The Golden Rule

[Doctor Steuss]

Some might dig this (I certainly do). I love it when a truth transcends denominational/sectarian/religious barriers...

Baha’i Faith:

“Lay not on any soul a load that you would not wish to be laid upon you, and desire not for anyone the things you would not desire for yourself” – Baha’u’llah, Gleanings

Hinduism:

“This is the sum of duty: do not do to others what would cause pain if done to you.” – Mahabharata 5:1517

Buddhism:

“Treat not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful.” – Udana-Varga 5.18

Confucianism:

“One word which sums up the basis of all good conduct… loving kindness. Do not do to others what you do not want done to yourself.” -- Confucius, Analects 15.23

Taoism:

“Regard your neighbor’s gain as your own gain, and your neighbor’s loss as your own loss.” T’ai Shang Kan, Ying P’ien, 213-218

Sikhism:

“I am a stranger to no one; and no one is a stranger to me. Indeed, I am a friend to all.” – Guru Granth Sahib, pg. 1299

Christianity:

“In everything, do to others as you would have them do to you; for this is the law of the prophets.” – Jesus, Matthew 7:12

Unitarianism:

“We affirm and promote respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.” – Unitarian principle

Native Spirituality:

“We are as much alive as we keep the earth alive” – Chief Dan George

Zoroastrianism:

“Do not do unto others whatever is injurious to yourself.” – Shayast-na-Shayast 13.29

Jainism:

“One should treat all creatures in the world as one would like to be treated.” -- Mahazira, Sutrakritanga

Judaism:

“What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. This is the whole Torah; all the rest is commentary.” – Hillel, Talmud, Shabbal 31a

Islam:

“Not one of you truly believes until you wish for others what you wish for yourself.” – The Prophet Mohammed, Hadith

[Gabelma]

the Pagan faiths also believe in do no harm

[Guest Yediyd]

I does not do any good to know the golden rule unless you know the Golden Ruler!!!

[Elphaba]

I does not do any good to know the golden rule unless you know the Golden Ruler!!!

Yediyd! You're back! I missed you so much.

What do you mean in your statement here?

Love ya,

Elphie

[Dr T]

Golden Rule: "He who has the gold rules." Is that what you mean?

[Palerider]

knowing the Bible is of little benefit...unless you practise it.........

[Guest Yediyd]

<div class='quotemain'>I does not do any good to know the golden rule unless you know the Golden Ruler!!!

Yediyd! You're back! I missed you so much.

What do you mean in your statement here?

Love ya,

Elphie I'm around...it is just that I have "cycled" into my books for awhile!!! I am half finished with Rough Stone Rolling, I finished the Emma Smith one, and now I have this Porter Rockwell bio. by Richard Dewey that I want to read, plus I have been reading my scriptures online and I am already six months ahead of my read through the standard works in a year schedule....so, you see....I have less time to play up here as my books have my attention for now....I pop in still, and I went to the beach today...My kids are both sun burnt...poor Mikey!!! He is especially suffering!!! I tried to put sun block on him...but he was "too cool", now he sees the wisdom in my wanting to put it on him!!! A painful lesson!!! I spent the afternoon lurking in the shallow water, looking for pretty stones to put in my aquarium at home. ( I boil all rocks and things before adding them to my aquarium)...it was a nice day!!! I'm a little sun burnt, too...but I used sunblock, so I am not suffering like my poor son is tonight!!! My neighbor gave us some tea bags too put on it...something about the tannic acid, she said it would help.

Anyway...the quote: It is just one of my many quotes that I collect and I thought it was appropriate here.

Jesus is the Golden Ruler...he is the door to Heaven...all the good works in the world will do you no good till you have a personal relationship with the Golden Ruler.

[Palerider]

<div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotemain'>I does not do any good to know the golden rule unless you know the Golden Ruler!!!

Yediyd! You're back! I missed you so much.

What do you mean in your statement here?

Love ya,

Elphie I'm around...it is just that I have "cycled" into my books for awhile!!! I am half finished with Rough Stone Rolling, I finished the Emma Smith one, and now I have this Porter Rockwell bio. by Richard Dewey that I want to read, plus I have been reading my scriptures online and I am already six months ahead of my read through the standard works in a year schedule....so, you see....I have less time to play up here as my books have my attention for now....I pop in still, and I went to the beach today...My kids are both sun burnt...poor Mikey!!! He is especially suffering!!! I tried to put sun block on him...but he was "too cool", now he sees the wisdom in my wanting to put it on him!!! A painful lesson!!! I spent the afternoon lurking in the shallow water, looking for pretty stones to put in my aquarium at home. ( I boil all rocks and things before adding them to my aquarium)...it was a nice day!!! I'm a little sun burnt, too...but I used sunblock, so I am not suffering like my poor son is tonight!!! My neighbor gave us some tea bags too put on it...something about the tannic acid, she said it would help.

Anyway...the quote: It is just one of my many quotes that I collect and I thought it was appropriate here.

Jesus is the Golden Ruler...he is the door to Heaven...all the good works in the world will do you no good till you have a personal relationship with the Golden Ruler.

I love Porter Rockwell......have read his bio and have 3 other books about him also.....

[Guest Yediyd]

I love Porter Rockwell......have read his bio and have 3 other books about him also.....

I do too! He is the modern day Peter!!! And he reminds me of my brother!!! I love my brother...but you have to get to know him to understand him!! He is a hillbilly, redneck, good hearted guy...but he is loud, opinionated, and obnoxious too!!! He has a heart of gold, though!!! He would give the shirt off his back for a total stranger!!! My kids like that new show: My name is Earl...because it reminds them of there Uncle Hokie....yes, Hokie!!! I told ya we were a bunch of rednecks!!! I don't let them watch that Earl show though...I didn't like some of the content...but you get the idea...I love Porter Rockwell too!!!!!

[Palerider]

I love his dedication and commitment to the prophet Joseph Smith and later Brigham.

[Guest Yediyd]

I love his dedication and commitment to the prophet Joseph Smith and later Brigham.

Me too!!! He was a pit bull!!!

"Peter Rockwell"

[Alaskagain]

white vinegar for the sunburn, Yed. takes the burn out.

glad you got out for a day of fun

[Guest Yediyd]

white vinegar for the sunburn, Yed. takes the burn out.

glad you got out for a day of fun

Tried that!! He stayed in the tub about two minuets!!! I should have just rubbed the vinegar on him...but I made a vinegar bath for him instead...he whined that it made it sting worse!!! Ughhh!!! He is asleep now...he should be better tomorrow...I tried to warn him!!! He would not listen to his mother!! He is 13, and I'm suddenly an idiot!!!!

[Iggy]

He is 13, and I'm suddenly an idiot!!!!

again - you will continue to get dumber and dumber until he either becomes a parent himself or turns 50. Sometimes they discover Mom is not so dumb when they hit 40. At least that has been my observation regarding my brothers and our Mom.

Now of course I never thought my Mother was dumb - Nooooooo, just stupid. That is until I reached the ripe old age of 30. Then miraculously, overnight it seems, she gained massive amounts of wisdom.

[Elphaba]

I'm around...it is just that I have "cycled" into my books for awhile!!! I am half finished with Rough Stone Rolling, I finished the Emma Smith one, and now I have this Porter Rockwell bio. by Richard Dewey that I want to read, plus I have been reading my scriptures online and I am already six months ahead of my read through the standard works in a year schedule. . . .

I am so excited for you!

I remember when I first "discovered" Mormon history. There was something in that really called out to me. I know how corny that sounds, but it did! And I've never looked back since. I've slowed down . . . but never looked back.

Anyway...the quote: It is just one of my many quotes that I collect and I thought it was appropriate here.

Jesus is the Golden Ruler...he is the door to Heaven...all the good works in the world will do you no good till you have a personal relationship with the Golden Ruler.

So, then, what about me? I don't believe in Jesus. I believe I can live by the Golden Rule, and in fact, it is my "religion," so to speak. Do you disagree?

It's so good to "see" you! I really missed you.

Elphaba

[Elphaba]

<div class='quotemain'> I love his dedication and commitment to the prophet Joseph Smith and later Brigham.

Me too!!! He was a pit bull!!!

"Peter Rockwell"

I am not so enamored of Porter Rockwell as everyone else is here, or at least not in the same way. Everything everyone has said of him is true, especially your "pit bull"! description. That's an absolutely perfect way to describe him.

But he was also a murderer, among other things, and I'm not talking about Boggs.

He did things his way, regardless of what anyone else thought. For example, he was a "serial" polygamist. He would meet a woman he liked, marry her, tire of her and just leave. Then he'd meet another woman, "marry" her, and repeat the pattern. There was one woman whom he did genuinely care for who unfortunately died. But my point is he did practice polygamy, but in his own way, and no one could tell him different.

Even Brigham couldn't control him, and it irked him. (Actually, I like that about him.)

He also drank and partied, but was the man you wanted if you were in trouble. He was beyond human when human strength was not enough.

Of course, everything I've written is far too simplistic to describe the "whole" of Rockwell. I need to head to the library to re-read up on him myself. In fact, I think Porter deserves his own thread since he keeps popping up in others.

I'm just concerned mentioning how devoted he was to Joseph and Brigham, which is true, will give the wrong impression that he was a pious and practicing Saint. He wasn't. He was also a murderer, and I see that part of his personality get set aside often when speaking of him.

Elphaba

[john doe]

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So, then, what about me? I don't believe in Jesus. I believe I can live by the Golden Rule, and in fact, it is my "religion," so to speak. Do you disagree?

It's so good to "see" you! I really missed you.

Elphaba

Well, let's be honest. Eventually you will acknowledge Jesus. If you ultimately reject Him and what He did for you, you'll be spending eternity in Hell. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light, and every knee will bend before Him or be cast out. You may not like hearing that, but it's the truth.

-edited to correct spelling-

[Guest Yediyd]

So, then, what about me? I don't believe in Jesus. I believe I can live by the Golden Rule, and in fact, it is my "religion," so to speak. Do you disagree?

It's so good to "see" you! I really missed you.

Elphaba

The next time you feel like you miss me just call...I may not be on line, but 9 times out of 10...I'm probably home!!!

I believe that Jesus is the only way to Heaven, El...you know that. He died for our sins and he is the atonement...if we don't except him...we are not of him, and if we are not of him, we are against him. I don't expect you to agree with me...but those are my beliefs and I'm stickin' to em!!!

Yed.

[pam]

[but those are my beliefs and I'm stickin' to em!!!

Yed.

At least I'm not the ONLY one who says this.

[Guest Yediyd]

<div class='quotemain'>

<div class='quotemain'> I love his dedication and commitment to the prophet Joseph Smith and later Brigham.

Me too!!! He was a pit bull!!!

"Peter Rockwell"

I am not so enamored of Porter Rockwell as everyone else is here, or at least not in the same way. Everything everyone has said of him is true, especially your "pit bull"! description. That's an absolutely perfect way to describe him.

But he was also a murderer, among other things, and I'm not talking about Boggs.

He did things his way, regardless of what anyone else thought. For example, he was a "serial" polygamist. He would meet a woman he liked, marry her, tire of her and just leave. Then he'd meet another woman, "marry" her, and repeat the pattern. There was one woman whom he did genuinely care for who unfortunately died. But my point is he did practice polygamy, but in his own way, and no one could tell him different.

Even Brigham couldn't control him, and it irked him. (Actually, I like that about him.)

He also drank and partied, but was the man you wanted if you were in trouble. He was beyond human when human strength was not enough.

Of course, everything I've written is far too simplistic to describe the "whole" of Rockwell. I need to head to the library to re-read up on him myself. In fact, I think Porter deserves his own thread since he keeps popping up in others.

I'm just concerned mentioning how devoted he was to Joseph and Brigham, which is true, will give the wrong impression that he was a pious and practicing Saint. He wasn't. He was also a murderer, and I see that part of his personality get set aside often when speaking of him.

Elphaba

Like I said, El...he reminds me so much of my brother...it is scary!! My brother has his "own way" of doing things and nobody can tell him different! He is violent and scary at times...but FIRCELY loyal to his friends and loved ones and the person to call if you ever need help!! He cannot be controlled either!! I guess that is why I love Porter Rockwell...he was not perfect, but I love his heart...just like my brother...I can't stand to live in close proximity to him...but I love him and I love his heart!!! He does drive me crazy!!! But he is a pit bull too!!! Love him or hate him, ya gotta love his heart!!!!!

[Elphaba]

Well, let's be honest. Eventually you will acknowledge Jesus. If you ultimately reject Him and what He did for you, you'll be spending eternity in Hell. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light, and every knee will bend before Him or be cast out. You may not like hearing that, but it's the truth.

I thought Mormons did not believe in hell. Am I wrong?

So, you're telling me that if I live my life by the Golden Rule, but cannot make myself believe in Jesus, if it turns out Jesus is real He will send me to hell for that? Even knowing that I tried, but could not make myself?

You cannot make yourself belive something that you do not believe.

Elphaba

<div class='quotemain'>

So, then, what about me? I don't believe in Jesus. I believe I can live by the Golden Rule, and in fact, it is my "religion," so to speak. Do you disagree?

It's so good to "see" you! I really missed you.

Elphaba

The next time you feel like you miss me just call...I may not be on line, but 9 times out of 10...I'm probably home!!!

I believe that Jesus is the only way to Heaven, El...you know that. He died for our sins and he is the atonement...if we don't except him...we are not of him, and if we are not of him, we are against him. I don't expect you to agree with me...but those are my beliefs and I'm stickin' to em!!!

Yed.

Wow. So you think I am against Jesus? How is not believing in Jesus against Jesus?

You know I would never want you to change your beliefs--you KNOW that. I'm just trying to understand this better. I guess I've never quite understand that I am somehow evil because I don't believe.

Elphie

[Dr T]

Elph,

There's something about "The road is narrow" comes to mind.

[Elphaba]

At least I'm not the ONLY one who says this.

You just can't help yourself, can you!

Elphie

Like I said, El...he reminds me so much of my brother...it is scary!! My brother has his "own way" of doing things and nobody can tell him different! He is violent and scary at times...but FIRCELY loyal to his friends and loved ones and the person to call if you ever need help!! He cannot be controlled either!! I guess that is why I love Porter Rockwell...he was not perfect, but I love his heart...just like my brother...I can't stand to live in close proximity to him...but I love him and I love his heart!!! He does drive me crazy!!! But he is a pit bull too!!! Love him or hate him, ya gotta love his heart!!!!!

And as long as you understand that that is what he was really like, I love him too!

Elphie

Elph,

There's something about "The road is narrow" comes to mind.

And?

[Dr T]

and that's all Elph.

[Elphaba]

and that's all Elph.

"The road is narrow." "The sky is blue." "The grass is green."

I'm not trying to be difficult. It's just that "The road is narrow" could mean anything you want it to mean; therefore, it's essentially meaningless.

What does that have to do with being evil because I can't believe in Jesus?

Elphaba