kona0197 Posted March 10, 2008 Author Report Posted March 10, 2008 Yeah but our Bishop says we have to have a license. Then we can become members. If social security found out then it's all over.
crytsprospect Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 Just live the best you can. Do your best and all will come to you . Sometimes we are in a hurry to fix things. Just a side note my dad and his wife divorced and never left each other because of ss issues. It just mattered that they weren't married. Great law huh
kona0197 Posted March 10, 2008 Author Report Posted March 10, 2008 It's a law that really makes me mad. Very mad. Social Security law is preventing me from becoming a member and all the blessings. What do I do in the meantime? Pray? Read scriptures? Hold Monday night home evenings? Quit drinking my occasional beer and live as close to a saint as I can get? I'm confused.. How do I get that law changed?
VisionOfLehi Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 SS is not preventing you. Anyway, I'm going to ask you to start replying to people who're trying to help you with less attitude. I can't make you, it's just a request. Why is your girlfriend on Social Security? Physical disability or mental? How much does she receive? Which SS counselor told you she'd lose benefits if she were married? Where do you work, and why does it yield only $175 a week? Being a member doesn't necessarily matter if you're not able to at this point. There is a man in my ward who went to Church for some time before deciding he wanted to be baptized. Years I think. But, he was actually able to hold a calling. A lot of that stuff depends on who the Bishop is at the time. (I don't think he was set apart, but he was asked to teach a class) I'm not saying that'd happen to you, but by going to Church you at least learn more about the Gospel and surround yourself with the Spirit, until that point in time where life is manageable and you can actually join.
kona0197 Posted March 10, 2008 Author Report Posted March 10, 2008 SS is not preventing you.Anyway, I'm going to ask you to start replying to people who're trying to help you with less attitude. I can't make you, it's just a request.Why is your girlfriend on Social Security? Physical disability or mental?How much does she receive? Which SS counselor told you she'd lose benefits if she were married? Where do you work, and why does it yield only $175 a week?I don't have an attitude. If you think I do it must be because you haven't dealt with my postings much. Trust me I'm very calm and collected.She has a physical disability. Hurt back. She has been on SS for years. She gets about 400 dollars a month. Every counselor we talk to told us if we marry she will lose her income weather we talk to them on the phone or in the office. I work at Walmart. I get around 30 hours a week. I can't afford to go to school for a better job nor can I get financial aid to go to school from the feds as I already did that and haven't paid them back.So yes SS is holding us back.
crytsprospect Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 Kona your OK and maybe for now all you can do is be the best you can be . Lots of people do not understand the Social Security Laws and they seem to not understand how hard it is just to survive in this world. You can learn more about Social Security Law and You can contact your representatives and Senators about this problem that happens to so many people.
kona0197 Posted March 10, 2008 Author Report Posted March 10, 2008 We have contacted our Senators. No word back yet.
crytsprospect Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 Keep trying Is there any group action or anything on the internet? don't know but you just don't give up and until then do your best. We are not expected to do more than we are able.
kona0197 Posted March 10, 2008 Author Report Posted March 10, 2008 Perhaps you could look into that my friend - I gave up some time ago... I'm going to bed. TTYL guys.
crytsprospect Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 Challenge will see if I can stir up the wonderful world of the internet and google.
VisionOfLehi Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 I don't have an attitude. If you think I do it must be because you haven't dealt with my postings much. Trust me I'm very calm and collected.She has a physical disability. Hurt back. She has been on SS for years. She gets about 400 dollars a month. Every counselor we talk to told us if we marry she will lose her income weather we talk to them on the phone or in the office. I work at Walmart. I get around 30 hours a week. I can't afford to go to school for a better job nor can I get financial aid to go to school from the feds as I already did that and haven't paid them back.So yes SS is holding us back.Many of your posts, while they may be calm, are also antagonistic.Sounds like you earn less than $6/hr, which kinda sucks (in the sense that minimum wage here in Iowa just went up to $7.25 at the beginning of the year).Have you looked around for other jobs, and are you still looking? You said you enjoyed your job now, but if something better comes along you want to be on the look out for it.Although it's a crappy thing, and she may in fact lose her benefits, have they told you that she wouldn't be able to reapply, as a married woman? It seems strange to me that only single people can receive benefits.
WillowTheWhisp Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 I wish I could give you some practical answers but I don't know the SS system over there so wouldn't know where to start. I am fairly sure that over here just living with someone who was working would affects someone's benefits. My husband and I would be financially better off if he didn't live ehere even if we were still married. I also know that here if you are a married couple on such a low income that there are alternative benefits available such as tax credits to bring you up to a reasonable level. Your wage sounds appalling if you are working full time. Basically what you are saying is that you would lose $400 a month is you marry, but if there is another way of receiving $400 a month then that wouldn't be a problem. Am I right? Then there needs to be an alternative source of income for you both.I can understand the Bishop not being able to help because I assume his hands are tied if he is asked to help a non-member, which is what you are even though you attend sacrament meeting if you have not been baptised. We've had cases where people have been persuaded to join the church just to get welfare handouts, not because they have a testimony of the truthfulness of the Gospel. That isn't fair on either the church or them. Perhaps that is the Bishop's concern. Perhaps also by saying that you will look for another church which can help you out you are confirming any possible suspicions that he may have had that you may not have a testimony of the church and will go along with anything which seems a better deal for you.That isn't what the Church is all about. I (and many others here) have made covenants with the Lord that we are willing to give up everything, even our lives if necessary, for the Kingdom of God. That's a little scary the more I think about it.I know it must seem like you are in a no-win situation but from reading your posts I believe the Lord is testing you to find out if you really do trust him. Remember Abraham and what the Lord asked him to do? How would you have reacted if asked to sacrifice your only son? I know how I would have reacted. I would have pleaded for an alternative and I would have stood there and said, "Sorry, but I just can't do it. I can't believe you would ask me such a thing!" - but Abraham was obedient. His heart must have been breaking, especially when Isaac asked him where the sacrificial offering was. I just cannot imagine how that father felt when he was piling the wood to burn.How about Peter? When Jesus asked him to step out of the boat onto the water? Would you have stepped out? I don't think I would. I'd have probably replied. "It's all very well for you. You are the Son of God but I'm just an ordinary human being and I don't want to drown!" I would like to think I could have had the faith Peter showed (even though he too wavered.) but I don't think I could. If it came right down to it, I just don't know.What the Lord is actually saying though is, "trust me" and it basically boils down to do we trust him or not. I remember when my brother-in-law criticised my first husband and myself for being members of a church which "takes a tenth of your money even when you're skint" as he went to the C of E and sometimes put only a few pence in the collection plate despite being the managing director of a company. Our Bishop at the time replied that if he was happy enough to pay cut price offerings perhaps he shouldn't complain when he only received cut price blessings. I have always remembered that. He didn't beat about the bush that Bishop. Incidentally the church my B-i-L attended has now closed its doors as it fell into disrepair and they couldn't raise enough money from the parishioners to pay the bills.I know it's hard to take that first step of faith when it doesn't look like there is any answer to the dilemma facing you - but there IS an answer. The first part of the answer is within you. Ask yourself are you really sincere about wanting to join the church. If the answer to that is yes, then you will remove any obstacle which is in your path which is preventing you from doing that.Don't go to your Bishop asking for a handout. Go to your Bishop telling him what the problem is and ask him what he suggests you do. Don't tell the Lord what you think the answer to your prayer should be (Church Welfare) - go to the Lord and tell him what your problems are and what your goal is. Tell him what is stopping you from reaching that goal and then ASK HIM how to solve it. And most importantly, when he tells you what to do, don't dismiss his advice because it isn't what you want to hear. He knows what is best for us far better than we do. Most importantly, do not run away.Try to see the eternal perspective.If your house was old and the roof leaked and your car broke down every other week but then you were told by someone that next Christmas you could have a brand new house and a new car but in order to qualify you had to walk five miles a day every day between now and then - would you do it? I think I would. Even if it was raining, hailing, snowing. I would see the car and the house and think that every day was another day nearer to having those rewards and I would stick at it. I wouldn't want to spend the rest of my life in a house that was falling apart and struggle with a car that wouldn't start if I could have something far better eventually if I just struggled through a few months of difficulty to obtain it.Well, the eternal rewards are a million times better than the house and car. Our lives on earth are like those few months of struggle walking the 5 miles a day but to end up with an eternal promise of a place in the Kingdom of God I believe it's worth the struggle.My life is not easy, believe me it is not easy and there are times when I think I can't go on, but I do. Sometimes it's only the strength I gain from the prayerful support of others that has kept me going, but I hang on in there because I know it's true and I want to be with Heavenly Father again. The alternatives on earth would be easier by far - but I would regret it forever in eternity.Heavenly Father loves you and wants you in his Church. Satan wants to keep you out. Who are you going to follow? Satan's path is wide and easy - but it leads to a dead end.There WILL be a way. I can assure you there will be a way. I do not know what that way will be but if you are sincere in your desire to be a member of this church then I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there WILL be a way. Instead of looking at the reasons why not, look for the reasons why and search for the alternative solutions. You may be pleasantly surprised that you actually end up better off in the long run.
Elgama Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 Thanks Willow I needed that post - right now our finances are a little scary, I do know if I put one foot in front of the other I will make it eventually -Charley
VisionOfLehi Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 That is a great post. It makes me think of the stories I've heard about members who HAVE given up their homes so that they could join the Church. Some because of who they were living with... Some because by joining they were kicked out of their home. It's amazing what some people will do for the Lord just on faith, even when they know exactly what the world will do.
Guest GreenMum Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 --- my limited advice --- Where there is a will, there is a way. -much truth in this statement-
WillowTheWhisp Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 The title of this thread says it all:'Even if................. 'rather than 'I want to but............'
a-train Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 The Magnificent A-train's prediction: ..You.. ...will quit your Walmart job... The one you love..... ..you will marry her.... ...immediately. ...The... ...Social Security people.... ...you tell them to p%&s off... ...You and your new wife... ...your together... ...you receive help.... ...help from the ward... ...they are helping while you find a new job... ...The new job... ...it's in the realm of service... ...it's like valet parking or bellhopping.... ...Wait, is it... ...I'm seeing... ...limo driver... ...You will work 50 hours a week... ...your income will be much higher than your family's total income now... ....you will enjoy your work.... ...Willie Nelson comes to town.... ..you are driving him... ....He is smoking a dube in the car.... ..his assistant gives you an extra twenty for the trouble and offers you a toke... ..you take the twenty... ..you politely decline the puff..... ....your wife is laughing as you tell the story...
WillowTheWhisp Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 A-train you are a silly billy. Have you got a vision for me please?
crytsprospect Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 come on I want in on this one. vision please :)
kona0197 Posted March 10, 2008 Author Report Posted March 10, 2008 Many of your posts, while they may be calm, are also antagonistic.Sounds like you earn less than $6/hr, which kinda sucks (in the sense that minimum wage here in Iowa just went up to $7.25 at the beginning of the year).Have you looked around for other jobs, and are you still looking? You said you enjoyed your job now, but if something better comes along you want to be on the look out for it.Although it's a crappy thing, and she may in fact lose her benefits, have they told you that she wouldn't be able to reapply, as a married woman? It seems strange to me that only single people can receive benefits.My posts are not antagonistic. I just speak my mind. I'm sorry you feel that way.Guess again. I make 8.85 an hour. I'm not gonna look for another job I'm quite happy where I am at and why would I want to give up all the benefits I get?We don't know if she can re-apply...
kona0197 Posted March 10, 2008 Author Report Posted March 10, 2008 A-train - I'm not quitting my job at Walmart. Hours are just low right now and are picking back up soon.
crytsprospect Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 Right now I'm thinking your getting some misinformation -----mabey because I have a friend who is married and just got disability and didn't loose anything because of other income. I was told I could get disability ssi because of my injury and health probs. and am married, his income has no factor. The law must be screwy if this is the case for you. I am still searching for answers Kona
Misshalfway Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 Kona, Use your faith! Rely on your faith in God's power more than your need for a roof over your head!! God wants your faith more than your roof! Let God move the mountains in your life. He is good at that. It is easy for him. And it is His absolute joy to do so. Let your will be swallowed up into His will. There is tremendous safety there!
crytsprospect Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 We are not suppose to just live on faith . We are to do all we can , to try to help ourselves , to learn and grow. We are not suppose to run faster than we are able.
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