Who Wears The Mitre Hat?

[Guest Starsky]

Originally posted by Tr2@Mar 18 2004, 08:46 PM

I am impressed by the level of devotion you have to your leaders. Never would I permit a pastoral authority of mine to speak into my child's life without involving me somehow. I know I'm still relatively new to this parenting thing but I do think the job of raising my kids rests on my shoulders, not a man who gives advice and says "see you next month".

This is a good point TR2. For the most part the parents have the most influence...and to the kid what the parents say will totally out weigh what the leader says.

[AFDaw]

I think some of that info is wrong Snow. My stake that I grew up in had 2 branches in it. My understanding is the membership is much lower and is called a Branch instead of a Ward. The town I was born in was a Branch until a few years ago and the Branch President did everything the Bishop did, except respond to "Hey Bishop..."

[Spencer]

I must say snow, my respect for you has gone up a notch, not that it was low to begin with, just higher now =)

Putting myself in a similar situation (even though my daughter is only 6 weeks old) I dont know if i would react the same, but I surely hope i would.

Spencer

[Guest curvette]

The more I think about it, the more I feel that I'm going to insist on being present in any private interviews with the Bishop or Bishopric members my daughters have. (Unless my daughters request the interview.) We have a great Bishop and I like all of the members of the Bishopric, but the propriety of a grown man interviewing a teenage girl alone is simply questionable. I can remember feeling very uncomfortable in those interviews as a teenager and being asked some questions that I, as a mother, feel are very inappropriate for a man to be asking a young girl.

[Guest Starsky]

Originally posted by curvette@Mar 19 2004, 09:29 AM

The more I think about it, the more I feel that I'm going to insist on being present in any private interviews with the Bishop or Bishopric members my daughters have. (Unless my daughters request the interview.) We have a great Bishop and I like all of the members of the Bishopric, but the propriety of a grown man interviewing a teenage girl alone is simply questionable. I can remember feeling very uncomfortable in those interviews as a teenager and being asked some questions that I, as a mother, feel are very inappropriate for a man to be asking a young girl.

After our teen-age son and daughter were told by our bishop (this was nearly 8 years ago and that bishop was out about 3 years after) that if they didn't confess to a certain sexual sin...they wouldn't be allowed to leave his office....

we always insisted that one of us was allowed to be in the room, or at least another member of the Bishopric of our choosing during their interviews... (though my daughter refused to go back to church until after he was released and moved away)....

[Guest curvette]

Originally posted by Peace@Mar 19 2004, 09:35 AM

After our teen-age son and daughter were told by our bishop (this was nearly 8 years ago and that bishop was out about 3 years after) that if they didn't confess to a certain sexual sin...they wouldn't be allowed to leave his office....

I never experienced anything like that. What a weirdo! I think most Bishops are good people, just trying to do the right thing. Still, I can remember feeling uncomfortable just being behind a closed door with a man I didn't know very well. Simply the scenario is inappropriate in my view. I'm surprised more mothers don't share my view. (or maybe they do and just don't say anything about it.)

[Snow]

Originally posted by AFDaw@Mar 19 2004, 05:27 AM

I think some of that info is wrong Snow. My stake that I grew up in had 2 branches in it. My understanding is the membership is much lower and is called a Branch instead of a Ward. The town I was born in was a Branch until a few years ago and the Branch President did everything the Bishop did, except respond to "Hey Bishop..."

I don't think that anything I said is different than what you are saying, except, though a Bishop's current duties may be the same as a Branch Pres, I believe they hold different keys... isn't a Bishop also called to serve as a judge in Zion?

[Snow]

Originally posted by Peace@Mar 19 2004, 09:35 AM

After our teen-age son and daughter were told by our bishop (this was nearly 8 years ago and that bishop was out about 3 years after) that if they didn't confess to a certain sexual sin...they wouldn't be allowed to leave his office....

That's odd but is a non-issue for me or my kids. Since it isn't the Bishop that allows or restricts physical movement, who cares what they say about it.

It's like my manicurist telling me that she won't permit me to join the Moose Lodge. That's odd but who cares?

[Snow]

Originally posted by Tr2@Mar 18 2004, 08:46 PM

I am impressed by the level of devotion you have to your leaders. Never would I permit a pastoral authority of mine to speak into my child's life without involving me somehow

Obviously some Mormons wouldn't like it either, judging by the response here, but I have always been blessed either with good leaders or the good sense not to care to much if they don't do their job perfectly. I kind of view it all (the Church) as one giant family with all the love, fighting, crazy uncles and drama that any large and enthusiatic family might have.

Spencer,

Thanks for the kind words.

[AFDaw]

Originally posted by Snow+Mar 19 2004, 12:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Mar 19 2004, 12:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--AFDaw@Mar 19 2004, 05:27 AM

I think some of that info is wrong Snow.  My stake that I grew up in had 2 branches in it.  My understanding is the membership is much lower and is called a Branch instead of a Ward.  The town I was born in was a Branch until a few years ago and the Branch President did everything the Bishop did, except respond to  "Hey Bishop..."

I don't think that anything I said is different than what you are saying, except, though a Bishop's current duties may be the same as a Branch Pres, I believe they hold different keys... isn't a Bishop also called to serve as a judge in Zion?

I was actually referring more to your statement of Wards only being were stakes were established. I grew up in the Charlotte Central Stake and we had a Shelby Branch and My grandmother was in the Salisbury Branch in the Winston Salem Stake.

[Snow]

Originally posted by AFDaw@Mar 19 2004, 01:50 PM

I was actually referring more to your statement of Wards only being were stakes were established. I grew up in the Charlotte Central Stake and we had a Shelby Branch and My grandmother was in the Salisbury Branch in the Winston Salem Stake.

I still think I said it correctly.

Wards only exist where there are stakes. Branches usually exist where there are districts instead of stakes but that there may be branches inside of a stake too.

[AFDaw]

Originally posted by Snow@Mar 19 2004, 03:18 PM

I still think I said it correctly.

Wards only exist where there are stakes. Branches usually exist where there are districts instead of stakes but that there may be branches inside of a stake too.

?? You're confusing me :)

I was in a stake and we had a 1 branch and 6 wards.

[Snow]

What's confusing.

Although six branches inside a stake is unusual, it can happen. What can't happen is a ward without a stake.

[AFDaw]

I see what I'm mis-reading. I thought you were saying a branch ONLY existed in a district.

[Tr2]

Obviously some Mormons wouldn't like it either, judging by the response here, but I have always been blessed either with good leaders or the good sense not to care to much if they don't do their job perfectly. I kind of view it all (the Church) as one giant family with all the love, fighting, crazy uncles and drama that any large and enthusiatic family might have.

Then why did you begin this thread? You appeared to have a problem with this until I appeared to be on your side on this one.

[Guest bizabra]

Originally posted by Peace+Mar 19 2004, 09:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peace @ Mar 19 2004, 09:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--curvette@Mar 19 2004, 09:29 AM

The more I think about it, the more I feel that I'm going to insist on being present in any private interviews with the Bishop or Bishopric members my daughters have.  (Unless my daughters request the interview.)  We have a great Bishop and I like all of the members of the Bishopric, but the propriety of a grown man interviewing a teenage girl alone is simply questionable.  I can remember feeling very uncomfortable in those interviews as a teenager and being asked some questions that I, as a mother, feel are very inappropriate for a man to be asking a young girl.

After our teen-age son and daughter were told by our bishop (this was nearly 8 years ago and that bishop was out about 3 years after) that if they didn't confess to a certain sexual sin...they wouldn't be allowed to leave his office....

we always insisted that one of us was allowed to be in the room, or at least another member of the Bishopric of our choosing during their interviews... (though my daughter refused to go back to church until after he was released and moved away)....

Good for her!

[Snow]

Originally posted by Tr2@Mar 19 2004, 06:57 PM

Then why did you begin this thread? You appeared to have a problem with this until I appeared to be on your side on this one.

Have a problem with what?

I appreciate your comments on this thread and hear what you are saying but I'm not sure where your headed now. My thinking in making the post was:

-some might think the Bishop overstepped his bounds

-my daughter is a fairly well-trained clear thinker and listens to other opinions and then decides herself

-I thought it was funny that the Bishop said it was good to date "lots of boys" but not exclusively unless he was a returned missionary -- his advice was good but the returned missionary part was about 3 to 5 years premature.

[Guest TheProudDuck]

Originally posted by Peace+Mar 19 2004, 09:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peace @ Mar 19 2004, 09:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--curvette@Mar 19 2004, 09:29 AM

The more I think about it, the more I feel that I'm going to insist on being present in any private interviews with the Bishop or Bishopric members my daughters have.  (Unless my daughters request the interview.)  We have a great Bishop and I like all of the members of the Bishopric, but the propriety of a grown man interviewing a teenage girl alone is simply questionable.  I can remember feeling very uncomfortable in those interviews as a teenager and being asked some questions that I, as a mother, feel are very inappropriate for a man to be asking a young girl.

After our teen-age son and daughter were told by our bishop (this was nearly 8 years ago and that bishop was out about 3 years after) that if they didn't confess to a certain sexual sin...they wouldn't be allowed to leave his office....

we always insisted that one of us was allowed to be in the room, or at least another member of the Bishopric of our choosing during their interviews... (though my daughter refused to go back to church until after he was released and moved away)....

Did the bish have any reason to suspect your son and daughter of having done something?

Or was it a case of the bishop figuring that the particular unnamed "sexual sin" was something that 9 out of 10 "commit" and the rest lie about, so he could just take a shot in the dark and hit something?

[Tr2]

Snow's 1st Post;

First, who died and made the Bishop my daughter's father?

Second, my daughter ain't dating no 22 year old returned missionaries.

Third, my little walking shoes are styling, aren't they.

Forth, my daughter already has dated.

Fifth, there is no fifth.

Snow's most recent post;

-some might think the Bishop overstepped his bounds

-my daughter is a fairly well-trained clear thinker and listens to other opinions and then decides herself

-I thought it was funny that the Bishop said it was good to date "lots of boys" but not exclusively unless he was a returned missionary -- his advice was good but the returned missionary part was about 3 to 5 years premature

Is this the same person writing here?

[Maureen]

Originally posted by Tr2@Mar 19 2004, 08:30 PM

Is this the same person writing here?

Not quite. If you follow the thread Snow starts off as the Dad and eventually morphs into the MOM (his remark about the pretty shoes should have given us the hint that something was up).

M.

[Guest bizabra]

Originally posted by Snow+Mar 18 2004, 05:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Mar 18 2004, 05:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Maureen@Mar 18 2004, 01:16 PM

The MOM? Snow, when did this happen?

Ya'll all have noticed my shoes haven't you.

A Branch President is like a Bishop but is a different priesthood calling and does the same type of job over a smaller congregation - a branch, instead of a ward. Wards exist only where stakes are established.

Maybe I am just easier to get along with than ya'll but I got a kick out of the Bishops counsel, he has the best of intentions....

Snow, I'm listening to Madonna singing "Sky Fits Heaven" from her Ray of Light

album. Your pretty prancing shoes are a PERFECT visual with this song! I LIKE it!

(note to self: Put away the red Barbie "voodoo" shoes you planned to use to replace the Siderman figurine in torturing Snow. The congruity is too good to punish him)

Namaste, Snow. . . . . . . .

[Snow]

Originally posted by bizabra@Mar 21 2004, 01:28 AM

Snow, I'm listening to Madonna singing "Sky Fits Heaven" from her Ray of Light

album. Your pretty prancing shoes are a PERFECT visual with this song! I LIKE it!

(note to self: Put away the red Barbie "voodoo" shoes you planned to use to replace the Siderman figurine in torturing Snow. The congruity is too good to punish him)

Namaste, Snow. . . . . . . .

I think the feet actually belong to Tori Amos. I have never been a foot man nor a Tori Amos fan but now I may be a bit of both.

These feet are made for walk'n

and that's just what they'll do.

One of these these feet are gonna

walk all over you.