trying to spread it to the masses.

Soul- you've got it wrong. Typical of a lot of gays who comment on forums and news articles and blogs (and please notice I didn't say every gay person on the earth), you are using sweeping generalizations that fuel the fire for your own cause. Where do you get from the LDS church that "any acceptance of them (gays) in general leads to the down fall of society?" And "gay is bad"? Those are extreme and false generalizations. To say things like this is to slap Christians in the face. (OK you can slap the Westboros- they are just nuts. And I'd bet most people recognize them as being off their rockers and don't give their message much thought. Their volume is drowning out their message anyway. They are like mosquitoes needing to be zapped with bug spray. A huge annoyance!!)

Once again...The LDS church as well as many other Christian churches see and accept gays as people with goodness and talents and the ability to love and be Christlike. The church accepts and loves them as human beings and as children of our Father in Heaven who is the Father of us all. He loves gays just as much as He loves any of His children. We all commit sins, we are all a little "off" in some way or another. Even President Monson has his faults and weaknesses. Some of us have bigger, more challenging issues than others. Our responsibility on this earth is to learn to overcome our issues, to become master over our "natural" instincts, to repent and to try to become more like our Father in Heaven. It's the same for everyone on this earth regardless of gender, race or sexual orientation. According to the gospel of Jesus Christ, gay behavior is bad. Gay people are not necessarily "bad".

Will you please give us a little more credit?

[Soulsearcher]

Soul- you've got it wrong. Typical of a lot of gays who comment on forums and news articles and blogs (and please notice I didn't say every gay person on the earth), you are using sweeping generalizations that fuel the fire for your own cause. Where do you get from the LDS church that "any acceptance of them (gays) in general leads to the down fall of society?" And "gay is bad"? Those are extreme and false generalizations. To say things like this is to slap Christians in the face. (OK you can slap the Westboros- they are just nuts. And I'd bet most people recognize them as being off their rockers and don't give their message much thought. Their volume is drowning out their message anyway. They are like mosquitoes needing to be zapped with bug spray. A huge annoyance!!)

Once again...The LDS church as well as many other Christian churches see and accept gays as people with goodness and talents and the ability to love and be Christlike. The church accepts and loves them as human beings and as children of our Father in Heaven who is the Father of us all. He loves gays just as much as He loves any of His children. We all commit sins, we are all a little "off" in some way or another. Even President Monson has his faults and weaknesses. Some of us have bigger, more challenging issues than others. Our responsibility on this earth is to learn to overcome our issues, to become master over our "natural" instincts, to repent and to try to become more like our Father in Heaven. It's the same for everyone on this earth regardless of gender, race or sexual orientation. According to the gospel of Jesus Christ, gay behavior is bad. Gay people are not necessarily "bad".

Will you please give us a little more credit?

lol k I'll fix the statement

Gays are not bad as long as we remain single, alone and with out all human contact and expressions of attraction and romantic love :)

Yes god loves us, his followers though need a few lessons in how to treat people now and then, not all of them, but a good number fail in this area. As for a slap in the face try telling a person they have to be alone for the rest of their life or they will be a bad person.

As for sweeping generalizations, when the majority I'm in contact with don't act like i state, I'll stop using the examples. I get the " "any acceptance of them (gays) in general leads to the down fall of society?" And "gay is bad"? " from interactions on this and other sites, is it the majority on this site, no, but it has been expressed more than a few times by different posters. On other christian sites it's much worse. So it's not a false generalization if one keeps hearing it over and over and over..... You might just have to admit or come to see that like it or not a lot of things are said and done that don't quite live up to the "christian standard" and people are starting to take notice and spread the word. As for where i get it from the church directly i listened to the ad's they funded in California, didn't feel much love from those ad's at all, but then again it all depends on what side of the ad you were on, and on some of the documents directly from the church about how they wanted to deal with homosexual issues in general.

I'll give credit where it's due and i do, give me more to give credit for and i will.

Back to the topic.....

[Soulsearcher]

Soul- you've got it wrong. Typical of a lot of gays who comment on forums and news articles and blogs (and please notice I didn't say every gay person on the earth), you are using sweeping generalizations that fuel the fire for your own cause. Where do you get from the LDS church that "any acceptance of them (gays) in general leads to the down fall of society?" And "gay is bad"? Those are extreme and false generalizations. To say things like this is to slap Christians in the face. (OK you can slap the Westboros- they are just nuts. And I'd bet most people recognize them as being off their rockers and don't give their message much thought. Their volume is drowning out their message anyway. They are like mosquitoes needing to be zapped with bug spray. A huge annoyance!!)

Once again...The LDS church as well as many other Christian churches see and accept gays as people with goodness and talents and the ability to love and be Christlike. The church accepts and loves them as human beings and as children of our Father in Heaven who is the Father of us all. He loves gays just as much as He loves any of His children. We all commit sins, we are all a little "off" in some way or another. Even President Monson has his faults and weaknesses. Some of us have bigger, more challenging issues than others. Our responsibility on this earth is to learn to overcome our issues, to become master over our "natural" instincts, to repent and to try to become more like our Father in Heaven. It's the same for everyone on this earth regardless of gender, race or sexual orientation. According to the gospel of Jesus Christ, gay behavior is bad. Gay people are not necessarily "bad".

Will you please give us a little more credit?

I give credit where it's due. Your "false sweeping generalizations" tend to be my reality. Ignore it, and down play it, but it is what it is. I'm glad you don't encounter it in daily life, i wish i could say the same :)

[carlimac]

I give credit where it's due. Your "false sweeping generalizations" tend to be my reality. Ignore it, and down play it, but it is what it is. I'm glad you don't encounter it in daily life, i wish i could say the same :)

Too bad you see things that way. I'm sorry for you.

[Soulsearcher]

Too bad you see things that way. I'm sorry for you.

I'd like to see it different, but until people change their tune it's kinda hard. Most don't really hear what they are saying thinking they are being all loving or compassionate, but really they miss the bus completely. Being most people have no real idea what it's like most of the time it's just simple platitudes or misinformed comments. It's like going to a blind person and saying "It's not that bad, i know when i close my eyes i can still mostly get around, i know how hard it is just as well as you, so don't try to tell me how it is cause i already know." In the last week by christians i've been blamed for all the issues in america, the earth quake in japan, the state of marriage and the decay of morals all around the world. I've been told i should be stoned, burned, that i should have been aborted cause i was defective, told i need to be locked up cause I'm completely insane. Off line all the LDS close to me ran and disowned me for being gay. The last one to go was my lil girl who i helped raise. She left when i started talking about changing how i dress and taking better care of my skin. So i start dressing nice(not just tshirts and jeans) and i start a skin care routine and that's just cause to be disowned by LDS. I've dated one guy in a very innocent relationship that I'm not sure crosses any set LDS doctrine and yet they washed their hands of me. So yes i really don't see much of a difference between bottom line message between these nuts and mainstream christianity, i just see it less in inflammatory in the main stream.

[slamjet]

Well, Soul, I feel my morals being eroded slowly but surely every time I read your posts, but then that could be because I'm on a diet and everything is evil with the mood I'm in :D

[Wingnut]

Why is the quote function messed up in just about every post in this thread? It's confusing.

[slamjet]

Why is the quote function messed up in just about every post in this thread? It's confusing.

Evil Spirits?