AI Is the Threat that Pres. Nelson Warned About

[Carborendum]

4 minutes ago, zil2 said:

Here's a unique thing about being the youngest (which I am): There's no one for you to take care of.  Everyone takes care of you.  Further, you tend to get more independence as your parents are busy worrying about the more serious problems of the older children and they're not as paranoid that every little thing you do will harm you, etc. etc.  In some ways, you grow up faster (independence), in others, you mature more slowly (caring for others).

IMO, that scenario stunts your ability / need / desire to seek the Spirit.  Don't ask me how you overcome that - receiving guidance from the Spirit is a challenge for me to this day.  But I believe it has something to do with it.  FWIW.

Hmmm... That's a good point.  I've got some ideas now.

Thanks.

[zil2]

1 minute ago, Carborendum said:

I remember that episode.  And it didn't really go down like that. 

They found unusual behavior from some substance they found on the planet that had properties that normally didn't come in the same package.  They were perplexed as to what it was.

Dr. Crusher then asked the computer: "Disregard the inconsistencies and theorize as to the nature of this substance."  The computer responded, "Life."

Are you seriously gonna make me go put in the Blu-ray?  Sigh.  (Your bit comes after the "redo what you just did" (or I'm conflating with another episode, in which case, I'll have to binge the whole dang series).)  BRB...  (Hooray for the fact that I once downloaded all the scripts...)

Quote

                    BEVERLY
                (continuing; to group)
            Let's be sure of what we have
            here.
                (to the scanner)
            Is the sample organic?

                    COMPUTER VOICE
            Negative carbon. Negative known
            life components. Substance
            inorganic.

                    DATA
            Recheck analysis.

                    COMPUTER VOICE
            Rechecking... Analysis verified.
            Not organic.

And Data, no less!  If anyone should know that the computer isn't going to come up with a different answer, it's Data!!

[Carborendum]

Hmm..  Looks like I forgot that exchange.  I knew there were some things said that were confusing.  But I didn't remember that last part with Data.

[NeuroTypical]

By the way, on the X platform you can now talk and argue, in a thread, with it's Grok AI.   It's pretty dang amazing, revolutionary even.  And yes, you can get Grok to "change his mind" at the drop of a hat, just by adding to the information available.  

Consider a post about how the Boulder terrorist's family is being deported.   Here's a paraphrase of how arguing with Grok goes: 

Pro-illegal guy: @Grok Would you consider punishing family members of a lawbreaker to be a fascist action for a government to take?  One word answer please. 

Grok: Yes.

Pro-trump guy: @Grok if the family of the boulder bombing suspect is in the country illegally and they get deported, would you consider that a punishment for being related to the suspect? Why or why not?

Grok: No. [Grok gives a well-reasoned answer]

 

It's amazing to watch.  Just went live in the last month or five.  Musk's stated objective is to have Grok "push towards the truth".  We'll see.

Edited Wednesday at 03:27 PM by NeuroTypical

[zil2]

16 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

Hmm..  Looks like I forgot that exchange.  I knew there were some things said that were confusing.  But I didn't remember that last part with Data.

I'm confident this isn't the only place where they ask the computer to recheck its own analysis, but I am not in the mood to binge watch the whole series, and it's not the kind of thing you can easily search the scripts for, even with regular expression.  On the other hand, I could do a google "AI" search to see if it can tell me episodes where they told the computer to recheck its own results... (Arg!!)

Ha!  Apparently I'm better at remembering what TNG does than Google's AI - it couldn't even find "Home Soil".

[zil2]

On an entirely unrelated note: If the first generation to receive the law of Moses were familiar with what bacon tastes like (and their bacon was anything like the bacon I'm having for breakfast right now), then this was the single most difficult bit of the law of Moses for said people to accept and obey.  In fact, I'm thinking they may have said, "Let us have one more (extra large) helping of bacon, and then we'll start in on obeying this law, OK?  Pretty please?"  After which, they proceeded to eat 4 pounds of bacon per person.

[Carborendum]

11 minutes ago, zil2 said:

I'm confident this isn't the only place where they ask the computer to recheck its own analysis, but I am not in the mood to binge watch the whole series, and it's not the kind of thing you can easily search the scripts for, even with regular expression.  On the other hand, I could do a google "AI" search to see if it can tell me episodes where they told the computer to recheck its own results... (Arg!!)

Ha!  Apparently I'm better at remembering what TNG does than Google's AI - it couldn't even find "Home Soil".

I just realized that Data's question was not contiguous with my recalled quote.  It was a fairly long scene and Data spoke near the beginning.  Crusher's question was near the end.

That's why I didn't remember them together.

But, yeah.  Data's redundant request was a bit superfluous.

[Carborendum]

22 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

By the way, on the X platform you can now talk and argue, in a thread, with it's Grok AI.   It's pretty dang amazing, revolutionary even.  And yes, you can get Grok to "change his mind" at the drop of a hat, just by adding to the information available.  

Consider a post about how the Boulder terrorist's family is being deported.   Here's a paraphrase of how arguing with Grok goes: 

Pro-illegal guy: @Grok Would you consider punishing family members of a lawbreaker to be a fascist action for a government to take?  One word answer please. 

Grok: Yes.

Pro-trump guy: @Grok if the family of the boulder bombing suspect is in the country illegally and they get deported, would you consider that a punishment for being related to the suspect? Why or why not?

Grok: No. [Grok gives a well-reasoned answer]

 

It's amazing to watch.  Just went live in the last month or five.  Musk's stated objective is to have Grok "push towards the truth".  We'll see.

This brings up another aspect of why AI will become more and more dangerous.  People are using it to settle "moral" questions.  It is being used to settle questions of right and wrong, truth vs error.  Morality can never be reduced to a programmable variable.  Right or wrong.  What is a greater evil than another?  What is "the greater good"?

These are questions philosophers have struggled with fore millennia.  Can we surmise to be able to program that into a soulless chunk of minerals that was merely the creation of human hands? 

That is idolatry.

Edited Wednesday at 03:49 PM by Carborendum

[Carborendum]

18 minutes ago, zil2 said:

...After which, they proceeded to eat 4 pounds of bacon per person.

That sounds like something spoken by a person with experience.  

[zil2]

17 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

That sounds like something spoken by a person with experience.  

Only desiring to make it personal experience.  But let's face it, once a pound of bacon is cooked, it's not nearly as much bacon as it was before it was cooked, and I suspect I would have no trouble at all stuffing a couple pounds of bacon into my gut.  Not sure if I could manage 4.  And I might be satisfied with 1, and sick of it by 2.  But I'm too old to make the attempt - such things are for people younger than I - probably by 2+ decades...

[NeuroTypical]

51 minutes ago, zil2 said:

I am not in the mood to binge watch the whole series

This is the first time I've ever been disappointed in Zil.   And here I thought you had true trekkie cred.

[zil2]

51 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

This is the first time I've ever been disappointed in Zil.   And here I thought you had true trekkie cred.

Dude, did you read the thread?  I have binge-watched it more than once.  I have all the TV series and the movies on Blu-ray.  I have the scripts!  (Just for fun, I've attached the script for "The Measure of a Man", which is quite possibly the best episode - though they could have made some additional arguments in favor of Data's rights, but whatever.) I have the link to Memory Alpha.  I have the Wikipedia episode guides bookmarked (they're the easiest to quickly find the episode, IMO).  And I have bookmarks to the ship layout!  Here are decks 8 and 9 for you - let me know if you need a link to the full album:

That said, it's really only TNG that I ever liked, and the older I get, the less I like it - really, it's full of things that are so opposed to what the gospel teaches that I have a hard time putting up with those episodes anymore. Sometimes, I make up my own episodes, just so I don't have to be disappointed by their immorality.

So, yeah, feel free to take my Trekkie card.

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[Carborendum]

1 hour ago, zil2 said:

Dude, did you read the thread?  I have binge-watched it more than once.  I have all the TV series and the movies on Blu-ray.  I have the scripts!

Gees, Zil.  What are you some kind of Trekkie?

[NeuroTypical]

2 hours ago, zil2 said:

Dude, did you read the thread?  I have binge-watched it more than once. 

Well, yes, but you weren't up for binge-watching it again, at the spur of a moment, for the mere reason that it might strengthen your case as you argued online about Star Trek, right?  I mean, where are your priorities?