Temple Work

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[Jenda]

According to Section 76, if you reject the gospel here on earth (after having heard and understood it) you cannot enter into the Celestial Kingdom. That is correct.

And if that is the case, I don't know what the point is. But then, I am not a good one to answer this question.

[shanstress70]

Jenda,

Who is your avatar? Just curious...

[Jenda]

It is the dude from The Matrix. Keanu Reeves.

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[Jenda]

Tao, one of my points was that I am not a member, so therefore there are things that I don't know. There might be a reason for doing it, I just don't know what it is because I am not a member. But others might know.

[Guest Taoist_Saint]

:)

[shanstress70]

Originally posted by Jenda@May 20 2004, 07:30 PM

It is the dude from The Matrix. Keanu Reeves.

Oh, shoulda known that. He is one fine specimen.

Sorry to go off topic, Tao. I don't have anything to add to this conversation.

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:)

[shanstress70]

OK, Tao, since you didn't seem to mind me going off topic...

Jenda, I'm now assuming you're a Keanu fan. Did you happen to see him in 'Something's Gotta Give' with Jack Nicholson and Diane Keaton? He was quite irresistable in that! (Or are you just a Matrix fan?)

[Jenda]

Originally posted by shanstress70@May 20 2004, 07:12 PM

OK, Tao, since you didn't seem to mind me going off topic...

Jenda, I'm now assuming you're a Keanu fan. Did you happen to see him in 'Something's Gotta Give' with Jack Nicholson and Diane Keaton? He was quite irresistable in that! (Or are you just a Matrix fan?)

I did see "Something's Gotta Give", and it was cute, but mostly I am a Matrix fan. Except that the last Matrix movie bombed. It did not live up to it's predecessors at all. I was most thoroughly disappointed. It had such potential.

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:)

[Jenda]

It was the ending (the ultimate plot) that I didn't like. The Mr. Smith program taking over the world. Sheesh.

I did like the references to Zion, good and evil, those who couldn't "see", an ultimate power, etc., they not only smack of Christianity, they smack of restorationism. I have always wondered if one of the writers was a member of some branch of the restoration churches.

[Snow]

Originally posted by Taoist_Saint@May 20 2004, 06:13 PM

Theoretically, if I was to do temple work for my non-Mormon parents, isn't the point to get them sealed to me in the Celestial Kingdom?

What temple work are you trying to do for your non-Mormon parents, who presumably are not with us any more.

If they are proxy-baptised, then they are proxy-baptised, not sealed. If you take out their proxy-endowments then they are proxy-endowed, not sealed... etc.

Are you trying to get them first proxy-married/sealed to each other and then sealed to you?

Besides, I don't think the only purpose of doing temple work is to benefit the dead. It effect on the living is half the equation.

[Ray]

Originally posted by Taoist Saint@ May 20 2004, 06:52 PM

So my non-Mormon relatives could theoretically go to the CK if Temple Work is done for them?

Yes, Tao, that is theoretically correct. Everyone gets into the Celestial Kingdom the same way. First, we must come to know and understand the gospel, or at least enough of it to know that we must receive and live by certain ordinances. If we don’t receive those ordinances, or if we don’t live by them, then they don’t do us any good, do they.

Everyone will receive the opportunity to have the gospel explained to them sufficiently enough so that they will understand it, and everyone will also have the opportunity to receive a testimony from the Holy Ghost to assure them that they must receive certain ordinances to signify an acceptance of the gospel. Consider this to be the “receiving” factor. After a person “receives” some information, he/she then chooses either to accept it, reject it, or investigate to get more information, right?

Sometimes people reject something because they don’t clearly understand it, but in this case, enough of the gospel will be fully explained to everybody and everybody will have the opportunity to receive a testimony from the Holy Ghost to assure them that the gospel is true.

If someone doesn’t accept all of the ordinances that our Lord and our heavenly Father reveal to us, then they aren’t accepting all of the gospel that our Lord and our heavenly Father have revealed to us, are they.

That means that the only people who won’t go to the Celestial Kingdom will be the people who reject what they have received and clearly understood, but rejected.

Btw, since many people don’t use the word “ordinance”, I suggest thinking of it as a decree, order, rule, regulation, or law. If you don’t abide by a law, you don’t benefit from it.

[Maureen]

Ray, you're back. Where have you been?

M.

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[Ray]

Originally posted by Maureen@ May 21 2004, 09:07 AM

Ray, you're back. Where have you been?

M.

An interesting question. Can I take it to mean that you are happy to see my posts here again on this board?

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[Maureen]

Originally posted by Ray+May 21 2004, 09:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ray @ May 21 2004, 09:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Maureen@ May 21 2004, 09:07 AM

Ray, you're back. Where have you been?

M.

An interesting question. Can I take it to mean that you are happy to see my posts here again on this board?

I think its got to do with familiarity. There have been a few new people here, so when an old poster shows up it sparks curiousity as to where they've been and it's a reminder that you were once a very regular poster here.

To confess, I didn't actually read your post, just skimmed it a bit. But I did notice it was you. :)

M.

[Guest Chell]

Btw, since many people don’t use the word “ordinance”, I suggest thinking of it as a decree, order, rule, regulation, or law. If you don’t abide by a law, you don’t benefit from it.

Nicely put.

[Faerie]

I can't add much to Ray's post...

but here's my understanding of how sealing works w/ divorce...

you are sealed to each parent seperately...right? as far as to whom they are sealed for eternal marriage, i believe you are to seal to all spouses, and they make the decision to whom they want to be sealed in the spirit world...

i could be wrong...

[broadway]

Originally posted by Taoist_Saint@May 20 2004, 07:13 PM

Theoretically, if I was to do temple work for my non-Mormon parents, isn't the point to get them sealed to me in the Celestial Kingdom?

But according to LDS Doctrine:

Celestial

“They are they who received the testimony of Jesus, and believed on his name and were baptized, … that by keeping the commandments they might be washed and cleansed from all their sins, and receive the Holy Spirit.” These are they who overcome the world by their faith. They are just and true so that the Holy Ghost can seal their blessings upon them. (See D&C 76:51-53.) Those who inherit the highest degree of the celestial kingdom, who become gods, must also have been married for eternity in the temple (see D&C 131:1-4). All who inherit the celestial kingdom will live with Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ forever (see D&C 76:62).

Terrestrial

These are they who rejected the gospel on earth but afterward received it in the spirit world. These are the honorable people on the earth who were blinded to the gospel of Jesus Christ by the craftiness of men. These are also they who received the gospel and a testimony of Jesus but then were not valiant. They will be visited by Jesus Christ but not by our Heavenly Father. (See D&C 76:73-79.) They will not be part of eternal families; they will live separately and singly forever (see D&C 131:1-4).

Telestial

These people did not receive the gospel or the testimony of Jesus either on earth or in the spirit world. They will suffer for their own sins in hell until after the Millennium, when they will be resurrected. “These are they who are liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie.” These people are as numerous as the stars in heaven and the sand on the seashore. They will be visited by the Holy Ghost but not by the Father or the Son. (See D&C 76:81-86, D&C 76:103-6.)

(That was from "Gospel Principles")

It sounds like if I did Temple Work for my non-Mormon family, they would end up in the Terrestrial Kingdom because they did not recieve the Gospel on earth. If that is true, what is the point of Temple Work?

no, the point in doing Temple work is to give all people the chance to accept or reject the gospel.

[Jenda]

Originally posted by broadway+May 22 2004, 04:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (broadway @ May 22 2004, 04:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Taoist_Saint@May 20 2004, 07:13 PM

Theoretically, if I was to do temple work for my non-Mormon parents, isn't the point to get them sealed to me in the Celestial Kingdom?

But according to LDS Doctrine:

Celestial

“They are they who received the testimony of Jesus, and believed on his name and were baptized, … that by keeping the commandments they might be washed and cleansed from all their sins, and receive the Holy Spirit.” These are they who overcome the world by their faith. They are just and true so that the Holy Ghost can seal their blessings upon them. (See D&C 76:51-53.) Those who inherit the highest degree of the celestial kingdom, who become gods, must also have been married for eternity in the temple (see D&C 131:1-4). All who inherit the celestial kingdom will live with Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ forever (see D&C 76:62).

Terrestrial

These are they who rejected the gospel on earth but afterward received it in the spirit world. These are the honorable people on the earth who were blinded to the gospel of Jesus Christ by the craftiness of men. These are also they who received the gospel and a testimony of Jesus but then were not valiant. They will be visited by Jesus Christ but not by our Heavenly Father. (See D&C 76:73-79.) They will not be part of eternal families; they will live separately and singly forever (see D&C 131:1-4).

Telestial

These people did not receive the gospel or the testimony of Jesus either on earth or in the spirit world. They will suffer for their own sins in hell until after the Millennium, when they will be resurrected. “These are they who are liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie.” These people are as numerous as the stars in heaven and the sand on the seashore. They will be visited by the Holy Ghost but not by the Father or the Son. (See D&C 76:81-86, D&C 76:103-6.)

(That was from "Gospel Principles")

It sounds like if I did Temple Work for my non-Mormon family, they would end up in the Terrestrial Kingdom because they did not recieve the Gospel on earth. If that is true, what is the point of Temple Work?

no, the point in doing Temple work is to give all people the chance to accept or reject the gospel.

What I thought it was was the opportunity for all who had died previous to hearing the gospel to be baptized, etc., in case they accepted the gospel. They will hear the gospel in the prisonhouse prior to resurrection. Of course, IMO, those who accept the gospel in the prisonhouse will come forth with the resurrection of the just, prior to the millenium, and will have the chance during the millenium to be baptized, negating the need for baptism for the dead.