Signs of the times?

[zil]

1 minute ago, Carborendum said:

That makes about as much sense as saying global warming = the burning as an oven spoken of at the Second Coming.  Oh wait.  He said that too...  Hence my puzzling at his equations.  The associative property is not being applied accurately -- for both phenomena.

IMO, he's saying "similar?" and you're seeing "identical!".  You're not seeing "identica!l" because he said "identical!", you're just seeing it.

Meanwhile, I've heard that the earth's orbit is shrinking.  If that's true, we're getting closer to the sun.  If that's true, things are gonna get hotter.  The earth is basically sand.  What happens when you melt sand?  You get glass.  Somewhere in scripture, the post-mortal earth was described as a sea of glass. ::right here, I need an emoticon of a cowboy, on a bucking bronc, shouting "yee haw":: (you know, cuz we're in for a fun ride; hold onto your hat)

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, zil said:

IMO, he's saying "similar?" and you're seeing "identical!".  You're not seeing "identica!l" because he said "identical!", you're just seeing it.

The question I posed was "What does this have to do with Noah?"  My point is that it is an inaccurate comparison whether you're saying similar or identical.  It's somewhere along the lines of a slippery slope argument.

Think about his parallel.  Global warming (similar to) Burning as an Oven.  How ridiculous is that comparison?  Then look at: a moderate rise in water levels (similar to) global flood.  

And I do hope you're joking about orbit decay ==> sea of glass.

[zil]

8 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

The question I posed was "What does this have to do with Noah?"  My point is that it is an inaccurate comparison whether you're saying similar or identical.  It's somewhere along the lines of a slippery slope argument.

Think about his parallel.  Global warming (similar to) Burning as an Oven.  How ridiculous is that comparison?  Then look at: a moderate rise in water levels (similar to) global flood.  

OK, so you don't like extreme abstraction - no Cubist paintings for you.

9 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

And I do hope you're joking about orbit decay ==> sea of glass.

It was my instantaneous reaction (I didn't have to take a moment to think of it) when I first heard someone expressing concern about the earth's orbit shrinking ("ooo, sea of glass" was my knee-jerk thought).  Will that be how the earth is turned into a sea of glass?  That seems unlikely (and it appears to be taking long enough, that I certainly hope we don't have to wait that long).  But if it is, that's OK by me.  If it's not, oh well.  In other words, I chose to see the news of a shrinking orbit as a happy potential rather than a "sky is falling" event (some people will stress over anything).  I find the whole idea mildly amusing, so I guess that counts as a joke.  (I have to keep my eccentric little amusements, you know.  @Vort dashed my previous hope for eternal amusement (and I can't even remember what that was anymore - oh yeah, something about dinosaur fossils, sigh, dashed again).)

[Guest]

@zil

I hate cubism.

[zil]

1 minute ago, Carborendum said:

@zil

I hate cubism.

I already figured that out, Mr. Literal.

[Guest]

37 minutes ago, zil said:

I already figured that out, Mr. Literal.

That's CAPTAIN Literally to you.  BALANCE RESTORED.

Edited February 15, 2017 by Guest

[Sunday21]

On 2017-02-13 at 3:08 PM, Zarahemla said:

Utah is high enough above sea level that I shouldn't worry.

More beach front! Bring it on!

Everyone where I live:

believes global warming

believes that humans caused it. (We have a government department called 'The environment and climate change'. I have a friend who works there.)

Myself, I say let's if not embrace it (sorry your island is going to disappear), let's accept that this is likely to become our future and start preparing. I say, welcome to Manitoba! A lovely province. One big provincial park. Very low population. Make yourself at home! 

http://www.immigratemanitoba.com/

Once people explained to me that we are not going to lose Cape Breton, it's up on a cliff apparently

http://www.welcometocapebreton.ca/

i  was all for it! Mind you I live on a block of ice so my perspective is slightly different.

 

Edited February 15, 2017 by Sunday21

[estradling75]

20 hours ago, Traveler said:

How to get the information.  Do a Google search on volcanos.   Find a site that specializes in volcanoes.   Volcanoes.usgs.gov is a good one.   Use the “contact us” button and send an email.  Request information concerning the super volcano in the Antarctic.  You will be given access to White Papers (raw data) without commentary.   You may need help from a professor at a university that has a geological department for volcanoes.

As I said, because this is raw data; determining the importance of the information will not be a trivial task.  Good luck

I am going to have to agree with Fether on this.

I did a google search... more precisely a search on antarctica supervolcano.  I get a lot of things about current research on active volcanoes under the arctic ice sheet, and how interesting and important study of them are because we are not entirely sure how they are going to behave buried under kilometers of ice.  I also find information about super volcanoes and how their behavior has affected the polar regions...   but no connection is ever made to a super volcano being found under the antarctic ice.

The only proof you offer either does not exist (aka google search) or beyond my ability to put together (raw data).

I don't need to be convinced that a super volcano eruption is a world-wide extinction level event (no matter where it is found) I am already there.  But when you claim that there is an immanent super volcano eruption and then the only proof you offer is to say it is being hidden by a conspiracy... well that puts you in the same category of flat earthers and moon landing deniers.  And I say this as someone that totally willing to accept conspiracies exist and are active and dangerous, you have simply not provided enough proof that the one you claim exists, really does.

 

[askandanswer]

4 hours ago, zil said:

I didn't see him suggesting there would be a global flood ala "every ounce of earth will be covered with water", nor even "we're gonna see the same kinda flood Noah saw".  I see him pointing at reports of rising sea levels (but not rising so far as to drown us all), and saying something like "could this be similar (but not identical) to what happened in Noah's day?  could this be happening because of modern wickedness?"

(the bold function isn't cooperating)

 I'm inclined to agree with the scriptures here in their assertion that not ALL flesh shall be cut off, and that neither will there be a flood that destroys the WHOLE earth, but that still leaves a great deal of scope for a lot of flesh and earth to be destroyed by floods - just not all flesh and all earth. I note that the Lord used multiple methods of destruction prior to his arrival in the Americas, and I anticipate He would use multiple modalities again, one of which I think is likely to be flooding.

Edited February 15, 2017 by askandanswer

[askandanswer]

6 hours ago, Carborendum said:

That makes about as much sense as saying global warming = the burning as an oven spoken of at the Second Coming.  Oh wait.  He said that too...  Hence my puzzling at his equations.  His application of the associative property comes nowhere close to reality -- for both phenomena.

Global warming might or might not be a fulfillment of the prophecy that there will be a day that will burn as an oven. I don't think we have enough evidence to immediately discount the possibility that it might be true. Certainly for there to be a day that will burn as an oven the earth, at least on that day, will need to be much warmer than it currently is. That increase in temperature might or might not happen gradually. The fact that temperatures are increasing at least gives reason to think that to get to that oven burning day, it will be a gradual increase.

Last weekend in much of the east coast of Australia we had a heat-wave where temperatures in my city were in the low 40's and in some western rural areas, in the mid to high 40's. You can be sure that a lot of older Australians, after finishing their beer in the airconditioned pub, and then stepping outside into the heat, would have been turned back to tell their mates still in the pub, "It's like a blood* oven out here." it's not an uncommon expression amongst older anglo Australians, and for those people, there have been many days when their part of the earth has burned like an oven. 

I'm also not sure if its reasonable to assume that when using this description, Malachi meant that on a certain day the whole earth would feel like an oven (presumably he was talking about the inside of the oven  ) or if he just used that expression to mean a day that was going to be every hot.

Edited February 15, 2017 by askandanswer