Interesting Scriptures

[clbent04]

Did you know in Psalms 46 that if you count 46 words down and 46 words up, you get "Shake" + "Spear" = Shakespear?

1 God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.

2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;

3 Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah.

4 There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.

5 God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early.

6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

7 The Lord of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.

8 Come, behold the works of the Lord, what desolations he hath made in the earth.

9 He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.

10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

11 The Lord of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.

Edited August 13, 2017 by clbent04

[Guest]

You're off on the count.  And, no, that is not where Shakespeare got his moniker from.  Historically, that was his birth name.

These are just urban legends that often accompany one another.

Edited August 13, 2017 by Guest

[clbent04]

4 hours ago, Carborendum said:

You're off on the count.

Maybe 46 down, 47 up? I'm questioning my counting skills now. I could have sworn I did the count before and it was 46 both ways. Regardless, what is Shakespear doing in Psalms anyway? What is the meaning of this? 

Edited August 13, 2017 by clbent04

[clbent04]

Did you know there's a story in the Bible of a bald-headed prophet (Elisha) being mocked by children, and the children in turn are then torn apart by two bears?

2 Kings 2:23-24

23 And he went up from thence unto Beth-el: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

Edited August 13, 2017 by clbent04

[Guest MormonGator]

9 hours ago, Carborendum said:

You're off on the count.  And, no, that is not where Shakespeare got his moniker from.  Historically, that was his birth name.

Correct. 

His family was actually quite established and prosperous for the time too! 

[Guest MormonGator]

9 minutes ago, clbent04 said:

Did you know there's a story in the Bible of a bald-headed prophet (Elisha) being mocked by children, and the children in turn are then torn apart by two bears?

2 Kings 2:23-24

23 And he went up from thence unto Beth-el: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

Little bit more complicated than just harmless kids and playful teasing. 
 
The phrase "bald head" was as powerful as a racial slur is today. It usually inferred that the "bald head" was diseased in some way.  Maybe leprosy or the plague.

 These weren't harmless children, they were a pack of threatening street thugs. 

Edited August 13, 2017 by MormonGator

[clbent04]

2 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

 The phrase "bald head" was as powerful as a racial slur is today. It usually inferred that the "bald head" was diseased in some way.  These weren't harmless children, they were a pack of threatening street thugs. 

I remember reading something to that effect out of one of the church's teaching manuals. The manual said the so called "little children" weren't as young as someone might suppose

[Guest MormonGator]

2 minutes ago, clbent04 said:

I remember reading something to that effect out of one of the church's teaching manuals. The manual said the so called "little children" weren't as young as someone might suppose

Yup. I read about it in a KJV bible study guide long before I joined the church. 

[clbent04]

Did you know Reindeer and Santa are mentioned in the scriptures? 

Zechariah 1:8

I saw by night, and behold a man riding upon a red horse, and he stood among the myrtle trees that were in the bottom; and behind him were there red horses, speckled, and white.

Zechariah 2:6

6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the Lord: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the Lord.

Edited August 15, 2017 by clbent04

[clbent04]

Did you know the Old Testament mentions how people used to trade human dung for cow dung?

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Ezekiel 4:12, 15

12 And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.

15 Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow’s dung for man’s dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.

 

Edited August 20, 2017 by clbent04

[Fether]

Judges 19 is pretty weird...

Luke 10:22 makes sense, but then you look at the JST and it looks like it is supporting the trinity

Proverbs 31:6-7 supports drinking alcohol

 

OH! And let's not forget when David brought Saul 200 foreskins so he could marry his daughter in 1 Samuel 18. Here is a picture depicting the scene.

 

Edited August 21, 2017 by Fether

[Guest]

18 hours ago, Fether said:

Judges 19 is pretty weird.

Luke 10:22 makes sense, but then you look at the JST and it looks like it is supporting the trinity

psalms 31:6-7 supports drinking alcohol

Judges:  Only if you don't recognize what is really going on here.

Luke:  Yes and no.

Psalm 31:  It doesn't say anything about alcohol.

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[Fether]

30 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

Judges:  Only if you don't recognize what is really going on here.

Luke:  Yes and no.

Psalm 31:  It doesn't say anything about alcohol.

Judges: Explain

Psalms: whatbis strong drink and whatbis wine?

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Fether said:

Psalms: what is strong drink and what is wine?

Explain:

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6. I have hated them that regard lying vanities: but I trust in the Lord.

7. I will be glad and rejoice in thy mercy: for thou hast considered my trouble; thou hast known my soul in adversity;

Psalm 31: 6-7

What are you talking about?  Did you provide the wrong reference?

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[Fether]

1 minute ago, Carborendum said:

Explain:

What are you talking about?  Did you provide the wrong reference?

Oh! PROVERBS 31:6-7... my bad

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Fether said:

Oh! PROVERBS 31:6-7... my bad

In that case: CONTEXT!!! Read the whole chapter.

[Fether]

Just now, Carborendum said:

In that case: CONTEXT!!! Read the whole chapter.

I still want an explanation on Judges 19. And not in a challenging way... genuinely interested

[zil]

1 minute ago, Carborendum said:

In that case: CONTEXT!!! Read the whole chapter.

Yeah, like verse 1:

"1 The words of king Lemuel, the prophecy that his mother taught him."

...How did Lemuel sneak into the OT, and does Laman know about this?  And either way, why would you believe anything he says, regardless of whether he claims his mother taught him?

[Fether]

Just now, Carborendum said:

In that case: CONTEXT!!! Read the whole chapter.

I still want an explanation on Judges 19. And not in a challenging way... genuinely interested

[Guest]

Just now, Fether said:

I still want an explanation on Judges 19. And not in a challenging way... genuinely interested

There are many passages in the Bible where we only get a few statements of the narrative.  We miss out on many of the details to the point that it completely changes the story.

One example that has come up several times on the board is that of Elisha being harassed by the children making fun of his being bald.  What we figure is that it wasn't just little children making a little joke.  It was some rather large youth who were basically the bully gang of the area who were actually physically assaulting him.

As I read the passage in Judges, it reminded me of that passage in Elisha.  I found it odd that the entire chapter really has no substantive footnotes.  So, I'm going to speculate that the concubine (which BTW, is simply another name for a wife in this context) did a lot more bad stuff than is indicated in this passage.  And I'd wonder if the Levite actually did the cutting up or if, because of her wild nature, she ended up getting into some trouble that resulted in her getting cut up by parties unknown.

[Fether]

1 minute ago, Carborendum said:

There are many passages in the Bible where we only get a few statements of the narrative.  We miss out on many of the details to the point that it completely changes the story.

One example that has come up several times on the board is that of Elisha being harassed by the children making fun of his being bald.  What we figure is that it wasn't just little children making a little joke.  It was some rather large youth who were basically the bully gang of the area who were actually physically assaulting him.

As I read the passage in Judges, it reminded me of that passage in Elisha.  I found it odd that the entire chapter really has no substantive footnotes.  So, I'm going to speculate that the concubine (which BTW, is simply another name for a wife in this context) did a lot more bad stuff than is indicated in this passage.  And I'd wonder if the Levite actually did the cutting up or if, because of her wild nature, she ended up getting into some trouble that resulted in her getting cut up by parties unknown.

Regardless... it's still a pretty weird chapter

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, zil said:

Yeah, like verse 1:

"1 The words of king Lemuel, the prophecy that his mother taught him."

...How did Lemuel sneak into the OT, and does Laman know about this?  And either way, why would you believe anything he says, regardless of whether he claims his mother taught him?

I was thinking of verses 4 and 5.

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It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink....

 

[Guest]

Just now, Fether said:

Regardless... it's still a pretty weird chapter

conceded.

[Vort]

19 hours ago, Fether said:

Judges 19 is pretty weird...

Luke 10:22 makes sense, but then you look at the JST and it looks like it is supporting the trinity

Proverbs 31:6-7 supports drinking alcohol

 

OH! And let's not forget when David brought Saul 200 foreskins so he could marry his daughter in 1 Samuel 18. Here is a picture depicting the scene.

 

Considerate of David to pull his victims' pants back up after he finished.

[Fether]

2 hours ago, Vort said:

Considerate of David to pull his victims' pants back up after he finished.

He didn't want anyone to be indecent when the painter came.

Edited August 21, 2017 by Fether