Pseudo science and medical debunkers

[Sunday21]

https://www.thestar.com/life/2017/07/18/meet-the-canadian-doctor-whos-taking-on-goop.html

A doctor takes on pseudoscience!

Edited October 21, 2017 by Sunday21

[Guest MormonGator]

3 minutes ago, Sunday21 said:

https://www.thestar.com/life/2017/07/18/meet-the-canadian-doctor-whos-taking-on-goop.html

A doctor takes on pseudoscience!

In the war between pseudoscience and actual science, pseudoscience has won. 

[Sunday21]

11 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

In the war between pseudoscience and actual science, pseudoscience has won. 

Sad but true!

[mordorbund]

On 10/21/2017 at 1:09 PM, MormonGator said:

In the war between pseudoscience and actual science, pseudoscience has won. 

That's the power of linux.

[Guest MormonGator]

13 minutes ago, mordorbund said:

That's the power of linux.

If you have a winning strategy to debunk pseudoscience then you are my new hero. 

[Guest LiterateParakeet]

"Fake News"  

Ha ha ha.  I didn't read the article (not really commenting on it either way), I'm just...ahem...quoting a phrase I've heard a lot lately.  LOL!  

[Guest MormonGator]

After @mordorbund wins the war on pseudoscience, he can start the war on fake news. 

[Midwest LDS]

Best of luck to her. Why people look to celebrities for medical advice rather than doctors is a mystery whose solution has long eluded me.

[mordorbund]

4 minutes ago, Midwest LDS said:

Best of luck to her. Why people look to celebrities for medical advice rather than doctors is a mystery whose solution has long eluded me.

What a great question! I wonder if Oprah knows.

[Guest MormonGator]

4 minutes ago, Midwest LDS said:

Best of luck to her. Why people look to celebrities for medical advice rather than doctors is a mystery whose solution has long eluded me.

It's both frustrating and astounding to me as well. 

[JohnsonJones]

1 hour ago, Midwest LDS said:

Best of luck to her. Why people look to celebrities for medical advice rather than doctors is a mystery whose solution has long eluded me.

I had a doctor once that when I asked him a question on things that he didn't know the answer to, he went to his electronic medical encyclopedia and typed things in to look them up.  The only difference between him and other doctors I expect is that he was blatantly open about it, whereas I think others may say...

"I need to consult some materials and think about this and will get back with you, can you come back in a week if this medication doesn't work or you don't see an improvement"

Type statement.

Eventually, beyond just your normal everyday pains and aches, you start to get the idea as you get older that your doctor may know some things...but on other things they are just as much in the dark as you.  When they order tests and such, that's when they start to really get an idea (and where their education can help out beyond normal folks) when they get results from those test, but prior to that, sometimes they are shooting in the dark.

At least, from what I've seen occasionally.  Even if you come right out and tell them your problem sometimes, it's like they didn't even hear you.

[Midwest LDS]

Oh I'm not defending every member of the medical profession @JohnsonJones. The word quack exists for a reason. But if I'm deciding whether or not to, say get a vaccine or go on a particular kind of diet or look for solutions to my chronic medical problems, I'm going to put a whole lot more trust in the guys and gals who attended medical school and put in decades of their own experience working with patients over someone who looks pretty on camera or totally read an article on the internet once. 

[JohnsonJones]

1 minute ago, Midwest LDS said:

Oh I'm not defending every member of the medical profession @JohnsonJones. The word quack exists for a reason. But if I'm deciding whether or not to, say get a vaccine or go on a particular kind of diet or look for solutions to my chronic medical problems, I'm going to put a whole lot more trust in the guys and gals who attended medical school and put in decades of their own experience working with patients over someone who looks pretty on camera or totally read an article on the internet once. 

True, I wasn't trying to justify celebrities either, just come up with a reason why people may listen to them rather than a doctor.  Obviously I still go to my doctors, but sometimes I wonder if I would be better trying to find the answers to some of my aches and pains (never get old...you get pain where you never thought you would) on my own.

[Midwest LDS]

Lol I'll keep that in mind. Maybe the Lord will come in the next twenty years and I can be twinkled before I get too gray haired?.

Edited October 24, 2017 by Midwest LDS

[SilentOne]

My usual response to the advice to never grow old is to say, "Okay, I'll die young."

[dahlia]

On 10/24/2017 at 3:37 PM, Midwest LDS said:

Oh I'm not defending every member of the medical profession @JohnsonJones. The word quack exists for a reason. But if I'm deciding whether or not to, say get a vaccine or go on a particular kind of diet or look for solutions to my chronic medical problems, I'm going to put a whole lot more trust in the guys and gals who attended medical school and put in decades of their own experience working with patients over someone who looks pretty on camera or totally read an article on the internet once. 

No kidding (and I'm the step-daughter of a litigator who loved to sue doctors). I'm on a number of FB pages for veganism, using plant-based diets for health, etc. While there are some physicians who post regularly or who have their own pages, you'd be surprised at the number of idiots who post stuff such as Big Pharma is sitting on the cure for cancer, etc. I audit human subjects research. I have a PhD and have to read both biomed and social science research almost every day, and when I'm not auditing, I'm writing 6 articles a year and giving presentations on research ethics and federal regulations for all of the human subjects researchers in my Big Ten university. 

There are researchers and MDs working tirelessly to find cures and treatments for just about everything. There are even folks looking at dietary treatments (no big bucks for Big Pharma in bananas and tomatoes) or relaxation (no big bucks for Big Pharma in classical music, either). Many of them work in small, windowless offices in the bowels of the hospital or research buildings. They are overworked and yet are some of the most caring people I've met (and let me emphasize again, I was pretty much raised to distrust and dislike doctors). Nobody is sitting on a cure. Big Pharma doesn't get to stay Big Pharma if it can't develop drugs that people will buy. And yet, the number of people who believe that Big Pharma or Big Healthcare are trying to kill people or keep them sick is amazing. If you don't know how the work is done, then maybe you should shut up about it. (a general comment, not directed at anyone here)