BYU now allows students to morally advocate for themselves and their LGBT peers.

[Iggy]

Ok this is LDS thinking. We start with a question that is hmmm what IS he thinking and progress to food. It's true that food can solve so many problems!

That is where Comfort Food came from. Mashed potatoes with butter. Home made white bread, toasted w/blackberry jam. Meat loaf, scalloped potatoes, steamed fresh spinach w/a spritz of lemon juice and a small pat of butter. Home made split pea w/left over corned beef soup. Poor man's bread pudding = bread on plate, sprinkle sugar,cinnamon, & any other sweet spice and pour just enough milk to make it wet but not drowning. Home made chicken & noodle soup. Saltines crumbled in bowl, add milk.

[Iggy]

Hmmmm....maybe you weren't allowed by the garden for a reason. Did you ever have "Grandma's Special Brownies?" Just kidding!! No offense to g-ma!! I just couldn't resist.

No offense taken- we lived in that house from the time I was 2 yrs old until I was 9- I would have cut the plants and inch from the soil and brought them in to put in vases. My older siblings would have "worked" the soil, "hepping Grandma" with her garden.

If the yard had been large enough, she would have grown her own tobacco- my parents were not members then- and all three smoked. Saving money by growing their own tobacco would have appealed to them. There was a good patch of ground next to the driveway boarding the neighbors driveway. Grandma grew potatoes there. I was forever breaking off the flowers and bringing them in to her. Did the same to my Dad's roses. Only I confiscated Mom's barber shears to cut the roses with.

Got spanked only once for each offense. NEVER did it again. BTW, the spanking really didn't hurt- it was more noise and knowing that I had done wrong and really, really upset the parents and Grandma.

[prisonchaplain]

This happened in February of 2011 so everyone is up to date. BYU has removed it's ban on moral advocacy for LGBT people or Same Gender Attraction.

Here is Brad whom the church is pleased with who has written a new book Homosexuality: A Straight BYU students perspective.

BYU: Biology Student Brad Carmack

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[mordorbund]

This happened in February of 2011 so everyone is up to date. BYU has removed it's ban on moral advocacy for LGBT people or Same Gender Attraction.

Here is Brad whom the church is pleased with who has written a new book Homosexuality: A Straight BYU students perspective.

BYU: Biology Student Brad Carmack

Just a reminder of the original topic...

You might want to post that in its own thread so you don't derail this nostalgic food thread.

[Blackmarch]

Ok this is LDS thinking. We start with a question that is hmmm what IS he thinking and progress to food. It's true that food can solve so many problems!

or lead to them as in the case of adam and eve ^.^

.. but either way its food:lol:

[Blackmarch]

I listened to about a minute of the video, and got the answer. The author/student is arguing that moral imperative sometimes outweighs "law." He uses the example of the Garden of Eden, where Adam and Eve had the law, not to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Nevertheless, they had the moral imperative to win our free agency, and so violated the law.

Not sure how he's going to argue that homosexuals have a moral imperative that outweighs law, but it sounds like that is where he is going.

I'll confess I've always struggled with the LDS perspective on the Garden of Eden...perhaps this kind of thinking is why...

Genesis seemed fairly straight forward to me (altho having the book of Moses helps in this regard).. but to me they didn't break any law, they went against an admonition or some sort of strong warning because God first gives them permission to partake of every fruit.. including the tree of knowledge,

... but then god says but wait don't eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge because you'll die if you do.

Which is interesting because if the "don't take the fruit of knowledge" bit is a full blown commandment then we have a contradiction as well as the only place in scripture i'm aware of where God says you're welcome to do whatever even sin, but you'll be screwed over because you did so. I can't think of any other place where God pretty much says "go ahead and sin, but..."

IMO if A&E did anything really wrong it wasn't from partaking of the fruit it was in who they heeded in doing it. The problem with this tho, is we don't have any record of whether or not they were commanded to only obey God.

It is also important to note at that point as well, that they did not "Know good and evil" being as children.

[Blackmarch]

This happened in February of 2011 so everyone is up to date. BYU has removed it's ban on moral advocacy for LGBT people or Same Gender Attraction.

Here is Brad whom the church is pleased with who has written a new book Homosexuality: A Straight BYU students perspective.

BYU: Biology Student Brad Carmack

and only after watching the first video.

My question to the individual in the video would be, why didn't Christ marry to his apostles if it was just about deep love, appreciation warmth and etc.. to another?

my other question to the man would be what does he understand what is the difference between love before marriage and love after marriage.. what changes?

thee thing i notice that all the attributes that he says composes a mrarriage relationship aren't the ones that require a marriage except for the romance.