Pre-mortal Life.

[believer]

I have been looking for info on pre-mortal life online and haven't been able to find much on the website. I've always thought that I disobeyed god and came here to be of service to my family especially my mother who was in the process of loosing her husband and daughter when I was born. They didn't give me these ideas I just kind of came up with them I guess. I've just always had this feeling that in some kind of pre-mortal existence I was outraged by the horror and sadness of the beings here and nothing being done about it so I jumped or fell or whatever. But my best guess is that this was no-ones will but my own.

Would this be considered some kind of sin? I struggled with many existential thoughts unreasonably from an early age. It was only when I was able to read my sisters diary when I was 20 that I understood I was practically born with the questions she died with from leukemia at 11. So this has only given more to my idea of a pre-mortal existence but I'm still unclear. I am able to remember just after birth in the hospital.. some of the time spent on the floor on a blanket before walking and everything past age 5 but not pre-mortal life.

I still largely find god absent. With the exception of falling to my knees one time and two missionaries knocked on the front door before I even finished getting up off the floor. This is part of the reason why as a Catholic I reserve space for your faith in my life. I don't remember asking the missionaries this one. Perhaps it was too personal to me at the time. But now I feel o.k. about putting it out there.

Also, how do I know this isn't pre-mortal life now as I type this? A kind of training ground.

Or am I describing damnation since I have no interest in eternity.

[FunkyTown]

Funny thing: If you have no interest in Eternity, it's that you don't truly understand it.

Eternity isn't a year from now. It's not ten years from now. It's not a thousand years from now or even a million. 10, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000 years from now will not even by a drop in the ocean of eternity. When this world is so far gone that you can barely remember it and all the pain, fears and loves of this world are gone, you will still be. When all the awards and accolades of this world are meaningless and unrememberable, you will still be.

Eternity is literally the only thing to care for. Sometimes, I forget that. We all do. Those things we nurture today are the things we will reap in eternity.

[Guest]

Here's some basic stuff about pre-mortal existence that may interest you. Read them in the order it appears below:

Gospel Principles Chapter 2: Our Heavenly Family

Gospel Principles Chapter 3: Jesus Christ, Our Chosen Leader and Savior

Gospel Principles Chapter 4: Freedom to Choose

Hope this helps.

[believer]

Oh, I understand it. You describe it well. I prefer the idea of winking out like a candle flame burning out. I'm also apeirophobic. But resting in the peace of the lord here and there would make it easier.

[believer]

Those links are much more in depth than what I had been able to find... thanks! But I'm don't think I knew Jesus or Satan. Kind of like an agnostic child running into a fire to save a puppy. But I will return to those links to learn more.

[Traveler]

Believer,

Perhaps your concepts are not so different from my own. I believe that we come to earth and live out our plan that we developed through our agency in the pre-existence. I believe it is possible that there was divine input to our plan from our Father and others but because I believe in agency - I believe that we all had the “final” say in our plan.

I also believe that at some time we will stand before G-d and make an account of our plan and our completion of it. At that time G-d may ask us what we learned. But I believe he will ask us what we desire in the resurrection. I believe we can be forgiven for all our errors - pre-existence or mortal errors; if we so desire. I believe some errors occur because of our faulty desires and that we can overcome our faulty desires come to desire sacred and holy things but never-the-less G-d will grant unto us according to our desires.

The Traveler

[Javajot]

  FunkyTown said:

Funny thing: If you have no interest in Eternity, it's that you don't truly understand it.

Eternity isn't a year from now. It's not ten years from now. It's not a thousand years from now or even a million. 10, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000 years from now will not even by a drop in the ocean of eternity. When this world is so far gone that you can barely remember it and all the pain, fears and loves of this world are gone, you will still be. When all the awards and accolades of this world are meaningless and unrememberable, you will still be.

Eternity is literally the only thing to care for. Sometimes, I forget that. We all do. Those things we nurture today are the things we will reap in eternity.

EPIC!!!!

You need to write a book or something bro.

[FunkyTown]

  Javajot said:

EPIC!!!!

You need to write a book or something bro.

Thank you, Java. I had to look up the number I put down.

It's 1 Novemdecillion years.

[Guest]

  FunkyTown said:

Thank you, Java. I had to look up the number I put down.

It's 1 Novemdecillion years.

Dear Santa, I would like to have FT's English Book For Daily Use. I promise to be very good and nice.

[FunkyTown]

  believer said:

Oh, I understand it. You describe it well. I prefer the idea of winking out like a candle flame burning out. I'm also apeirophobic. But resting in the peace of the lord here and there would make it easier.

I get the whole apeirophic thing. Everyone who thinks about eternity will probably face it at some point. Panic attacks or the like. It's a perfectly logical fear.

The problem is that what we prefer to believe has to coincide with what actually is for it to be a meaningful belief. I would prefer to believe that I'm a billionaire, but if I start writing checks on that belief, I'm gonna get arrested for fraud.

[hungrytrash]

Take every atom in the universe and put them in a straight line. Reshape every individual atom so that it looks like the number "9", then read the number presented.

That many years...not even close to eternity.

[Vort]

  hungrytrash said:

Take every atom in the universe and put them in a straight line. Reshape every individual atom so that it looks like the number "9", then read the number presented.

That many years...not even close to eternity.

Take every atom in the universe, and reshape it to look like hungrytrash's number above. Then take each of those and arrange them in a power series, so you're taking one number to the power of the next, and so on. Then read the number presented.

That many years...not even close to Graham's number.

Just saying.

[hungrytrash]

  Vort said:

Take every atom in the universe, and reshape it to look like hungrytrash's number above. Then take each of those and arrange them in a power series, so you're taking one number to the power of the next, and so on. Then read the number presented.

That many years...not even close to Graham's number.

Just saying.

TREE(3) is so much bigger than Graham's that I don't know how to describe how much bigger it is.

[Vort]

  hungrytrash said:

TREE(3) is so much bigger than Graham's that I don't know how to describe how much bigger it is.

"Way"?

[prophetofdoom]

@Believer- There is no mistake for you being down here in this mortal life. Our Father in Heaven allowed you to come down here as part of His plan for all of us. I believe that many of us knew what our lives were going to be like when we chose to come to Earth. Some of us chose to come down here to increase the amount of love on the Earth. If you feel that you came to Earth, partly, to be of comfort to your family... that is a noble and wonderful act of Love.

[believer]

Thanks prophetofdoom. That's encouraging. My negative notions of pre-mortal life and incarnation don't seem to fit doctrine then from the info I've been pointed to at mormon.org. Nice to have a little clarity with that. Thanks!

[Traveler]

  hungrytrash said:

Take every atom in the universe and put them in a straight line. Reshape every individual atom so that it looks like the number "9", then read the number presented.

That many years...not even close to eternity.

I believe you do not have a very good understanding of eternity. As soon as you make any relationship of eternity to any kind of time - there will be an end.

The Traveler

[Seminarysnoozer]

  Traveler said:

I believe you do not have a very good understanding of eternity. As soon as you make any relationship of eternity to any kind of time - there will be an end.

The Traveler

Any "kind of time"? What about the passage of time? .... as in "to bring to pass".