Worried about temple rec. interview with stake president

[Just_A_Guy]

Ohhhh that is a good one I love it!

Hmmm back to Romans...6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under law but under grace.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid

Are you saying that anyone who has accepted Christ is incapable of sinning and not subject to any other law?

I think that's the vibe you're leaving a lot of us with, and if that's not what you intend I'd respectfully suggest you take this opportunity to clarify yourself.

It appears as always when talking to fellow Mormons its never about the doctrine of Christ, it is always about proving a point someone has to be right.

Every now and again, it's about combating theories that will be interpreted to justify behavior the Lord has warned against as sinful.

You cannot be in Christ and believe that sinning is the order of the day. I mean really

Like Paul says he came to know Sin because the Law said don't...

Can you clarify this, please?

The scriptures also tell me that the LOVE OF GOD CONSTRAINS US...hmmmm it seems to me knowing that God loves you, keeps you safe, because you are Christ centered. Having to be constantly worried about a set of rules = self-centeredness and it always leads to sin. You know that!

Yes; but it isn't that the commandments go away and/or can be disregarded with impunity. It's that, having been reborn as new creatures in Christ, we have no more desire to break them--let alone encouraging others to break them by publicly dismissing them as "silly ridiculous crap".

Ah Joseph Smith..."I teach them correct principles and let people govern themselves!"

A very Zionistic ideal, to be sure; but Joseph Smith was living in the real world and he was a practical man. Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer, Robert Foster, William McLellin, and the Law brothers--among countless others--found out firsthand that, outside of certain parameters, they were most decidedly not free to "govern themselves".

Neither the modern LDS Church nor the primitive Church chronicled in the Bible was ever a haven for cheap grace. Joseph Smith--and Paul--and, yes, even Jesus Himself--recognized that Christian freedom entailed keeping God's laws; and they had very strong words for those who willfully and repeatedly broke those laws.

Edited May 12, 2011 by Just_A_Guy

[GoodMormonGirl]

Yes, Yes, Yes...Please help me understand what it is about me that suggests I am not a member of the Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Saints???

[GoodMormonGirl]

I am suggesting what The Saviour showed to be true.

He has already fulfilled the ends of the law!

I have nothing to expound, read it in the scriptures I haven't quoted anyone erroneously.

I love this "the commandments" what commandments surely not the 10 headlines!

Because if it is commandments you want to keep in the bible in the OT there 683 of them...not counting all the additions by Pharisees.

So please tell what commandments you are so insistent on keeping and also tell how well you are doing.

There are only two commandments Love God and love your neighbour. IN love are ALL commandments fulfilled.

[GoodMormonGirl]

Okay I am done with the fruitless discussion.

You focus on Commandments, I will focus on Christ...I'll take that any day over having to go through D&C 19.

[Vort]

Okay I am done with the fruitless discussion.

You focus on Commandments, I will focus on Christ...I'll take that any day over having to go through D&C 19.

How can you be "done" with discussion when you haven't yet begun? So far, you have stated your judgment. Others have asked for clarification. You have responded by restating your judgment. Rinse and repeat. You have yet to enter into any discussion, so I'm not sure how you can be done with it.

It's like the March Hare said to Alice: You mean you can't have any LESS tea. You can always have more. Especially when you haven't had any to begin with.

[skippy740]

Okay I am done with the fruitless discussion.

You focus on Commandments, I will focus on Christ...I'll take that any day over having to go through D&C 19.

It's not "commandments" versus "Christ". It's "Christ through commandments".

What do the prayers for the sacrament say and what do they mean?

[Guest DeborahC]

For me, it's not so much the act of masturbation itself that is a sin, but what you are THINKING as you masturbate that might be sinful....

I don't know.. if it were me, I'd just repent privately.

It's really too much information to hand to a bishop in my opinion, and not necessary to burden him with.

Just stop...

[GoodMormonGirl]

Okay...

GOD does not want us to sin because we are not created for sin.

We are the righteouness of God In Christ apart from our works.

When you do sin as you call it which is always since we are human, we must understand that there is therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.

Once you grasp how much God loves you, you realise he is not some nutjob task master wielding a list of commandments.

He loves us and sees us through the mercy seat [propitiation] and the blood which is Jesus Christ and the atonement.

THe eternal now is that GOD see us as he sees his Son PERFECTED

While on the earth we go through the process of sanctification [that is the Holy Ghosts Job}

Repentance is a rat race...there are deeper issues, called the root see EPH 3...you must be rooted in love, the love of GOD.

Then you must renew your mind daily see ROM 12 :1-2 this means spending time with HF and JC, reading your scriptures and being in a relationship.

Now if you want the stone cold commandments go for it...Deborah C is right...however repent is the word confess is, repent meant to change your mindset about an issue. 1John 1:9-10 covers this.

Lastly my concern is not the masturbation or the sin, it is the worry about the Temple recommend.

What did david say "against thee o GOD and only thee have I sinned"

One more thing People before programs People before principles. A girl came for help, a human being and like the pharisees let us no levy hefty fines and yet the Saviour said I do not condemn thee....but by all means let us focus on go and sin no more, forgetting that only JC was perfect.

She needs to know God loves her, then she needs to renew her mind with the word of God and be in a relationship with him and they will work through it together.

I mean really?

[skippy740]

Please tell me what the Sacramental prayers mean?

And your own opinion of 2 Nephi 25:23?

[GoodMormonGirl]

We are saved by grace after all we can do....I was wondering when old faithful would show up.

Please look at the date [between 559 and 545 B.C]

So this would be just about pre Babylonian exile, but Lehi and fam have left so the Assyrians haven't descended.

Hmmm Christ hasn't come, they are still living under the law. THe law was a system of commandment, ritual sacrifices and feasts.

These were commanded to do. But Nephi like all other prophets, to him was revealed the coming Messiah

so while the atonement had not been wrought they were bring their sheep, bulls, goats, lambs, doves grain, shekels of silver, oil, tithes etc...this is ALL they could, waiting for the Grace of Christ to complete the work!

ALL scripture must be read in context

Lets see vs 24 states what I jsut said: And notwithstanding we believe in Christ, we keep the law of Moses and look forweard with steadfasness unto Christ, until the law shall be fulfilled.

Then in Matthew the Saviour said...I am come to fulfill the end of the law.

vs 25 further explains they keep the law b/c of the commandments, yet they knew even before Christ came that the law is death [because the law is just and holy, and so is its giver, not the people who are to keep it].

THe law...GOD the law because the Israelites demanded it. Abraham is the Father of FAITH not the law.

There is a reason we are under the Abrahamic covenant...life by faith in GOd and Christ, not the law.

As for the sacramental prayer really???? the sacrament is for cleansing and healing and life!

[pam]

I love that am I a Mormon...No I am not a mormon. I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints...Just like Elder Packer said in General Conference. Goodness gracious

Interesting since the church has a website called mormon.org

[skippy740]

As for the sacramental prayer really???? the sacrament is for cleansing and healing and life!

Yes, really! There's an important lesson in the words of the sacramental prayer. I'm just hoping that you can find it because it directly relates to this thread.

Oh, and you can cross-reference 2 Nephi 25:23 with Alma 24:10-15. There's a familiar phrase there. I think you'll like it. But verses 12-13 are especially appropriate for this thread.

Edited May 13, 2011 by skippy740

[GoodMormonGirl]

:) Like I said a discussion in futility. I see you your Moroni 4 and I raise you the Whole Entire NT!

Here go your commandments!

King James Bible

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2Tim 2:15

Matt 22: 34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’b 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’c 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

[skippy740]

I wasn't going to do your homework for you. I was hoping to share with you something that would help your understanding of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. So I've posted this for others to learn and share.

The Sacramental Prayers: D&C 20:77 & 79

77 O God, the Eternal Father, we ask thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this bread to the souls of all those who partake of it, that they may eat in remembrance of the body of thy Son, and witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they are willing to take upon them the name of thy Son, and always remember him and keep his commandments which he has given them; that they may always have his Spirit to be with them. Amen.

79 O God, the Eternal Father, we ask thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this wine to the souls of all those who drink of it, that they may do it in remembrance of the blood of thy Son, which was shed for them; that they may witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they do always remember him, that they may have his Spirit to be with them. Amen.

As part of the remembrance of the Savior, we covenant that we are willing and do always remember him, to keep His commandments that He has given us.

Alma 24:10-15

10 And I also thank my God, yea, my great God, that he hath granted unto us that we might repent of these things, and also that he hath forgiven us of those our many sins and murders which we have committed, and taken away the guilt from our hearts, through the merits of his Son.

11 And now behold, my brethren, since it has been all that we could do (as we were the most lost of all mankind) to repent of all our sins and the many murders which we have committed, and to get God to take them away from our hearts, for it was all we could do to repent sufficiently before God that he would take away our stain—

12 Now, my best beloved brethren, since God hath taken away our stains, and our swords have become bright, then let us stain our swords no more with the blood of our brethren.

13 Behold, I say unto you, Nay, let us retain our swords that they be not stained with the blood of our brethren; for perhaps, if we should stain our swords again they can no more be washed bright through the blood of the Son of our great God, which shall be shed for the atonement of our sins.

14 And the great God has had mercy on us, and made these things known unto us that we might not perish; yea, and he has made these things known unto us beforehand, because he loveth our souls as well as he loveth our children; therefore, in his mercy he doth visit us by his angels, that the plan of salvation might be made known unto us as well as unto future generations.

15 Oh, how merciful is our God! And now behold, since it has been as much as we could do to get our stains taken away from us, and our swords are made bright, let us hide them away that they may be kept bright, as a testimony to our God at the last day, or at the day that we shall be brought to stand before him to be judged, that we have not stained our swords in the blood of our brethren since he imparted his word unto us and has made us clean thereby.

Once one is has their heart, might, mind and strength converted to serving the purposes of God and honoring their covenants, they no longer have the desire to do evil and although they (we) sin, we don't have the desire to harbor and festor those sins.

You have demonstrated that you do not understand (at the very least) LDS doctrines. You are exhibiting the spirit of contention by not answering questions directly. I think you must like to cause trouble and confusion to others who would read this thread.

I hope you're having fun.

Edited May 13, 2011 by skippy740

[GoodMormonGirl]

Thanks for helping me Understand The Doctrine Of Christ.

I am grateful

God Bless

[skippy740]

The purpose of this thread has long been accomplished.

Thread closed.