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  1. Midwest LDS

    Why we still have Democrats

    Always happy to oblige☺. Plus @Just_A_Guy is a good sport since I did kind of take him on a tangemt there lol.
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    Why we still have Democrats

    My thoughts exactly. The United States already paid it's reperations in blood for slavery.
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    Why we still have Democrats

    You raise some interesting points, and I agree the Dred Scott decision, consistently rated as one of the worst ever made by the Supreme Court, was definitly a catalyst for the war. I disagree with your statement about Southern slaves needing to do more to gain their own freedom though. While hundreds of thousands of white soldiers certainly paid a high price for the eventual abolition of slavery, hundreds of thousands of black soldiers, mostly former slaves, fought in northern armies and tens of thousands of them were killed and wounded. If that's not fighting to gain one's freedom then I don't know what is, so I would argue Southern slaves did strive to overthrow their own yoke. Also, while I agree the South would have eventually collapsed due to their more insane expansionist ideas, would an alliance of foreign nations stopping them be preferable? This is the age when Europe carved up Africa after all. Would you want European armies to come in and stop the South? I could be wrong, but I don't think they would have left. There are definitely plenty of pro and con arguments about us getting involved in World War 1, but we really did not start affecting the outcome of that war until late 1917 at the earliest. Remove us from the equation, and you still have the Bolshevik revolution. Remove our soldiers and you have 2 possiblities. The German 1918 Spring offensive succeeds, barely, and it's the exhausted allies brought to the negotiating table with the vengeful Germans (an interesting twist that could easily have made a "Hitler" French instead of German) or the Allies finally win after a starving Germany collapses, but without the moderating influence of the US, they impose an even harsher Cartheginian peace on Germany, carve up more of the globe (the allies were not exactly helpful here as we can thank much of the tangled up web of the Middle East on the UK and France today) leaving it more divided not united when Stalin and his hordes start eyeing Europe. Not to mention a Japanese ruled Chinese Empire makes me pale at the knowledge of how many Chinese would have been brutally slain by them. A Nanking massacre across the entire country. For all those reasons I would still argue a strong United States was neccessary.
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    BYU Honor Code. Students all afire...again!!

    Nah it's not like that. When I was there, (which admittedly was 12 to 8 years ago) the only things that could get you into serious trouble would be LOC and WOW violations (discounting crimes and stuff of course). Even then, it depends on the specific violation. Someone out past curfew is in less trouble than someone who gets his girlfriend pregnant for example and I believe in many cases there were/are ways to demonstrate genuine repentance and lesser penalties than just expulsion. Someone correct me if I'm completely wrong, I never had to deal with the honor code office personally. I know that's surprising considering my wild and non conformist lifestyle.
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    Why we still have Democrats

    By the way I'm prefacing this by acknowledging that you are indulging in a thought experiment, I just had some thoughts in response.☺ Allowing the states to seperate in 1865 would have been an immediate disaster for blacks. While slavery would have eventually died out as it did elsewhere, how long would it have taken? 10 more years, 20, 30? How many additional generations of servitude would there have been without the sacrifice of northern soldiers. And, while blacks were not even close to being treated as equals for at least a century in the South, wasn't even their small level of freedom worth the rest of the country sharing in the guilt of the South? Furthermore, we were the only ones who could have stood up to global communism. European history would have stayed more or less the same with out our participation ( or our minor participation because we would have been a weak, divided country like so many others) so following the bloodier and longer WW1 and WW2 eventually Soviet armies would have ended up in Berlin with no one who could have stood up to them but a weak UK, a conquered France and who else? The night that would have cloaked the Earth following that kind of victory is terryfying to contemplate. Those are two reasons I believe the preservation of the Union in 1865 (and previously by extension) was vital. As to now, you make an interesting case that division is preferable, although I have similiar concerns about China and Russia now as I do about the USSR then. The problem, is that it would involve the spilling of an ocean of blood in the inevitable civil war that followed. For that reason alone I support union, even in the less desirable society we find ourselves in. Seperation would not be done cleanly in this country.
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    Church policy change on same sex marriage

    For me personally it's when you compare the Prince to his other works that you start to see it. Let me give you an example from one of his more widely published, at the time, books Discoursi ""We know by experience that states have never signally increased either in territory or in riches except under a free government. The cause is not far to seek, since it is the well-being not of the individuals but of the community which makes the state great, and without question this universal well-being is nowhere secured save in a republic.... Popular rule is always better than the rule of princes." Compare that quote to this one from the Prince "Whatever you do, whatever measures you take, if the population hasn't been routed and dispersed so that its freedoms and traditions are quite forgotten, they will rise up to fight for those principles at the first opportunity; just as the Pisans did after a hundred years of Florentine dominion." It seems really odd to me that in most of his political works, like Discoursi, he argues about the benefits of liberty and how a free republic is the best way to preserve those liberties, but in the Prince he is arguing that you need to make sure to completely destroy your opponents so they forget their liberty and traditions. I don't claim to be a Machieavelli expert by any means, military history is more my specialty, but this and other examples seem to me to demonstrate exaguration. Especially when you remember that the Prince was not widely published while he was alive, while most of his other works were. Now I could easily be wrong, you can certainly find arguments to the contrary, but that's my view of things. If you're interested Garrett Mattingly explains the pro satire side of things pretty well in this article http://www2.idehist.uu.se/distans/ilmh/Ren/flor-mach-mattingly.htm
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    Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris Burned Down

    My heart is broken. I've been there, and whatever else can be said about the loss of historical artifacts, which deeply saddens me as well, you could feel the faith in Christ of those who had built it, almost infused in the stone. This is a tragic loss for humanity.
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    Church policy change on same sex marriage

    True but I do see some exaggeration in his advice. There is some debate on the subject, as there always is about any aspect of history because historians rarely agree on anything, but if taken in the context of his other work, and taking into account his personal mistreatment by "Machiavellian" leaders, there is also plenty of evidence that his work was not meant to be taken seriously. It could also have been made merely for debate purposes, as during his lifetime he only circulated it amongst his friends and did not widely publish it.
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    Church policy change on same sex marriage

    Yeah, Machiavelli was badly mistreated by the Medici's and was supportive of that century's version of a republic. This is especially clear when you read his other writings. Unfortunately for him, his satire in the Prince was so well done that people took his writings seriously and that book became a blueprint for power hungry leaders for centuries. Kind of backfired on him.
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    Church policy change on same sex marriage

    Please this is the only decent Florida football team
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    Church policy change on same sex marriage

    Probably a wise precaution
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    Church policy change on same sex marriage

    Lol I totally get it. And to be fair here is a picture of me
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    Church policy change on same sex marriage

    A current picture of @MormonGator with some friends
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    Church policy change on same sex marriage

    I know, I know. It's basically America's basement where we keep our undesirables locked up away from normal society. But, very occasionally, one of them isn't as terrible as the others😉
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    Church policy change on same sex marriage

    I agree. We have a family friend in Florida, a Catholic, who has stayed celibate his entire life in order to follow the Saviour's commandments. I have great respect for him, and anyone else, who strives to follow the commandments despite powerful desires to do otherwise.