Stages of Grief

[ElectofGod]

Deleted this part of the thread. Something felt off about it.

7 STAGES OF GRIEF

Because my title was wrong here is a random website

Edited July 9, 2013 by ElectofGod

[Leah]

I'm confused. Why did you call this "stages of grief"?

[Anddenex]

I am inline with Leah. They appear to me more as stages of progression, rather than stages of grief. I am also not sure why he would share that stage 3 views two other stages as apostate.

If I chose a stage, I would be somewhere between stage 5 and 6.

[NeuroTypical]

"Grief" doesn't make any sense.

Historically, whenever there's killing or dying going on, State 3 has been the best stage for recruiting armies and bodyguards and zealots willing to die for the cause and whatnot.

[Just_A_Guy]

Hey - any paradigm that lets me feel spiritually superior to those rubes who actually take the Church seriously and lets me march to my own drummer by dismissing the Church as a beloved but out-of-touch and slightly daffy grandparent, is ok by me.

On a more sincere note: We do not "outgrow" acceptance of the Church's truth claims, authority, and relevance to our personal lives. We grow into it. If we'd just use the tools the Church gives us to approach Christ, rather than let ourselves become obsessed with how quickly we can evolve into a more "nuanced" view of the Church itself, I think we'd be pleasantly surprised at the results.

Edited July 9, 2013 by Just_A_Guy

[Suzie]

I think he meant "Stages of Faith".

[Guest]

Hogwash.

[ElectofGod]

Yes I meant Stages of Faith.

On a more sincere note: We do not "outgrow" acceptance of the Church's truth claims, authority, and relevance to our personal lives. We grow into it. If we'd just use the tools the Church gives us to approach Christ, rather than let ourselves become obsessed with how quickly we can evolve into a more "nuanced" view of the Church itself, I think we'd be pleasantly surprised at the results.

I agree with you here.

No where in these stages does this happen except stage 4. Stage four is where one becomes "apostates" (sometimes, it may happen other places) or progresses to accept that everything around them is not perfect but realizes its still part of God's plan. I have met many people who fight against the church because they never gain that conversion to overcome the three trials we all must overcome. Thus they become stuck in stage 4 as written in the post.

The temptations that one fall into, Parable of the sower.

Luke 8:4-8, "And a great crowd coming together, and those in each city coming to him, he spoke by a parable: A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the wayside; and it was trampled down, and the birds of the air devoured it. And some fell on rock; and as soon as it sprang up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture. And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up with it and choked it. And others fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit a hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, he who has ears to hear, let him hear!"

Truman G Madsen (or Nibley?) talks aboubt this. I just googled to find it but found a blog that expounds on it so I will copy it below so I don't have to summarize it myself.

G: Greed and Getting Gain (plus the power wealth brings)

P: Popularity, Prominence, Praise of Men, Pride, Power (at least the influence part) (Becoming offended by others)

A: Appetites and Addictions

Get Gain ——- Prosperity (both spiritual and temporal)

Pride ———— Knowledge (of who we really are)

Appetites ——- Joy (“unto the overpowering of the bodies”)

[The blog i linked goes further and applies it to other temptations as well... ]New Cool Thang » How’s Your GPA? (Satan Wants to Know…)

I based this segmentation of sin categories on the New Testament (Matthew) account of the temptations of Christ just prior to His ministry. In it the Devil’s game plan is laid for all to see.

A = Temptation #1

This is the least difficult to overcome. For Christ it was the temptation to eat after a 40-day fast. For Mormons it is the litany of appetites we are required to suppress in order to keep our covenants. Our Babylonian world constantly beckons us to partake in appealing but destructive and addictive behaviors – from drugs (of all kind), to gambling, to pornography and other sexual transgressions.

P = Temptation #2

This one is more tempting. For Christ it was the temptation to abuse His power. He was tempted to show off – to prove who He was and get the resulting respect and praise. For Mormons the requirements to get the respect and praise of men are ever at odds with the requirements to get the respect and praise of God. Or become offended!

G = Temptation #3

This is the most tempting of them all. For Christ it was the offer of all the treasures and kingdoms of the world in exchange for worshipping the Devil. For Mormons the basics of the offer remain the same: If we devote all of our time, talents and energy to obtaining wealth and its associated power and trappings we might get it – but we’ll lose our soul in the process.

Edited July 9, 2013 by ElectofGod

[ElectofGod]

I am inline with Leah. They appear to me more as stages of progression, rather than stages of grief. I am also not sure why he would share that stage 3 views two other stages as apostate.

If I chose a stage, I would be somewhere between stage 5 and 6.

For the same reasons Joseph Smith told Brigham Young, if I told you all that I knew you would want to kill me. Thats my guess anyways.