Carborendum Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) Here are some verses in the Book of Hebrews which mention the veil. (For no particular reason. Quote Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which entereth into that within the veil Hebrews 6:19 Quote And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; Hebrews 9:3 veil footnote: Jesus Christ, Types of, Anticipation Quote And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly. Hebrews 9:5 Quote 19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; Heb 10:19-20 Edited March 17, 2023 by Carborendum Vort 1 Quote
Vort Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 A few thoughts on the veil, a topic which I've thought about a bit over the years: A veil by very definition and etymology is something that separates or covers, usually with the implication of hiding or concealing. "The veil" (variously spelled) mentioned in scriptures is normally a divine concealment of holy things from those who would profane them or who would be damaged in being exposed to those holy things by their own spiritual immaturity. (Though not always: e.g. in Moses 7:26, Satan veils the earth with his chain of bondage.) The veil can be seen not only as a separator but as a portal. Thus, Christ is the Veil to the holiness of the eternities and of Eternity himself. Christ is the Way, or in other words the Portal, to the Father. Christ represents to us the face of the Father until such a time as we, through Christ, can enter into the presence of the Father and behold his face with our own eyes. We have, or at least had, at least two distinct types of veils in the temple, both importantly symbolic of some kind of separation that is bridged in due time and in appropriate ways. Thus, "passing through the veil" denotes leaving behind a lesser life and entering into a greater. Our duty is to prepare to receive this greater life and light. Some of this veil symbolism seems to have been removed—dare I say, veiled—from our endowment presentation. I suspect the reason is the widespread misunderstanding of what the veil is and what it represents, a misunderstanding that leads many women (and men also) to foolishly suppose that the veil is a mark of inferiority rather than a symbol of ordered progress, anticipation, and respect for the holy. Such misunderstanding is a form of solemn mockery, and God will not throw his pearls before swine. Perhaps this is why these things have been taken from us, for a time at least. Carborendum, mordorbund and The Folk Prophet 3 Quote
Carborendum Posted February 28, 2023 Author Report Posted February 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Vort said: A veil by very definition and etymology is something that separates or covers, usually with the implication of hiding or concealing. "The veil" (variously spelled) mentioned in scriptures is normally a divine concealment of holy things from those who would profane them or who would be damaged in being exposed to those holy things by their own spiritual immaturity. I want to add: "Reveal" (Revelation) comes from the phrase: "REturn" (i.e. turn back) a "VEIL". 6 minutes ago, Vort said: We have, or at least had, at least two distinct types of veils in the temple, both importantly symbolic of some kind of separation that is bridged in due time and in appropriate ways. Thus, "passing through the veil" denotes leaving behind a lesser life and entering into a greater. Our duty is to prepare to receive this greater life and light. Until recent studies, it never occurred to me that we use two veils in the temple. I was aware of the process, of course. But the first veil never really registered in my mind. 6 minutes ago, Vort said: Some of this veil symbolism seems to have been removed—dare I say, veiled—from our endowment presentation. To this day, I have a knee-jerk reaction at a particular point. 6 minutes ago, Vort said: I suspect the reason is the widespread misunderstanding of what the veil is and what it represents, a misunderstanding that leads many women (and men also) to foolishly suppose that the veil is a mark of inferiority rather than a symbol of ordered progress, anticipation, and respect for the holy. Such misunderstanding is a form of solemn mockery, and God will not throw his pearls before swine. Perhaps this is why these things have been taken from us, for a time at least. There is some history for this mockery and misunderstanding. Women historically wore veils or head-coverings. While some of the ancients respected the divine meaning of these veils, many who didn't have the proper religious background took to using the term "veil" as a pejorative for females. While in the Catholic church newly minted nuns were said to have "Taken the veil", today, we say they put on the "habit" which means "religious attire." I believe this to have been a desire to get away from the pejorative "veil." We look at ancient things through modern eyes without understanding how deeply intermixed with the human being these symbols reside. Vort 1 Quote
Carborendum Posted September 26, 2024 Author Report Posted September 26, 2024 (edited) I've come across another point about veils. And this feeds right into one of the videos I linked to elsewhere a week or two ago. Women wear veils at weddings. Women wear veils at ... other places. Christ is the Bridegroom and the Church is the Bride. When the veil is removed, the wedding is complete. If sectarians understood this imagery properly, it would make all the sense in the world to shun the idea of "once saved, always saved." In Ancient Israel, the wedding ceremony took a year or longer. I use the term "ceremony". But it could easily be considered "a series of linked ceremonies." Negotiations were made about whether a match was suitable. This "arranged marriage" idea sounds crude to our modern sensibilities. But keep in mind The bride always had the right to say no. Often, the bride and groom found each other already and wanted to get married. But all the negotiations, etc. were about the adults in the room making sure it would be a good match and that the groom was worthy of the bride. This also had a big impact on the practice of bride kidnapping (i.e. a man wanted a virgin. And he would just take her to wife without the woman's say so). Yes, this is what we'd call kidnapping, enslaving, and rape today. So, again, this was a process to reject barbaric practices that were very common back then. A contract was signed on what the responsibilities were for the bride and the groom. It was basically a prenup -- at least, that is the closest thing we have in this day and age. Then they were separated for a year. This was to allow the bride's family to get a dowry together and for the groom to get his house in order -- "he went to prepare a place for" the couple. Then the festivities would start with the groom's herald (usually the best man) blowing a trumpet to announce that the groom was coming. Now compare this to the things we do today with veils. We "sign a contract" through baptism and confirmation. We had to wait a year (this practice has been suspended since COVID) before we could get our endowments and do veil work. Not a trumpet, but another "instrument" is used to announce our desire to remove the veil. The wedding ceremony is complete only after we "look upon the face of God and live." Let us not be lazy because of the easiness of the way, for we have but to look and live. Awake and arise! The trumpet hath sounded! Shake thyself from the dust of the earth, ye Sons of God. Put on thy beautiful garments, O daughters of Zion. Strengthen thy stakes and enlarge thy borders forever That the covenants of the Eternal Father may be fulfilled, That ye may sit down upon thy throne forever. Edited September 26, 2024 by Carborendum Quote
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