A Couple Deep Thoughts I've Had.

[Maureen]

I enjoyed reading your post CK and I'm going to have to agree with everything you said. I might have to copy and save it. :)

M.

[tiancum]

Very well put CK.

I struggle a bit with some of the theories of the atonement. People state that it happened in the Garden....

I believe that it was the official start. Now by saying that, i do not mean that he was not God before...And many of the things only a God could do....but this is what made it impossible to dwell in an imperfect tabernacle any more.

I Believe it started in the Garden, and finished when he received his immortal body a few days later.

Going through what he did brought him to a point that he could not be constrained within a mortal tabernacle any more. He started in the Garden to do something that only a God could do for ALL of us, and started to leave behind his mortal body then. It could not house Him any more. It was not capable, and so he began the process of leaving it behind.

I do not believe that HF was so sad that he had to run away and go hide in some vacant part of the universe. NOPE that aint my Father. nor His. I know that His father was indeed with him EVERY minute, and angels also. we do not have the full acount of what Gabriel said to him, but there were many more, and the father was there too.

It is my theory that the father didn't leave when he was on the cross at all. He merely took a step back so that our savior could see things he wouldn't if His father was by his side. Beautiful things, and sacred endearing things. That is all I want to say about that.

[CrimsonKairos]

I don't think God had to run to some corner of the universe either when Christ was on the cross.

I think God withdrew any support or strengthening influence from Christ so Jesus could complete the suffering on his own. I'm sure God was watching Jesus, as was the Holy Ghost.

Copy and save whatever you want, Maureen. I'm glad you found my comments sound. I'm still working out the details in my mind about how I think the atonement works, but I've simply come to think that the suffering that makes remission of sin possible was mostly, if not all, on the cross.

I sound positively Protestant compared with what I was taught growing up. But, the scriptures (including the LDS canon) are fairly compelling in their unified message: the cross was the bitter cup.

[Adomini22]

Well, also we know that when he was on the cross, he was doing alot more than what a mortal eye can see. You think Satan wasnt doing anything while Christ was completing his mission? Man, the devil was pounding him from start to finish with everything he got.