Torostoros Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 HiI'm looking for a quote by an LDS leader. I think it's Pres. Packer but am not even close to certain of that.The crux of the quote (I think it's about five or six sentences long) is to address the fallacy that those that commit sin (esp. major sin) and repent are somehow then more enlightened/advanced than those that chose to live obediently and not sin in the first place.Any help is appreciatedThanks Quote
Capitalist_Oinker Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 Elder Packer may have said something to that effect, but if he did I'm betting he was quoting President Kimball, who wrote in his book (The Miracle of Forgiveness): "Another error into which some transgressors fall, because of the availability of God's forgiveness, is the illusion that they are somehow stronger for having committed sin and then lived through the period of repentance. This simply is not true. That man who resists temptation and lives without sin is far better off than the man who has fallen, no matter how repentant the latter may be. … His sin and repentance have certainly not made him stronger than the consistently righteous person." Elder Dallin H. Oaks gave an address at BYU in 1990 (See the July 1992 Ensign) where he said this:"Some Latter-day Saints who wrongly think repentance is easy maintain that a person is better off after he has sinned and repented. "Get a little experience with sin," one argument goes, “and then you will be better able to counsel and sympathize with others. You can always repent.”I plead with you, my brothers and sisters, my young friends and my older friends, avoid transgression! The idea that one can deliberately sin and easily repent or that one is better off after sinning and repenting are devilish lies of the adversary." Hope this helps! Torostoros 1 Quote
askandanswer Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 Thanks oinker, now I know where to go if I ever have a similar question - that's a pretty good quality service you provide :) Quote
Palerider Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 Thanks oinker, now I know where to go if I ever have a similar question - that's a pretty good quality service you provide :)He hasn't sent you a bill yet for the services provided .... Lol Just_A_Guy 1 Quote
Torostoros Posted March 26, 2015 Author Report Posted March 26, 2015 The Kimball quote provided is the one I was looking for! Thank you Capitalist_Oinker Quote
askandanswer Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 He hasn't sent you a bill yet for the services provided .... LolI wonder whose bill would be bigger - a capitalist oinker or just_a_guy lawyer? Quote
pam Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 I wonder whose bill would be bigger - a capitalist oinker or just_a_guy lawyer? I have the right to remain silent. Just_A_Guy 1 Quote
Just_A_Guy Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 I'm usually happy to help gratis, but there are certainly lawyers who would have a more cynical take about things. Like this: mordorbund 1 Quote
pam Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 Hahaha that was great. But now I can't get the freaking song out of my head. So now you are in my head so I'm going to be billing you. :) Quote
Palerider Posted March 27, 2015 Report Posted March 27, 2015 I have the right to remain silent.That would be a first. Lol askandanswer 1 Quote
Palerider Posted March 27, 2015 Report Posted March 27, 2015 I wonder whose bill would be bigger - a capitalist oinker or just_a_guy lawyer?Don't forget .... I am the Tax man around these parts....that's how I get paid .... Quote
Just_A_Guy Posted March 27, 2015 Report Posted March 27, 2015 Hahaha that was great. But now I can't get the freaking song out of my head. So now you are in my head so I'm going to be billing you. :) As a public service, the following is guaranteed to get the song from my previous post, out of your head: (Wait--now this one's stuck in your head? Sheesh--no pleasing you people!) Quote
pam Posted March 27, 2015 Report Posted March 27, 2015 Oh my heck. One of my Bishop's in San Diego is now a federal judge here in Utah. :) Quote
Capitalist_Oinker Posted March 27, 2015 Report Posted March 27, 2015 I wonder whose bill would be bigger - a capitalist oinker or just_a_guy lawyer? I believe we can surmise the answer to this question by consulting the scriptures. In the 7th chapter of Luke we read: 40. And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he said, Master, say on.41. There was a certain Capitalist which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.42. And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, had this man been a lawyer, would he have forgiven the debt?43. Simon answered and said, are you kidding me! He would have had both of them thrown into jail until they paid the uttermost farthing. 44. And Jesus said unto him, thou hast rightly judged. There's no need for any of you to look this up. I'm certain I copied it correctly. askandanswer 1 Quote
pam Posted March 27, 2015 Report Posted March 27, 2015 That would be a first. Lol You know the drill. Quote
askandanswer Posted March 28, 2015 Report Posted March 28, 2015 I believe we can surmise the answer to this question by consulting the scriptures. In the 7th chapter of Luke we read: 40. And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he said, Master, say on.41. There was a certain Capitalist which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.42. And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, had this man been a lawyer, would he have forgiven the debt?43. Simon answered and said, are you kidding me! He would have had both of them thrown into jail until they paid the uttermost farthing. 44. And Jesus said unto him, thou hast rightly judged. There's no need for any of you to look this up. I'm certain I copied it correctly. A capitalist with only two debtors? That doesn't sound quite right. And a capitalist who forgives debts? Surely the true and proper course of events is that the capitalist hires the lawyer to recover the debts and the lawyer' then charges more than the amount that was recovered. Quote
askandanswer Posted March 28, 2015 Report Posted March 28, 2015 Oh my heck. One of my Bishop's in San Diego is now a federal judge here in Utah. :) Will you be going in to hiding? pam 1 Quote
Capitalist_Oinker Posted March 28, 2015 Report Posted March 28, 2015 A capitalist with only two debtors? That doesn't sound quite right. And a capitalist who forgives debts? Surely the true and proper course of events is that the capitalist hires the lawyer to recover the debts and the lawyer' then charges more than the amount that was recovered. Whoa! When you start questioning the scriptures you're on the road to apostasy, pal. Quote
askandanswer Posted March 28, 2015 Report Posted March 28, 2015 Whoa! When you start questioning the scriptures you're on the road to apostasy, pal. and who will I find at the end of the road? a capitalist or a lawyer? :) Quote
Capitalist_Oinker Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 and who will I find at the end of the road? a capitalist or a lawyer? :) Well, theoretically it would be a capitalist since no lawyer ever advanced beyond the heathen stage. askandanswer 1 Quote
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