Girls removed from FLDS ranch in texas.

[kona0197]

I won't walk into a Walmart for anything. By the time you add up all the different countries that product is imported from through Walmart, more money spent in Walmart leaves the COUNTRY than stays in our local town (unless our town is Bentonville, Arkansas).

Not true. I know because I work there. walmart has put loads of money into our town.

[kona0197]

Sorry Shell - it's called progress.

[a-train]

I never said I shop at Walmart. ??? There will never come an end to mom and pop shops. I own one and have for almost a decade. There are fourth generation shops in Kansas City and some of them are doing better today than ever.

Progress? Do you really consider the closure of local businesses progress?

-a-train

[kona0197]

To a point yes. I'll admit we need some of the small shops around for specialty items.

I'm just a bit annoyed that you would say that you will not eat anywhere except a local owned restaurant. Well my McDonald's here is a franchise and the owner lives here - does that count?

I will also admit that we have this great local burger place just outside town. Way better than any of the nation chains.

Sorry - looks like I made a fool of myself again.

[Shell72]

Sorry Shell - it's called progress.

Sorry - that is not progress. That is digressing back to Feudalism.

[kona0197]

Perhaps we need to start a new thread for this subject?

[Fiannan]

Obeying the law of the land is okay as long as it does not contradict God's word. Interesting story to illustrate this:

The Local - Christian movement's home schooling 'unacceptable'

[StrawberryFields]

I just came across this page with a web link to a video where the women speak.

Mothers tell their side of polygamy story - Field Notes - msnbc.com

[Moksha]

Can you cite anything in the Bible or the Koran or the Talmud that says it is not right?

Genesis 51:1 You old guys shouldn't force teen brides to marry you.

Genesis 51:2 Knock off the polygamy already.

[rosie321]

I think the main LDS Church would be the ideal group to do the non-polygamy deprogramming. They basically have the same beliefs, albeit brought up to speed with the 20th Century and more mainstream thought

While the LDS church might be the group most able to understand the culture of these people and respect them, the church would be wise to avoid any deprogramming efforts. Deprogramming is a bad prospect. First FLDS follow different ideas. They have gone their own way and so would most likely take offense at any efforts of "help" from the renegade LDS who do not operate under the proper guidance. Secondly, we would be robbing them of the opportunity to exercise free agency. Third, with the varying opinions and beliefs of the members expressed just on these boards, what plan of deprogramming would be used that would work? Fourth, it wasn't that long ago that members of the LDS church practiced polygamy. This is a point of grave concern to many outside the church. LDS efforts would not be appreciated. Joseph Smith as well as other leaders are seen as using shaping religion to fill their lusts. Women are viewed as slaves to the men. Emma's disdain towards the idea of polygamy feeds this notion. There are many outside believers who want to deprogram LDS members to this day because they believe members "cannot see" the truth and are "being led down satan's path." Many will ask what if this policy were to be restored in the LDS church now. 5th The members of this Texas group would most likely be ashamed of the way we have turned from polygamy and given into 'earthly' pressures rather than doing what is expected from an eternal perspective. Sixth, the "deprogrammers" will most likely face antagonism and will be seen as the enemy. That is something that the LDS church should stay away from. What good could come from it? The victims will not be helped if they are turned away from a source which in theory should help them the most.

[rosie321]

Genesis 51:1 You old guys shouldn't force teen brides to marry you.

Genesis 51:2 Knock off the polygamy already.

If all of Jacob/Israels difficulties in marrying and the disputes that ensued between his wives didn't end the future practice of polygamy then I'm not sure that anything can:).

[WillowTheWhisp]

I just came across this page with a web link to a video where the women speak.

Mothers tell their side of polygamy story - Field Notes - msnbc.com

It's interesting how many people who make comments seem to know exactly what goes on on that ranch without ever having been there or having met any of the people who live there. I feel so sorry for these children being kept apart from their mothers. This will traumatise them for a long time even if they have never suffered before.

[kona0197]

What's so traumatizing about learning that polygamy is wrong?

I will agree however that kids need their parents.

[WillowTheWhisp]

What's so traumatizing about learning that polygamy is wrong?

I am not referring to polygamy, which I personally cannot believe is wrong when it has at times been decreed by the Lord. I am referring to children being separated from their parents, being told that their mothers would come back to them and then the mothers being sent away and not being allowed to go back for their children, not even being able to see those children again to let them know what is happening. Children wondering why their mothers never came back for them. Nursing mothers with young babies not being allowed drinking water after 9pm. They need liquids. Have you watched the video? I cried. I do not agree with their way of life. It isn't something I would want for myself but what has been done by the state seems barbaric and NOT at all in the best interests of the children.

I know a child who was taken away from his parents 'for his own good' and placed with a loving foster family. All he understood of that was that his Mummy had given him away and assumed that his Mummy didn't love him. After a few years he was taken from the foster family and placed with 'a better family' because the powers that be felt that he wasn't developing properly. He retreated further into his shell because he was now convinced that it was his fault that he had been taken from his Mummy and then taken from his new Mummy. He interpreted it that he was not good enough and had failed them both. The 'better' foster parents reported that they could do nothing with him and he was returned to the first foster family but by now he is a shadow of what he was and doesn't trust anyone. He doesn't believe that his foster family love him and doesn't trust that they will never give him away again!

All this was supposedly done in the best interests of the child! These interfering Social Workers make me so angry when I see what they are doing to young lives and yet they cannot see there is any problem.

[kona0197]

Hey I think Polygamy is wrong. If one wife nags me all the time what makes anyone think I want more wifes to do more nagging?