Appointed Angels of God.

[circusboy01]

D&C 137 verse 17

... will be appointed Angels of God. That doesn't sound like too bad of a way to end up. I wonder. For those who become Angels. Will they be Spirit body Angels, or flesh and bone Angels?

Edited August 13, 2012 by circusboy01

[skalenfehl]

You mean D&C 132. All who inherit the celestial kingdom are those who gained salvation by baptism. To be saved, one must be baptized and keep his baptismal covenants, enduring to the end. Furthermore, they cannot have an increase if they are not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise (husband and wife for time and all eternity) and thus are not exalted within the celestial kingdom and remain, in their saved state, to become angels. All (meaning everyone who came to the earth) are resurrected with a glorified and immortal body of both flesh and bone either telestial, terrestrial or celestial according to the laws that they lived during mortality. So yes, angels will will be flesh and bone angels.

16 Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven, which angels are ministering servants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

17 For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are angels of God forever and ever.

Edited August 13, 2012 by skalenfehl

[rameumptom]

Angel comes from the Greek, and simply means "messenger". Jesus is known as the Angel of the Lord's Presence, showing that angels can be exalted beings. Michael the Archangel (aka Adam) and the other archangels are Celestial exalted beings. The only difference between angels will be the glory they receive.

[circusboy01]

You mean D&C 132. All who inherit the celestial kingdom are those who gained salvation by baptism. To be saved, one must be baptized and keep his baptismal covenants, enduring to the end. Furthermore, they cannot have an increase if they are not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise (husband and wife for time and all eternity) and thus are not exalted within the celestial kingdom and remain, in their saved state, to become angels. All (meaning everyone who came to the earth) are resurrected with a glorified and immortal body of both flesh and bone either telestial, terrestrial or celestial according to the laws that they lived during mortality. So yes, angels will will be flesh and bone angels.

16 Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven, which angels are ministering servants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

17 For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are angels of God forever and ever.

Yes I did mean 132. guess I thought 2, but struck 7. I read and understood all the other things, except the flesh and bone/spirit part. I just shortened it to ..."Will be appointed Angels of God." because I was too lazy to write it all out. Brother Ray

[circusboy01]

Angel comes from the Greek, and simply means "messenger". Jesus is known as the Angel of the Lord's Presence, showing that angels can be exalted beings. Michael the Archangel (aka Adam) and the other archangels are Celestial exalted beings. The only difference between angels will be the glory they receive.

So Michael was a flesh and bone Angel before he came to earth as Adam Those who are assigned to be Angels of God, because they are not going to become gods themselves. Come to earth first, then become Angels.

So there are no spirit Angels? The Holy Ghost is Spirit. Would he be considered an Angel?

What's the difference between Angels and Archangels? Would it, perhaps be like Archangels are at the top, and maybe Cherubs are at the bottom? Brother Ray

[annewandering]

So Michael was a flesh and bone Angel before he came to earth as Adam

Where do you get this?

[rameumptom]

Skalenfehl

Salvation does not require baptism. Salvation requires faith and repentance. Baptism is the doorway into the Celestial Kingdom, yet salvation is given to those in the Telestial and Terrestrial kingdoms, as well, without baptism.

[skalenfehl]

Skalenfehl

Salvation does not require baptism. Salvation requires faith and repentance. Baptism is the doorway into the Celestial Kingdom, yet salvation is given to those in the Telestial and Terrestrial kingdoms, as well, without baptism.

All who inherit the celestial kingdom are those who gained salvation by baptism.

Agreed, ram, however, In my entire post, I was specifically referring to the celestial kingdom as this was the context of circusboy's question.

Edited August 14, 2012 by skalenfehl

[skalenfehl]

So Michael was a flesh and bone Angel before he came to earth as Adam Those who are assigned to be Angels of God, because they are not going to become gods themselves. Come to earth first, then become Angels.

So there are no spirit Angels? The Holy Ghost is Spirit. Would he be considered an Angel?

What's the difference between Angels and Archangels? Would it, perhaps be like Archangels are at the top, and maybe Cherubs are at the bottom? Brother Ray

Micheal was not flesh and bone before being born as Adam. In the celestial kingdom there are two kinds of beings as Joseph explains in D&C 129:

1 There are two kinds of beings in heaven, namely: Angels, who are resurrected personages, having bodies of flesh and bones—

2 For instance, Jesus said: Handle me and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

3 Secondly: the spirits of just men made perfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory.

4 When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you.

5 If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand.

6 If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear—

7 Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the order of heaven for a just man to deceive; but he will still deliver his message.

8 If it be the devil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not feel anything; you may therefore detect him.

9 These are three grand keys whereby you may know whether any administration is from God.

[Blackmarch]

D&C 137 verse 17

... will be appointed Angels of God. That doesn't sound like too bad of a way to end up. I wonder. For those who become Angels. Will they be Spirit body Angels, or flesh and bone Angels?

After the resurrection they will have bodies of flesh and bone.

[circusboy01]

Where do you get this?

rameumpton's post said Michael the archangel was an exalted being. I thought that meant he was flesh and bone. But come to think of it Michael had not been to earth, as Adam yet. So, I guess he couldn't have a flesh and bone body. Also Since everybody who was, is, and will be on this earth will have their bodies and spirits reunited.Then those who become Angels will have to be flesh and bone Angels. Right? Sometimes I don't think things out before I post Brother Ray

[circusboy01]

Skalenfehl

Salvation does not require baptism. Salvation requires faith and repentance. Baptism is the doorway into the Celestial Kingdom, yet salvation is given to those in the Telestial and Terrestrial kingdoms, as well, without baptism.

You only have to be baptized to make it to the Celestial???

So down through the years there has been a lot of wasted Fount water.

( I know. Bad joke. I apologize.) :0) Brother Ray

[circusboy01]

Micheal was not flesh and bone before being born as Adam. In the celestial kingdom there are two kinds of beings as Joseph explains in D&C 129:

1 There are two kinds of beings in heaven, namely: Angels, who are resurrected personages, having bodies of flesh and bones—

2 For instance, Jesus said: Handle me and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

3 Secondly: the spirits of just men made perfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory.

4 When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you.

5 If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand.

6 If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear—

7 Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the order of heaven for a just man to deceive; but he will still deliver his message.

8 If it be the devil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not feel anything; you may therefore detect him.

9 These are three grand keys whereby you may know whether any administration is from God.

Point #3 Are these men who had a body, where so righteous while on earth that when they died and became spirits they were not confined to the spirit world, or are these spirits who have not had a body yet. Kind of like the Holy Ghost. Brother Ray

[skalenfehl]

Point #3 Are these men who had a body, where so righteous while on earth that when they died and became spirits they were not confined to the spirit world, or are these spirits who have not had a body yet. Kind of like the Holy Ghost. Brother Ray

They are the spirits of just men made perfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory, as highlighted above. They will come forth in the morning of the first resurrection.

[Rapidmc]

In verses 15 and 16 it says that if a man marry him a wife in the world their marriage and covenant is not in force when the are dead. Then when they are out of the world they neither marry nor given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven. Does this mean that if my wife (who is not a member) and I are not sealed in the temple we will never have a chance to know the full glory and will be angels because we did not abide in His law?

[skalenfehl]

In verses 15 and 16 it says that if a man marry him a wife in the world their marriage and covenant is not in force when the are dead. Then when they are out of the world they neither marry nor given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven. Does this mean that if my wife (who is not a member) and I are not sealed in the temple we will never have a chance to know the full glory and will be angels because we did not abide in His law?

Correct.

15 Therefore, if a man marry him a wife in the world, and he marry her not by me nor by my word, and he covenant with her so long as he is in the world and she with him, their covenant and marriage are not of force when they are dead, and when they are out of the world; therefore, they are not bound by any law when they are out of the world.

16 Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven, which angels are ministering servants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

[skalenfehl]

One more thing. You said your wife is not a member. Baptism is the gate to the celestial kingdom. Therefore, if you honor your baptismal covenant you may enter there, however, your wife may not unless she is also baptized and honers her baptismal covenant.

[circusboy01]

Correct.

15 Therefore, if a man marry him a wife in the world, and he marry her not by me nor by my word, and he covenant with her so long as he is in the world and she with him, their covenant and marriage are not of force when they are dead, and when they are out of the world; therefore, they are not bound by any law when they are out of the world.

16 Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven, which angels are ministering servants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

But there still a chance for them to make it to the Celestial Kingdom. If, while they are in the spirit world, someone living does all the things necessary by proxy. Right?

[skalenfehl]

Not if they had the chance here and refused it. We read so often in the scriptures, especially in the Book of Mormon that this life is the time to prepare to meet God. A man cannot be saved in ignorance so for those on the earth (heathens as described in D&C) who never had the law, it shall be tolerable for them, but not for anyone who knew the light and rejected it. What's more, Jesus Christ and the prophets have admonished us over and over again to build up Zion, to succor the widowsn, the fatherless and the poor, that there be no poor among us. Many struggle with tithing. Generally speaking, we are a weak and idle people. It is true that no man knows when Christ will return, but I don't believe that He will return to a people incapable or unwilling to build Zion and live therein. We simply are not ready today. But Zion will be redeemed. Fill those lamps with oil!

We can progress in Spirit Prison to a certain degree only. If someone had a chance to accept the gospel in this life and refused it, they go to Spirit Prison in the Postmortal Existence. They will have one more chance in Spirit Prison to accept the Gospel. If they do, they may inherit the Terrestrial Kingdom but that is as far as they will progress. Here's the full scope of our post mortal reward:

There are three kingdoms of glory: the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, and the telestial kingdom. The glory we inherit will depend on the depth of our conversion, expressed by our obedience to the Lord's commandments. It will depend on the manner in which we have "received the testimony of Jesus" (D&C 76:51; see also D&C 76:74, 79, 101).

Celestial Kingdom

The celestial kingdom is the highest of the three kingdoms of glory. Those in this kingdom will dwell forever in the presence of God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. This should be your goal: to inherit celestial glory and to help others receive that great blessing as well. Such a goal is not achieved in one attempt; it is the result of a lifetime of righteousness and constancy of purpose.

The celestial kingdom is the place prepared for those who have "received the testimony of Jesus" and been "made perfect through Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, who wrought out this perfect atonement through the shedding of his own blood" (D&C 76:51, 69). To inherit this gift, we must receive the ordinances of salvation, keep the commandments, and repent of our sins. For a detailed explanation of those who will inherit celestial glory, see Doctrine and Covenants 76:50–70; 76:92–96.

In January 1836 the Prophet Joseph Smith received a revelation that expanded his understanding of the requirements to inherit celestial glory. The heavens were opened to him, and he saw the celestial kingdom. He marveled when he saw his older brother Alvin there, even though Alvin had died before receiving the ordinance of baptism. (See D&C 137:1–6.) Then the voice of the Lord came to the Prophet Joseph:

"All who have died without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God; "Also all that shall die henceforth without a knowledge of it, who would have received it with all their hearts, shall be heirs of that kingdom;

"For I, the Lord, will judge all men according to their works, according to the desire of their hearts" (D&C 137:7–9).

Commenting on this revelation, the Prophet Joseph said, "I also beheld that all children who die before they arrive at the years of accountability are saved in the celestial kingdom of heaven" (D&C 137:10).

From another revelation to the Prophet Joseph, we learn that there are three degrees within the celestial kingdom. To be exalted in the highest degree and continue eternally in family relationships, we must enter into "the new and everlasting covenant of marriage" and be true to that covenant. In other words, temple marriage is a requirement for obtaining the highest degree of celestial glory. (See D&C 131:1–4.) All who are worthy to enter into the new and everlasting covenant of marriage will have that opportunity, whether in this life or the next.

Terrestrial Kingdom

Those who inherit terrestrial glory will "receive of the presence of the Son, but not of the fulness of the Father. Wherefore, they are bodies terrestrial, and not bodies celestial, and differ in glory as the moon differs from the sun" (D&C 76:77–78). Generally speaking, individuals in the terrestrial kingdom will be honorable people "who were blinded by the craftiness of men" (D&C 76:75). This group will include members of the Church who were "not valiant in the testimony of Jesus" (D&C 76:79). It will also include those who rejected the opportunity to receive the gospel in mortality but who later received it in the postmortal spirit world (see D&C 76:73–74). To learn more about those who will inherit terrestrial glory, see Doctrine and Covenants D&C 76:71–80, 91, 97.

Telestial Kingdom

Telestial glory will be reserved for individuals who "received not the gospel of Christ, neither the testimony of Jesus" (D&C 76:82). These individuals will receive their glory after being redeemed from spirit prison, which is also called hell (see D&C 76:84, D&C 76:106). A detailed explanation of those who will inherit telestial glory is found in Doctrine and Covenants 76:81–90, 98–106, 109–112.

Perdition

Some people will not be worthy to dwell in any kingdom of glory. They will be called "the sons of perdition" and will have to "abide a kingdom which is not a kingdom of glory" (D&C 76:32; 88:24). This will be the state of "those who know [God's] power, and have been made partakers thereof, and suffered themselves through the power of the devil to be overcome, and to deny the truth and defy [God's] power" (D&C 76:31; see also D&C 76:30, 32–49).

Edited August 16, 2012 by skalenfehl