Josh M Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 I am an adult - Grandma age adult. I started a topic about MySpace.com See Here Where I work, two of the employees spend more time on their myspace sites then they do working. Because of them downloading pictures taken from others sites there, they brought in a bug and we lost a computer. We were fortunate that our main database has an excellent firewall - but losing that computer hurt us, not to mention the cost of reformatting it, and the cost of the person to come in and do it. They both got fired, and we implemented better web blockage. Our Computer guy is dead set against myspace.com too. He has the enforcement agencies as his clients here, and they have been plagued with viruses, bugs, and systems crashing because of employees visiting this site. IF major business are banning this site and terminating employees over using it on company time - then perhaps parents should take a better look at having their children on this site. If you know what your doing you usually dont have to worry about it infecting your machine. =\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 <div class='quotemain'>I am an adult - Grandma age adult. I started a topic about MySpace.com See Here Where I work, two of the employees spend more time on their myspace sites then they do working. Because of them downloading pictures taken from others sites there, they brought in a bug and we lost a computer. We were fortunate that our main database has an excellent firewall - but losing that computer hurt us, not to mention the cost of reformatting it, and the cost of the person to come in and do it. They both got fired, and we implemented better web blockage. Our Computer guy is dead set against myspace.com too. He has the enforcement agencies as his clients here, and they have been plagued with viruses, bugs, and systems crashing because of employees visiting this site. IF major business are banning this site and terminating employees over using it on company time - then perhaps parents should take a better look at having their children on this site. If you know what your doing you usually dont have to worry about it infecting your machine. =\There was a post here somewhere made about myspace, and how it is spiritually evil.EDIT: it was already stated... whoops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MrsS Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 If you know what your doing you usually dont have to worry about it infecting your machine. =\ Josh, just how many of us common people know exactly what we are doing on the internet/computer? How many 12-13-14, etc. year olds know what they are doing on the internet/computer?? Get real.When I stated that my Stake President informed us - that is exaclty what happened. For your (everyone, actually) information a Stake President can NOT just opt to relate a Cyber theory - or story - or legend. Before he makes any type of announcement like the one my Stake President made, he must have written approval from the First Presidency.Doubt me? Then go ask your Stake President. I did before I ever started that link. I also asked his permission to post it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisajo Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 <div class='quotemain'>If you know what your doing you usually dont have to worry about it infecting your machine. =\ Josh, just how many of us common people know exactly what we are doing on the internet/computer? How many 12-13-14, etc. year olds know what they are doing on the internet/computer?? Get real.When I stated that my Stake President informed us - that is exaclty what happened. For your (everyone, actually) information a Stake President can NOT just opt to relate a Cyber theory - or story - or legend. Before he makes any type of announcement like the one my Stake President made, he must have written approval from the First Presidency.Doubt me? Then go ask your Stake President. I did before I ever started that link. I also asked his permission to post it. Yes i remember your post, and you are right, it was addresed at our ward as well, I know Oddie never saw your post it was older and he has only really been posting a week, i read it and am well aware of the problems, i won't let my boys have an account there unless i am their friend, my oldest is 21 and does not mind at all, my second oldest hooked my comp. up with the best security ect. you can buy, I have seen some scarry stuff on there! my son's accounts can not be viewed by anyone unless they are friends there set to private, Now i was on one of my Son's sites one night and one of his friends had some really bad stuff on his own site (I spy) and i went straight to his parents who checked it out and deleted it, needless to say i nol onger let him hang out with this child, i would never of known what he was like if i did not check my space!You are right, and that post you started was very important!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Lisa Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh M Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 <div class='quotemain'>If you know what your doing you usually dont have to worry about it infecting your machine. =\ Josh, just how many of us common people know exactly what we are doing on the internet/computer? How many 12-13-14, etc. year olds know what they are doing on the internet/computer?? Get real.When I stated that my Stake President informed us - that is exaclty what happened. For your (everyone, actually) information a Stake President can NOT just opt to relate a Cyber theory - or story - or legend. Before he makes any type of announcement like the one my Stake President made, he must have written approval from the First Presidency.Doubt me? Then go ask your Stake President. I did before I ever started that link. I also asked his permission to post it. Im not saying that you are lying, i believe you. All im saying is that everyone SHOULD know what they are doing. Myspace can be a safe and spirutal place IF you handle it correctly. All of my friends have myspace and its a way for us to commiunicate. My Bishop has myspace and we make appointments for hometeaching through myspace. All of his daughters have myspace too.Myspace isnt all bad, it depends on the way you use it. I block the pornagraphic ads that are displayed, I dont go around to random peoples profiles. You can set your profile to private. Just dont be an idiot and you are fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 "Just dont be an idiot and you are fine" You don't have to be an idiot to think it is evil... The GA's say it is... they aren't idiots... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh M Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 "Just dont be an idiot and you are fine"You don't have to be an idiot to think it is evil...The GA's say it is...they aren't idiots...wow twist my words more please....I never said that they are idiots. I would never say anything like that because its far from what I believe. Please show a little more respect thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 wow twist my words more please....I never said that they are idiots. I would never say anything like that because its far from what I believe. Please show a little more respect thanks.Umm...I am confused...I didn't twist your words...They are right there,and I commented on them.Also, by doing that, I was hardly showing a lack of respect..I was simply stating that there are smart people who think it is a really bad idea (and that is what I HONESTLY thought you were saying... that idiots are the only ones with problems on it. I wasn't yrying to deirespect you. I promise... perhaps reword and not flip?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh M Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Sorry, i ment the fact by the way you USE it. As in if you go looking for trouble, you will find it. Be smart on the internet, not stupid. Saying the general authorities were idiots was FAR from what I ment. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Sorry, i ment the fact by the way you USE it. As in if you go looking for trouble, you will find it. Be smart on the internet, not stupid.Saying the general authorities were idiots was FAR from what I ment.Sorry.No preb.I still love you. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prisonchaplain Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 <div class='quotemain'>Hwe need spellcheck!it's called schoolYou must have had the advantage of a proper training in a private educational institution.As 4 me, I got my lerning in publik scool. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 <div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>Hwe need spellcheck!it's called schoolYou must have had the advantage of a proper training in a private educational institution.As 4 me, I got my lerning in publik scool. :-)lol. I second that.My teacher can't spell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainTux Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 I have me one of those 17 year old daughters in my life. I allow her to use myspace. Computer stays in common area. She does not know it yet, but 18th Bday will involve a shiny new Apple Laptop. To use myspace and yahoo and aim and email...I am to have all passwords. She also knows that when she logs into the computer under her user id, that there is a keylogger involved. Now, here is the kicker. Yes, I monitor her myspace to see who she has as a friends, but I have never used her passwords once. Why? She has not given me cause to. It is our jobs to restrict you a protect you, but if you give us responsibility, we will treat ya like an adult. Guess what...most sexual predatory behavior is still an inside job. Crazy Uncle Ted is more of a threat than Big_john-4zzzzzzz-yx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr T Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Hey Capin, What does "keylogger" do/mean? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainTux Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Hey Capin,What does "keylogger" do/mean?ThanksIt lets you read the e-mails sent, see web sites visited and review information. In other words, you get the detailed information on keys pressed and the application that the user typed them to while the key logger was running. Employers and identity thieves have been using this software for years and parents are starting to take advantage of this powerful took. It is usually marketed as family monitoring software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr T Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Hey Capin,What does "keylogger" do/mean?ThanksOHHH! Someone told me they had done that to me once. I spent forever looking it up. After I learned what it was, I had to get it off.... Those things make me bitter. lol.I found out my dad was reading my msn convos once.It wouldn't have been a problem if he had told me before hand.I don't say or do anything bad on it, as he knows now...But I didn't like it behind my back.Wow...that was a needless tangent.I didn't talk enough today.Sorry guyz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainTux Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Desiré, Allow me to give you a parents perspective from a parent who used to be a troubled teen. The right to privacy in my house was an illusion under the rule of my grandparents who have raised many baby boomers and have seen it all. The poor people had 3 teens in the 60's and 2 in the 70's. Dealing with an 80's kid was a walk in the park for them. Dirty magazines in the sock drawer...found during periodic searches while I was in school, the cigarettes in my jean jacket, replaced with carrot sticks, the stash of other recreational things to smoke hidden away under the dresser....busted. If I said I was going to Tim's house, Tim's mother may have gotten a phone call to see if I was there. There was one telephone in the house, it was on the kitchen wall and had a short cord. Heck, my grandfather would take note of the wear of my tires to see if I was burning rubber. In time, as I proved myself responsible I would get a phone in my bedroom, ownership of my sock drawer, and the ability to go out with friends and say "see ya on Monday!". Today, many parents feel they know what their kids are up to and buy them an internet connected computer in their bedroom. Just as the sock drawer is mine to look into anytime I wish, so is the computer. The difference between your dad and me is that I make the rules upfront. She has to give me passwords to email addys, AIM chats, etc if she wishes to have the privilege (not right) to use the computer for recreation and socialization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryFields Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Captain, again you inspire me. Yes, I also have my own myspace account and I am number two, with my avatar of a temple, on her (my daughters) top 12. I don't have her passwords yet. B) I will also want her cell phone password, this is a girl who averages 4000+ text messages per month which I pay for. B) Just the other night she had a guy who wanted to see her when he got off from work at 7:30. I told her that she needed to be in the shower by ( to get her hair washed and to get ready for school the next day. She knows that I need to meet anyone she goes out with. He came in to meet me wearing a bini and two pierced ears with diamonds. I had heard her mention this boys name for the past couple of days ad she was excited to go out with him. I reminded her of her obligations as she left with him. At 9:15 I called to see where she was. She was on her way home as she usually is. B) Before she got into the shower I asked her to tell me more about this boy she had just spent the last 40 mins with. She said that he was on her myspace. I signed in and because I wasn't his 'friend" I couldn't see his profile. She signed in and let me look. I was even less impressed after viewing his profile and pictures. I believed that this was someone she met at school, wrong. She met him on myspace and he is 20 years old. His g-buddies are some who go to her school and he has other likes which are questionable at best. I am really glad this thread is still active. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisajo Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Captain, again you inspire me. Yes, I also have my own myspace account and I am number two, with my avatar of a temple, on her (my daughters) top 12. I don't have her passwords yet. B) I will also want her cell phone password, this is a girl who averages 4000+ text messages per month which I pay for. B) Just the other night she had a guy who wanted to see her when he got off from work at 7:30. I told her that she needed to be in the shower by ( to get her hair washed and to get ready for school the next day. She knows that I need to meet anyone she goes out with. He came in to meet me wearing a bini and two pierced ears with diamonds. I had heard her mention this boys name for the past couple of days ad she was excited to go out with him. I reminded her of her obligations as she left with him. At 9:15 I called to see where she was. She was on her way home as she usually is. B) Before she got into the shower I asked her to tell me more about this boy she had just spent the last 40 mins with. She said that he was on her myspace. I signed in and because I wasn't his 'friend" I couldn't see his profile. She signed in and let me look. I was even less impressed after viewing his profile and pictures. I believed that this was someone she met at school, wrong. She met him on myspace and he is 20 years old. His g-buddies are some who go to her school and he has other likes which are questionable at best.I am really glad this thread is still active. First of cap. T thans for your post it made me feel better on how i check on my kids. i tell ya i was feeling a little over powering to them but i have gotten over it now SF, i know were your comming from my son (my youngest not Oddie) had a freind here in town he was on my son's my space (which like you i am his friend) well i check it alot but i could not see his friends site, then one day outta the blue this friend of his asked me to be his friend (stupid kid ) i checked out his site and lost it ...it was BAD!!! i had to go to work right after this and my son was in Utah for the summer so i could not get a hold of him, then at work his other friends Father (the 3 boys hang out) came in and was telling me some problems his son was having with the other friend that has the my space account, i told him what i saw and he went home to check it out on his son's my space, (like a good father he has his son's account info) when he checked this other kids my space he was shocked and came back to tell me about it and we needed to talk to the kids parents, luck would have it beleive it or not the kids mom walked in... we took her a side and told her, what blew us away was that she didn't care it was his private world (he is 13) both the other childs father and i had our son's delete this kids accounts from their my space, and they are nolonger friends right now, the Mom came in to talk to me and things are getting better, she actualy did check it out and was embarresed. she deleted his account. Kids are sneeky they need to earn our respect and trust, and if you close your eyes for a second they can and will take advantage of it. now that i say that i must also say i trust my kids because they have no problem with my noseyness. and are always willing to give me account #s etc. and i do check them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryFields Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 I just don't think it is wise to support a secret life with our kids. I believe that wise parents will know when it is right to investigate something with their children a Captain Tux mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainTux Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 This post is as much for the teens as it is for the adults. When we become parents, we are given both a gift and responsibility. When you are born, you need us to feed you, change you, clothe you, bathe you, keep you safe and protected. You have no survival instincts. We have to give you love and smiles and hold you close because love is a necessary as food and oxygen. There comes a day when we have to hold your hands as you wobble and take early steps. We help you on the potty and lead you toward the direction that you finally know when to go. We teach you to look both ways and hold your hand across the street. We help you learn to speak, write, add and subtract. We teach you when to obey and when to apologize because society and God has folkways and mores that you have to learn. You are a teenager now. You can walk on your own. You can poop on your own. You know how to walk across the street. You know how to behave in a social environment and socialize properly. Hopefully your finger is no longer jammed up your nose. In many ways, we have done our job, but our work is not yet complete. Those biological and emotional changes are still going on. You are a hormone with legs and as stable as dynamite on the bed of a pickup barreling down a dirt road. Now it is time for us to protect you and train you once more. You live in a world full of pressures. You have career counselors telling you to figure out the rest of your vocational life at 15, you have desires for love and companionship and people offering what you seek along with the physical gratification that comes with it. You want to experiment and taste so much that life has to offer and the curiosity can be overwhelming. Heck, we tell you to act like an adult and the most important decision we allow you is which pair of shoes to wear that day. As old as we are, we still remember what it was like. We were...gasp...actually there once. We fed you to keep you from dying, we walked you across the street to keep you from being flattened by a car. We held on to the back of your bike with the training wheels off so you could feel the wind in your hair and ride like the wind. Now, we are here to guide you, teach you, and protect you. Some of the things we do, like wanting to know where you are and who you are with is to keep you safe. But, some of the things we do, like talking to you about love and responsibility and keeping up your grades is so you can soar and feel the wind in your face when you are an adult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryFields Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Thank You Captain Tux. I will save this and share it with those I love if it is okay with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Princess3dward Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Desiré,Allow me to give you a parents perspective from a parent who used to be a troubled teen.The right to privacy in my house was an illusion under the rule of my grandparents who have raised many baby boomers and have seen it all. The poor people had 3 teens in the 60's and 2 in the 70's. Dealing with an 80's kid was a walk in the park for them. Dirty magazines in the sock drawer...found during periodic searches while I was in school, the cigarettes in my jean jacket, replaced with carrot sticks, the stash of other recreational things to smoke hidden away under the dresser....busted. If I said I was going to Tim's house, Tim's mother may have gotten a phone call to see if I was there. There was one telephone in the house, it was on the kitchen wall and had a short cord. Heck, my grandfather would take note of the wear of my tires to see if I was burning rubber. In time, as I proved myself responsible I would get a phone in my bedroom, ownership of my sock drawer, and the ability to go out with friends and say "see ya on Monday!".Today, many parents feel they know what their kids are up to and buy them an internet connected computer in their bedroom. Just as the sock drawer is mine to look into anytime I wish, so is the computer. The difference between your dad and me is that I make the rules upfront. She has to give me passwords to email addys, AIM chats, etc if she wishes to have the privilege (not right) to use the computer for recreation and socialization.Haha. My dad can just hack me easy!I al 100% aware of that.He is a computer nerd..His OCD serves him well in that case. lol. I don't mind now.I just like to be told either before or after.I just like to know what is going on under my nose.I think that may be a control thing..This post is as much for the teens as it is for the adults. When we become parents, we are given both a gift and responsibility. When you are born, you need us to feed you, change you, clothe you, bathe you, keep you safe and protected. You have no survival instincts. We have to give you love and smiles and hold you close because love is a necessary as food and oxygen. There comes a day when we have to hold your hands as you wobble and take early steps. We help you on the potty and lead you toward the direction that you finally know when to go. We teach you to look both ways and hold your hand across the street. We help you learn to speak, write, add and subtract. We teach you when to obey and when to apologize because society and God has folkways and mores that you have to learn. You are a teenager now. You can walk on your own. You can poop on your own. You know how to walk across the street. You know how to behave in a social environment and socialize properly. Hopefully your finger is no longer jammed up your nose. In many ways, we have done our job, but our work is not yet complete.Those biological and emotional changes are still going on. You are a hormone with legs and as stable as dynamite on the bed of a pickup barreling down a dirt road. Now it is time for us to protect you and train you once more. You live in a world full of pressures. You have career counselors telling you to figure out the rest of your vocational life at 15, you have desires for love and companionship and people offering what you seek along with the physical gratification that comes with it. You want to experiment and taste so much that life has to offer and the curiosity can be overwhelming. Heck, we tell you to act like an adult and the most important decision we allow you is which pair of shoes to wear that day.As old as we are, we still remember what it was like. We were...gasp...actually there once. We fed you to keep you from dying, we walked you across the street to keep you from being flattened by a car. We held on to the back of your bike with the training wheels off so you could feel the wind in your hair and ride like the wind. Now, we are here to guide you, teach you, and protect you. Some of the things we do, like wanting to know where you are and who you are with is to keep you safe. But, some of the things we do, like talking to you about love and responsibility and keeping up your grades is so you can soar and feel the wind in your face when you are an adult.Some people seem to think we don't remember those days...But I felt the change....And I still feel it after switching parents.I only lived with my dad a year,and the time I lived with him before that, I think I was 12, and that was only for half a year.I begged them to get a divorce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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