anatess2 Posted March 25, 2016 Author Report Posted March 25, 2016 Okay, I'm not PMS'ing anymore. Let's talk about the Plan. You know what detailed plans are about in the Primaries? There are 2 kinds.... 1.) To show you've spent years working in government, 2.) To show you're a good BS artist. The 1st one is a valid one... if you got that experience... flaunt it. Hammer it. Use it against your opponents. And if you're in the good ole boys and girls club, it's flashing your club membership to those donors. Gingrich was the expert on this... he's the author of the this-is-what-I'm-going-to-do-on-day-1... That guy knew what he was doing. He would have been a great President. This plan could possibly survive the general elections. The 2nd one are for the outsiders... you fake it. You go talk to a couple guys that has some great ideas, then you get some stump speech writer to condense it into 3 sentences. You memorize it and deliver it flawlessly on the stump or on a debate. You can put it on your website even. It can be vacuous, even... People are going to be impressed... See! He has a plan! Guess what's gonna happen... Day 1 of general elections, you start building your cabinet and they are going to take your detailed plan and come up with the general election-scrubbed detailed plan. And yes, you're lucky if the plan fits the Mission and Vision statement, let alone resemble your primaries campaign plan (unless you're the Gingrich-type, because that guy knows his stuff!). Unless you're Obama and the Party becomes your echo chamber, you're going to end up adjusting. So then.. day 1 of Presidency... the entire cabinet fills out and they'll throw away any of your plans and come up with the REAL actionable plan that best fits your Mission and Vision in the current environment and lay of the land. Lots of people who get elected forget their campaign promises and won't fight to get these plans to fulfill those. And then you're lucky if you can get Congress to jump on board that plan. Because, they're the ones that REALLY have the plan when it requires their involvement. That's how it's done, folks. Campaign 101. Quote
The Folk Prophet Posted March 25, 2016 Report Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, anatess2 said: That's half a vote for Hillary. But it's better than a full vote. Just a note: You got Obama for 8 because evangelicals thought the same of Romney. It doesn't matter. I will not vote for Satan or for Satan Jr. I will never choose the lesser of two evils. I don't care if it destroys the world. I will not stand behind evil! When I stand before my maker, the world will have marched on to Armageddon either way...I do not want to be the one who voted Stalin into power...even if the alternative was to vote Hitler into power. I will not support evil. Period. Edited March 25, 2016 by The Folk Prophet mirkwood 1 Quote
anatess2 Posted March 25, 2016 Author Report Posted March 25, 2016 11 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said: It doesn't matter. I will not vote for Satan or for Satan Jr. I will never choose the lesser of two evils. I don't care if it destroys the world. I will not stand behind evil! When I stand before my maker, the world will have marched on to Armageddon either way...I do not want to be the one who voted Stalin into power...even if the alternative was to vote Hitler into power. I will not support evil. Period. I can respect that position. About the lesser of two evils... I just posted about this here: http://lds.net/forums/topic/58953-the-wasted-vote/?page=3#comment-859341 And about voting Stalin or Hitler into power... I have a lot more trust in the US Constitution than that. Quote
The Folk Prophet Posted March 25, 2016 Report Posted March 25, 2016 24 minutes ago, anatess2 said: I can respect that position. About the lesser of two evils... I just posted about this here: http://lds.net/forums/topic/58953-the-wasted-vote/?page=3#comment-859341 And about voting Stalin or Hitler into power... I have a lot more trust in the US Constitution than that. The US Constitution is only as capable as the people who uphold it. I don't believe either of them are Stalin or Hitler mind you. But I will not vote for either whether my vote is "wasted" or not. Quote
Guest Posted March 25, 2016 Report Posted March 25, 2016 38 minutes ago, anatess2 said: ... I have a lot more trust in the US Constitution than that. Do you honestly believe that Trump honors the Constitution? I believe he's read it as thoroughly as he has the Bible especially 2 Corinthians. If Obama has proven anything, he's shown that there are only two rules the President has to do and he can get away with anything. 1) Keep the majority of the cabinet on your side. 2) Don't tick off more than 66 senators. Everything else can be completely ignored, and he can get away with anything. Trump is going to be elected (assuming he wins) because of the exact same reasons Obama was elected. And Trumpkins are making the same statements, the same excuses, and have the same level of "awe" and violent responses as Obamabots did. Quote
anatess2 Posted March 25, 2016 Author Report Posted March 25, 2016 41 minutes ago, Carborendum said: Do you honestly believe that Trump honors the Constitution? I believe he's read it as thoroughly as he has the Bible especially 2 Corinthians. If Obama has proven anything, he's shown that there are only two rules the President has to do and he can get away with anything. 1) Keep the majority of the cabinet on your side. 2) Don't tick off more than 66 senators. Everything else can be completely ignored, and he can get away with anything. Trump is going to be elected (assuming he wins) because of the exact same reasons Obama was elected. And Trumpkins are making the same statements, the same excuses, and have the same level of "awe" and violent responses as Obamabots did. One man... Even if he was the President... does not have the singular power to defeat the US Constitution. That's the beauty of equal powers of a 3-part government. And you need to go up to my post to MormonGator on how Trumpsters - like Jeff Sessions and Sara Palin - disproves your Obamabot theory. Quote
anatess2 Posted March 25, 2016 Author Report Posted March 25, 2016 1 hour ago, The Folk Prophet said: The US Constitution is only as capable as the people who uphold it. I don't believe either of them are Stalin or Hitler mind you. But I will not vote for either whether my vote is "wasted" or not. I get this. Quote
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