Modeling The Home After The Church

[zshallr]

FATHERS USING THE CHURCHES MODEL IN THE HOME: As a father I would first instruct all family members to recognize me as infallible and incapable of erroring. I'd silence all those who strongly disagreed with me. If they continued to speak against my teachings I'd remove them from my house without a fair trial and without them having a chance to defend their position (because the verdict would already be decided). If anyone mentioned the teachings of family ancestors whom disagreed with me, I would remind them the ancestors are dead and I’m living. Using these teachings as my highest doctrine I would teach them to the priesthood holders of my family knowing that they too will someday be fathers and leaders. This would surely strengthen and secure my position with future generations because I would be the highest living authority in the family. I'd construct myself a half billion dollar house with a sentimental podium that I would address my family from. All spending and finances would be in total secret and under my full discretion. I would invest the excess funds as I saw fit without first disclosing or consulting family members and without considering the wants and needs of my family members. The children would all sing, or chant, follow our dad, follow our dad, follow our dad and we'll never be led astray. This would hopefully get the point across that I'm the way back to our Father in Heaven because if it is by my voice or the voice of God it is the same. Not some other guy, but me. Follow me. I'm the way and again it’s impossible for me to lead my family astray.

Anyone in their right mind would see the loss of priesthood in such a home yet we put up and "defend" such teachings in the church. Those who still see fit to justify such teachings should read D&C 121 for a refresher.

[CrimsonKairos]

Hey z, here's an idea. Instead of inundating us with posts (insightful though they may sometimes be), why not introduce yourself, let us get to know you...y'know, fellowship. Your words might carry greater weight if we knew who was saying them. No, no, not your real name or address.

Are you single? Married? What do you do for a living? What do you do for fun? C'mon...spill it bro. B)

[Guest mamacat]

FATHERS USING THE CHURCHES MODEL IN THE HOME: As a father I would first instruct all family members to recognize me as infallible and incapable of erroring. I'd silence all those who strongly disagreed with me. If they continued to speak against my teachings I'd remove them from my house without a fair trial and without them having a chance to defend their position (because the verdict would already be decided). If anyone mentioned the teachings of family ancestors whom disagreed with me, I would remind them the ancestors are dead and I’m living. Using these teachings as my highest doctrine I would teach them to the priesthood holders of my family knowing that they too will someday be fathers and leaders. This would surely strengthen and secure my position with future generations because I would be the highest living authority in the family. I'd construct myself a half billion dollar house with a sentimental podium that I would address my family from. All spending and finances would be in total secret and under my full discretion. I would invest the excess funds as I saw fit without first disclosing or consulting family members and without considering the wants and needs of my family members. The children would all sing, or chant, follow our dad, follow our dad, follow our dad and we'll never be led astray. This would hopefully get the point across that I'm the way back to our Father in Heaven because if it is by my voice or the voice of God it is the same. Not some other guy, but me. Follow me. I'm the way and again it’s impossible for me to lead my family astray.

haha....this actually sounds uncomfortably similar to my ex-husband's perspective. sans the sarcasm/humor that one might discern in saying such a thing. he truly believes in this sort of status as his right as head of household.

i keep trying to invite him to church with us and to read the Book of Mormon, in an effort to perhaps show him that there is a way to be happy, and to learn how not to hate and be so enragingly dissatisfied with everything, from his life, to his job, to his parents, to a four year old behaving as a four year old will, and not as a mature adult, et al.

if he were to read Zshallr's words, he might just be convinced.

seriously though...i find something of a contradiction here, in that Zshallr makes this grandiose comparison between the church leadership and a father as head of household as a sarcastic criticism of the church. however, in his Priesthood Abuse thread he states that "Church leadership authority has no bearing whatsoever upon God's hierarchy when dealing with and inspiring the on goings in a family. It's an established doctrine in our church that the husband is recognized by God as the ranking authority in every home on earth. He is God's oracle in this one-and-only enduring institution, for all other institutions, including the LDS Church, will have an end."

and i believe he says this in all seriousness. but funny how this sounds almost exactly the same as the above statement, rendered toungue-in-cheek, " I'm the way back to our Father in Heaven because if it is by my voice or the voice of God it is the same." it appears that he is disgruntled with the Priesthood for having a say in the both our family lives and the church. Zshallr's intentions in this forum seem questionable at best. what is the purpose of the church and the Priesthood, if not to give families direction and guidance?

reading Zshallr's words is like a serious mind-ravage. funny, my ex-husband used quite a similar technique, on more than a few occasions, when we were married. after we were separated, he screamed numerous times at me that the LDS church is a cult and full of child molestors....however, it appears to me that that is what those who use cult tactics would like us to believe, to keep us from knowing truth, and having access to the guiding clarity of the Holy Spirit.

perhaps that is Zshallr's intention as well.

[a-train]

You could have posted that in 2007, 1950, 1850, 50, or 500 BCE. The notion and it's subscribers have always been the same: 'The old prophets had it right and I interpret their teachings right, you new prophets don't. You guys are just trying to have power over us. You guys are deceptive and evil. I am going to follow the old prophets who taught the real truth!'

We already had a thread for this, but the newb showed up just a hair late.

-a-train

[Guest Username-Removed]

Z,

Two big thumbs down .... Way too many memories of my evil dad when I was growing up. This is one of those times you wish you could block a members posts - Parental controls for adults!

Tic Toc - More like this and Im outa here. Mods, are you listening????

[Gwen]

Z,

Two big thumbs down .... Way too many memories of my evil dad when I was growing up. This is one of those times you wish you could block a members posts - Parental controls for adults!

Tic Toc - More like this and Im outa here. Mods, are you listening????

word,

don't worry about this one. i too was disgusted when i read this post. it's one thing to have a legitimate concern or to vent, but this is almost worse than a troll. i've never seen or read anywhere in which the church operates or has instructed any home to operate this way. not saying there aren't some ppl that have gone astray and haven't tried it or maybe even some units that have gotten off course. but this was uncalled for. if there is a unit that is really that far off course there are ways to spend your time fixing the problem and this fourm does not have that authority. i've noticed that z has participated in little discussion, simply posts rants and then sits back. z does make the claim that there is no ill will toward any priesthood holders..........i think not. going to take more than one sentance to convince me that there is no chip on that shoulder.

if you leave, something to think about before you make a decision, then all you do is increase the creditability of the rants to those that don't know better because there will be no alternate perspective to balance it out. not saying all things should be commented on or foolishness should be combated. but by making appropriate truthful, honest comments elsewhere, experiance will teach that this is the exception not the rule. i think that is a big part of why the church encourages us to be envolved in the comunity. not to combat every falsehood about the chruch but that most members are trying to do what is right and ppl that meet them will know that. their lives and expamples will combat those falsehoods, sometimes no response is needed.

[Traveler]

FATHERS USING THE CHURCHES MODEL IN THE HOME: As a father I would first instruct all family members to recognize me as infallible and incapable of erroring. I'd silence all those who strongly disagreed with me. If they continued to speak against my teachings I'd remove them from my house without a fair trial and without them having a chance to defend their position (because the verdict would already be decided). If anyone mentioned the teachings of family ancestors whom disagreed with me, I would remind them the ancestors are dead and I’m living. Using these teachings as my highest doctrine I would teach them to the priesthood holders of my family knowing that they too will someday be fathers and leaders. This would surely strengthen and secure my position with future generations because I would be the highest living authority in the family. I'd construct myself a half billion dollar house with a sentimental podium that I would address my family from. All spending and finances would be in total secret and under my full discretion. I would invest the excess funds as I saw fit without first disclosing or consulting family members and without considering the wants and needs of my family members. The children would all sing, or chant, follow our dad, follow our dad, follow our dad and we'll never be led astray. This would hopefully get the point across that I'm the way back to our Father in Heaven because if it is by my voice or the voice of God it is the same. Not some other guy, but me. Follow me. I'm the way and again it’s impossible for me to lead my family astray.

Anyone in their right mind would see the loss of priesthood in such a home yet we put up and "defend" such teachings in the church. Those who still see fit to justify such teachings should read D&C 121 for a refresher.

Sadly there are some people that believe things like this. I would first state that the description is more accurate of Satan and Satan’s vision of his G-dhood. It is not an accurate description of Christ and his sacrifice on the cross. Nor is it an accurate of description of Joseph Smith and what he endured to open up the restoration.

Now I do not know of Jesus and Joseph as I do know some apostles, many stake presidents and bishops. All of these men have given up much more than they gained by their church positions. Brother Packer was a school chum of my mother and some of my uncles. I know of his giving heart and know for a fact that he is much more the less in financial and worldly things to serve in the church. I also know of the humanitarian efforts of the LDS are not understood by many – like this poster.

I do not mind criticism of the church and it leaders when the critic offers a better example of a church (or organization) and its leaders as the better example. Where is that church with a longer lasting and more successful welfare program, a youth program that can produce better and more successful missionaries at the age of 19? Better helps in teaching and a better program for families than family home evening. Marriages more devoted to family values and members more devoted to their faith.

Goodness – even Satan can criticize G-d but he will never demonstrate a better example – and that is why he will always fail.

The Traveler

[Dr T]

Goodness – even Satan can criticize G-d but he will never demonstrate a better example – and that is why he will always fail.

Amen :)

[Outshined]

If only my home functioned like the Church all the time: full of love and wisdom, inspired, centered on Christ, organized, and focused...

*sigh*...