Revelations 22:18

[Hemidakota]

Who says it is not true?

[Elgama]

Isn't saying the Bible is not true kind of like saying Jesus didn't exist?

not really no Jesus is revered in many religions - and Jesus does exist. I am not saying the Bible is not true what i am saying is that the same Faith is involved in taking it as the Word of God as a Latter Day Saint applies to an open canon, a Hindu to the Veda's, Muslim to the Quran. Its no more reliable than any of those works without Faith,

-Charley

[kona0197]

I was just replying to the statements that some could say that Moses didn't exist a few replies ago...

[Elgama]

I was just replying to the statements that some could say that Moses didn't exist a few replies ago...

I don't see what Moses existing has to do with whether Jesus did or not?

-Charley

[kona0197]

It was an example.

[Elgama]

It was an example.

of what? I am sorry your arguement isn't very clear

-Charley

[kona0197]

First you said something about no archaeological evidence that proves any of the patriarchs exist. Then I said isn't saying the Bible is not true kind of like saying Jesus didn't exist?

What part did you not understand?

[Elgama]

First you said something about no archaeological evidence that proves any of the patriarchs exist. Then I said isn't saying the Bible is not true kind of like saying Jesus didn't exist?

What part did you not understand?

I didn't say the Bible wasn't true just there was no evidence for the patriachs existing apart from the Bible and Quran. What I said was there was no archaeological evidence that the Bible was the Word of God, if Abraham, Isaac and Moses etc did exist what archaeological evidence do you have that they were prophets and not just mad?

-Charley

[kona0197]

Funny thing is that the Bible doesn't call them prophets. Nor do I.

[Elgama]

Funny thing is that the Bible doesn't call them prophets. Nor do I.

so they did not receive revelation from God? So the Words in the Bible by that logic are not from God at all?

-Charley

[DapperDan]

I still think the verse was meant as a warning to adding on the the Bible.

That's part of the reason I have never prayed about weather or not the BOM is true. That and there is no physical proof about any of the stuff in the BOM. Any 2nd Nephi 29 bothers me. How would people back in 33 AD know about the Bible?

kona,

Please explain why you still think this verse was meant as a warning to not add on to the Bible. I don't see where you have supported that notion.

Also, please explain the need for physical proof in a world where faith rules. There is no physical proof of the ressurection and yet i assume you believe. There is no physical proof of the Israelites crossing the Red Sea and yet we all believe it. There is actually no physical proof of Adam and Eve and yet......you get the point.

please expand on your own thoughts.

[DapperDan]

I still think the verse was meant as a warning to adding on the the Bible.

That's part of the reason I have never prayed about weather or not the BOM is true. That and there is no physical proof about any of the stuff in the BOM. Any 2nd Nephi 29 bothers me. How would people back in 33 AD know about the Bible?

Further, please tell me how John knew about a Bible in 60-something AD also?

[kona0197]

Right now I do not feel like explaining myself. I believe what I believe.

Suffice it to say I do not feel the BOM is true.

But that's my opinion.

[DapperDan]

Right now I do not feel like explaining myself. I believe what I believe.

Suffice it to say I do not feel the BOM is true.

But that's my opinion.

i hear you. sometimes it's quite a bit less effort to argue against someone else's stuff than stand up for your own.

[Hemidakota]

Doesn't physical proof come after a trial ones faith?

[kona0197]

I would agree with that.

[Hemidakota]

Anyone understand the term 'Hubris' and 'Ate'?

[kona0197]

I guess I could concede and say that yes faith can prove that the BOM is true. I really want to believe it is true as it has already had such an impact on my life.

[Hemidakota]

Kona, how much research have you done concerning the historicity of the BOM? Just curious...

[kona0197]

Plenty. Almost a years worth.

[Misshalfway]

I guess I could concede and say that yes faith can prove that the BOM is true. I really want to believe it is true as it has already had such an impact on my life.

At the end of the day, this is why I believe the BofM. It has had such a profound impact on my life. I cannot explain........... It has enhanced my understanding of almost every principle of the gospel. But even more than that it has changed me as a person. I have one set of scriptures that is literally falling apart because I have read them so many times. The BofM is a gift that keeps on giving. And I am so grateful for it. So, as much as I love to talk doctrine and details....at the end of all the debating and discussion is this deep knowledge about the power of the book. They say the proof is in the pudding. And for me it is tasting the power of the book that has proved its worth to me.

[Hemidakota]

Plenty. Almost a years worth.

You have read the entire BOM, correct?

[kona0197]

Yes. And the entire D&C and Pearl Of Great Price.

[Hemidakota]

There are several sites that afford us the luxury with observing some else’s research and findings; some of which, I do track and keep there works on my own electronic library. The caution I can give, is read, ponder, and then pray for guidance with discernment. [google the author - with maps, zoom-in on the southern portion of Mexico and type in Zarahemla]

Garth Norman

Jerry Ainsworth

Brent Gardner

Stan Grist [Giants in the land]

Ben L. Olsen

Richard Jones [Olmecs]

Here is a few to start with of 40-plus researchers who been at this parallel effort of proving out the BOM historical sites.

[jadams_4040]

So how do you explain this passage? I believe it pertains to the whole Bible.

Well being as john wrote this passage and later went on to write two more books simply proves it only pertained to revealations? {i didnt read all the replys so hope this isnt a requote?}:)