How long do our non member friends have to wait?

[Guest]

I had a friend die at age 21. Family not mormon and probably never will be. How long will my friend have to wait for his temple work to be done? Until the Millennium? That's a long wait.

[Jane_Doe]

The privilege of doing his proxy temple work lies with his immediate family.  If they* wish to do his temple work, then usually within a year it can be done.  If they do not wish to do it themselves, another person can do it with explicate permission from the immediate family*.

 

*They = very specifically defined.  First privilege is spouse, then parents, then children, then siblings. 

[Guest]

And why does it have to be 110 years for ancestors? 100 years old would be sooooooooo much more conveniant. Who do I petition to lower the age to 100?

[Sunday21]

I know how you feel I come from a large clan of antimormormons who will be waiting around for awhile. I am guessing that the rule was established after Mormons, and I am Lds, baptized holocost victim, their relatives complained, and then we baptized a Jewish reporter who was killed by terrorists. This family was very upset. I think the lds community were repeatedly asked to be sensitive and we were not!

[Edspringer]

9 hours ago, Zarahemla said:

I had a friend die at age 21. Family not mormon and probably never will be. How long will my friend have to wait for his temple work to be done? Until the Millennium? That's a long wait.

@Jane_Doe said it right: his family must either do the temple work for this young man or allow someone else to do it.

6 hours ago, Zarahemla said:

And why does it have to be 110 years for ancestors? 100 years old would be sooooooooo much more conveniant. Who do I petition to lower the age to 100?

I believe that 110 years was set basically because this person's spouse/children/brother/sister would'nt be alive to prevent temple work to be done.

I think you can ask your stake president to communicate with the the area presidency about the issue, and then they might submit your petition to the Council of the Twelve, and maybe it will go to the Frst Presidency. 

[zil]

1 hour ago, Edspringer said:

I think you can ask your stake president to communicate with the the area presidency about the issue, and then they might submit your petition to the Council of the Twelve, and maybe it will go to the Frst Presidency. 

Or you can recognize that 110 years is a fraction of a blink of an eye in the eternities, that we've been taught that progress is more difficult when one doesn't have a body (i.e. your friend might benefit from some time - wouldn't it be better if he were prepared to be there in spirit as someone does his work?), that those who made this decision made it for a wise purpose, and trust that the Lord's will shall be done.

[Jane_Doe]

9 hours ago, Zarahemla said:

And why does it have to be 110 years for ancestors? 100 years old would be sooooooooo much more conveniant. Who do I petition to lower the age to 100?

Because that is the time passed in which a person is likely to be deceased themselves, and their immediate descendants likely to be deceased. 

This has to do with honoring families, not honoring lazy math.  The fact that you ask "where do I petition" indicated you are not taking this very important work seriously. 

[Edspringer]

4 hours ago, Jane_Doe said:

Because that is the time passed in which a person is likely to be deceased themselves, and their immediate descendants likely to be deceased. 

This has to do with honoring families, not honoring lazy math.  The fact that you ask "where do I petition" indicated you are not taking this very important work seriously. 

@Jane_Doe, you said wise things about most everything. Let's just  not be so quick to judge someone's intentions based only on words.

[Jane_Doe]

51 minutes ago, Edspringer said:

@Jane_Doe, you said wise things about most everything. Let's just  not be so quick to judge someone's intentions based only on words.

Good point.  

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Jane_Doe said:

Because that is the time passed in which a person is likely to be deceased themselves, and their immediate descendants likely to be deceased. 

This has to do with honoring families, not honoring lazy math.  The fact that you ask "where do I petition" indicated you are not taking this very important work seriously. 

I have family names I could do if the age was 100, now I have to wait a decade. I'm pretty sure the age used to be 100 too until some people ruined it for the rest of us. And I'm offended you don't think I'm taking it seriously. I want to get my family names done more than anything.

[Jane_Doe]

1 hour ago, Zarahemla said:

I have family names I could do if the age was 100, now I have to wait a decade. I'm pretty sure the age used to be 100 too until some people ruined it for the rest of us. And I'm offended you don't think I'm taking it seriously. I want to get my family names done more than anything.

Have you asked permission of the nearest living relative?  

[zil]

1 hour ago, Zarahemla said:

I have family names I could do if the age was 100, now I have to wait a decade

Only if a nearer relative denies you permission, in which case, it's respecting their wish as the person with the most right to make this decision.

[Jane_Doe]

3 minutes ago, zil said:

Only if a nearer relative denies you permission

Minor correction here: the nearest relative must explicitly GRANT permission.  Your must wait if 1) permission is denied, 2) permission is not asked for, or 3) person being asked doesn't respond.  

[zil]

3 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said:

Minor correction here: the nearest relative must explicitly GRANT permission.  Your must wait if 1) permission is denied, 2) permission is not asked for, or 3) person being asked doesn't respond.  

Yes, good point.  My thinking was, if they don't say "no", it means they're saying "yes", but better to be explicit.  What you described (1, 2, 3) is my understanding too.

[Jane_Doe]

17 minutes ago, zil said:

Yes, good point.  My thinking was, if they don't say "no", it means they're saying "yes", but better to be explicit.  What you described (1, 2, 3) is my understanding too.

:)  Sorry for being a stickler on this.  Working the family history center for a long time, I've learned that exactness is important in this regard.  I have seen WAY too many people disappointed when they join the church, only to find out that they cannot take their beloved mother to the temple because her name was submitted by some random impatient person in Jakarta.

Edited August 15, 2016 by Jane_Doe