O'doul's

[shanstress70]

Do you guys want to go eat tonight? We're available if so!

(Sorry to post off-topic!)

[Spencer]

Ill check with the Wife and PM you, carry on thread =b

Spencer

[Outshined]

Originally posted by shanstress70@Apr 21 2004, 07:46 AM

And they ESPECIALLY don't address the topic of why it's OK to drink decaf coffee, but not regular coffee, while Coke is OK.

According to THIS LINK, many Church leaders don't feel that way about cola. They seem to put it right in there with coffee and tea.

I hope you get your feelings on this worked out. We're just a bunch of average Joes, but we like to help out our own. B)

[Guest Starsky]

Originally posted by Taoist_Saint+Apr 20 2004, 06:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Taoist_Saint @ Apr 20 2004, 06:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--TheProudDuck@Apr 20 2004, 06:16 PM

Question of degree, mon ami.  My thinking is that fake beer tastes so goshawfully bad that the only conceivable reason anyone would want to drink it, would be to appear to be drinking beer.  Whereas drinking apple juice, etc. has a purpose of its own.

I guess that's personal opinion...I like O'Douls.

I drink it for the very conceivable reason that it is lite and refreshing!

You can wash down crackers or chips with it, and there is no sickeningly sweet aftertaste (like you get with soft drinks).

Drink herbal teas....they don't have a sick sweet taste if you drink them without sugar and only drink them with lemon.

:)

[shanstress70]

Thanks Outshined!

[Maureen]

Originally posted by Spencer@Apr 21 2004, 07:33 AM

Ive never heard that story about Emma. I do find it unlikly tho, thats just my opinion however.....

Since you bring it up again I am re-posting this information - you can also find it in the Caffeine thread. The JofD section I believe is from BY:

"<span style='color:blue'>I think I am as well acquainted with the circumstances which led to the giving of the Word of Wisdom as any man in the Church, although I was not present at the time to witness them. The first school of the prophets was held in a small room situated over the Prophet Joseph's kitchen,... When they assembled together in this room after breakfast, the first they did was to light their pipes, and, while smoking, talk about the great things of the kingdom, and spit all over the room, and as soon as the pipe was out of their mouths a large chew of tobacco would then be taken. Often when the Prophet entered the room to give the school instructions he would find himself in a cloud of tobacco smoke. This, and the complaints of his wife at having to clean so filthy a floor, made the Prophet think upon the matter, and he inquired of the Lord relating to the conduct of the Elders in using tobacco, and the revelation known as the Word of Wisdom was the result of his inquiry." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 12, p. 158)

The following appeared in an interview with David Whitmer which was published in the Des Moines Daily News: "...quite a little party of the brethren and sisters being assembled in Smith's house. Some of the men were excessive chewers of the filthy weed, and their disgusting slobbering and spitting caused Mrs. Smith (who, Mr. Whitmer insists, was a lady of predisposed refinement) to make the ironical remark that 'It would be a good thing if a revelation could be had declaring the use of tobacco a sin, and commanding its suppression.' The matter was taken up and joked about, one of the brethren suggesting that the revelation should also provide for a total abstinence from tea and coffee drinking, intending this as a counter 'dig' at the sisters. Sure enough the subject was afterward taken up in dead earnest, and the 'Word of Wisdom' was the result." (The Des Moines Daily News, Saturday, October 16, 1886)

M.

[Guest bizabra]

Originally posted by Spencer@Apr 21 2004, 07:33 AM

Ive never heard that story about Emma. I do find it unlikly tho, thats just my opinion however. I dont know the difference between Decaf Coffee and regular coffee in the sense they are both hot drinks, one just has caffeine and the other does not. Here is a question, was there such thing as Decaf when the WoW was written?

For me, its case by case. Never been a coffee drinker so thats non-issue. BUT looking at some of my co-workers mugs and how stained they are, i dont see how that could be good to have in myself. Im sure Decaf has the same effect. I know Coke isnt good for you, and i try to drink as little of it as possible, but i could see where giving it up would not be a bad thing. Tea? I LOVED hot tea, little cream and sugar and I was set. Ill admit I miss it. But I have never really questioned it. I dont know why. Just me I guess. I guess the blessing's I get in return for giving this up is enough of a reward to keep my curiosity satisfied.

Youre right tho, there are a lot of questions, as the term "Hot Drinks" is rather vague. Not to mention other things like, how much meat a day would it take to be considered not eating it sparingly.

Shan, maybe we can get together and really dig through this. But honestly i think the best way, is to make a personal decision on what you feel is right, pray about it, and go from there.

Outshined, Thanks for those links, good information.

Spencer

What specific blessings do you get?

Is that your motivation? Blessings?

[Spencer]

Originally posted by bizabra+Apr 21 2004, 02:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bizabra @ Apr 21 2004, 02:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Spencer@Apr 21 2004, 07:33 AM

Ive never heard that story about Emma. I do find it unlikly tho, thats just my opinion however. I dont know the difference between Decaf Coffee and regular coffee in the sense they are both hot drinks, one just has caffeine and the other does not. Here is a question, was there such thing as Decaf when the WoW was written?

For me, its case by case. Never been a coffee drinker so thats non-issue. BUT looking at some of my co-workers mugs and how stained they are, i dont see how that could be good to have in myself. Im sure Decaf has the same effect. I know Coke isnt good for you, and i try to drink as little of it as possible, but i could see where giving it up would not be a bad thing. Tea? I LOVED hot tea, little cream and sugar and I was set. Ill admit I miss it. But  I have never really questioned it. I dont know why. Just me I guess. I guess the blessing's I get in return for giving this up is enough of a reward to keep my curiosity satisfied.

Youre right tho, there are a lot of questions, as the term "Hot Drinks" is rather vague. Not to mention other things like, how much meat a day would it take to be considered not eating it sparingly.

Shan, maybe we can get together and really dig through this. But honestly i think the best way, is to make a personal decision on what you feel is right, pray about it, and go from there.

Outshined, Thanks for those links, good information.

Spencer

What specific blessings do you get?

Is that your motivation? Blessings?

Part of it, I also believe it to be a much healthier lifestyle. In my opinioin. im not knocking on anyone who chooses different, just stating my opinion.

Spencer

[Guest lt]

Originally posted by Outshined+Apr 21 2004, 09:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Outshined @ Apr 21 2004, 09:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--shanstress70@Apr 21 2004, 07:46 AM

And they ESPECIALLY don't address the topic of why it's OK to drink decaf coffee, but not regular coffee, while Coke is OK.

According to THIS LINK, many Church leaders don't feel that way about cola. They seem to put it right in there with coffee and tea.

I hope you get your feelings on this worked out. We're just a bunch of average Joes, but we like to help out our own. B)

outshined....you said it, we are the average joe's....and some tend to stick to every thread of the WOW and others walk the line... it's your comfort zone I guess....

[Guest Taoist_Saint]

But I'm talking about a nice COOL refreshing drink!

[Faerie]

gosh...water must be AWFUL lol

[Luzia]

Originally posted by Faerie@Apr 21 2004, 05:23 PM

gosh...water must be AWFUL lol

LOL

Everyone up for water!

But it`s not always so tasty

I`d go for a good lemonade with no sugar.

[Faerie]

*quease*

[Cal]

Originally posted by Ammon+Apr 19 2004, 01:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ammon @ Apr 19 2004, 01:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Taoist_Saint@Apr 19 2004, 12:57 PM

I don't see why they would not be.  They are non-alcoholic and cold.

I drink O'Douls occasionally.

But I would not volunteer that information in a TR interview.  The Bishop might not agree with my interpretation of the WoW.

My wife brings up the "appearance of evil" argument. Thoughts? Anyone?

The appearance of evil is in the eye of the beholder! What looks evil to one may look perfectly innocent to another. You can't go thru life basing all your decisions on what ANOTHER might think is evil. Make your own decisions and hold your head high.

[Davis]

Originally posted by srm@Apr 20 2004, 09:36 PM

Since the WOW says, "Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain." O'douls, being a mild drink, must be OK?

Actually, beer itself is a mild drink, if you compare it to whiskey or vodka or peppermint schnapps. Even Joseph Smith himself was known to throw down a brewski, even as late as June 1844. In fact, he had a fully stocked bar with Porter Rockwell as his bartender. True stuff. I think that the Word of Wisdom is a misinterpretation of D&C 89 and not at all what Joseph Smith intended. If Joseph Smith had intended for beer to not be drank, then why would the Church's newspaper be adverttising ale and beer from the Nauvoo Brewery in December 1843?

If a prophet can drink beer, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to drink a non-alcoholic beer.

[Guest lt]

Davis,

Its nice to see you back, I miss our old chats

[broadway]

Originally posted by Taoist_Saint@Apr 19 2004, 01:57 PM

I don't see why they would not be.  They are non-alcoholic and cold.

I drink O'Douls occasionally.

But I would not volunteer that information in a TR interview.  The Bishop might not agree with my interpretation of the WoW.

Isn't the point of a TR interview to tell the bishop anything that might keep you from being worthy? Isn't it the bishop's duty to be the judge and not you?

I am asking because I have not gone to the temple yet. I am taking the whole process very seriously. I really do want to know if there is anything in my life that would keep me from being worthy. To purposefull exclude a piece of information that I might think would not allow me to go to the temple seems to defeat the purpose of an interview, does it not?

I am not saying this to down you or point out your twig in your eye...but only to understand the process better.

broadway

[Guest lt]

I think the point itself is that if the prophet wouldnt do it, the lord wouldnt do it, why would you want to. To me its like saying I can watch xrated movies because I'm not cheating on my wife, you are still tempting yourself and that could lead for a face dive. My opinion, just don't it's not worth it...If it looks smells, tastes, feels or seems to be evil , avoid it at all costs.

Just my opinion.

Laureltree

[shanstress70]

Originally posted by LaurelTree@May 12 2004, 07:14 PM

If it looks smells, tastes, feels or seems to be evil , avoid it at all costs.

Maybe it's just me and my apostate thinking, but do you think coffee and tea smells, tastes, feels, or seems to be evil? Just curious.

[Guest bizabra]

Originally posted by shanstress70+May 13 2004, 08:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shanstress70 @ May 13 2004, 08:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--LaurelTree@May 12 2004, 07:14 PM

If it looks smells, tastes, feels or seems to be evil , avoid it at all costs.

Maybe it's just me and my apostate thinking, but do you think coffee and tea smells, tastes, feels, or seems to be evil? Just curious.

I think coffee tastes and smells WONDERFUL! It's YUMMY!

Wine and beer are "evil", too?

Whatever! LOLOLOLOLOL

[Guest Starsky]

Originally posted by shanstress70+May 13 2004, 08:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shanstress70 @ May 13 2004, 08:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--LaurelTree@May 12 2004, 07:14 PM

If it looks smells, tastes, feels or seems to be evil , avoid it at all costs.

Maybe it's just me and my apostate thinking, but do you think coffee and tea smells, tastes, feels, or seems to be evil? Just curious.

I don't know...LOL What does evil taste, smell, or feel like?

[Maureen]

Originally posted by LaurelTree@May 12 2004, 06:14 PM

...If it looks smells, tastes, feels or seems to be evil , avoid it at all costs.

Are you serious LaurelTree? You really think that coffee and tea are evil and therefore consuming them would also make you evil or act evil?

M.

[Guest Starsky]

I will say this....disobedience cause a loss of the Spirit. If the church tells you to do this or not do that and you have taken covenants....I guarantee there will be consequences for disobedience.

It isn't so much what you are told to do, but that you have committed to follow and do as you are taught, that makes an effect on you.

IOW....some live to be 100 years old without following the WofW.....because they were never taught to follow it's precepts and taken covenants to be obedient.

So it isn't the coffee or coke or smoking that is going to rob you of the Spirit, it is disobedience to committed covenants to live in a certain way that will rob you of the Spiritl.

[shanstress70]

Originally posted by Starsky@May 13 2004, 04:32 PM

IOW....some live to be 100 years old without following the WofW.....because they were never taught to follow it's precepts and taken covenants to be obedient.

So you're saying that if someone is taught the WoW, but doesn't follow it, they won't live to be 100 years old? That's bizarre thinking. Or I better get my affairs in order NOW!

[Guest Taoist_Saint]

If GBH interviewed me for a TR, I might volunteer that I sometimes drink O'Doul's.