What if we're all cult members?

[Bookmeister]

For Heaven's Sake!!! Why are we worried about what the French think???

[WANDERER]

When it comes up as a UN declaration, I guess it's time to get worried.

[Guest Leeanntheone1]

Hey what if we really are a cult?

I mean like the Jehovah’s witnesses we too are relatively a new religion. We both got our start with a prophet who says that he has had new revelation from God. And yet at times the new revelation doesn’t agree with the old revelation that is in the Bible. I mean did God change His mind about what truth is? What part of the original Bible does God no longer agree with? And since when was He a God who changes His mind. Consider this, we have many prophets in the Bible who all agree with each other and then one new prophet in the end days comes along and says God has given him a new revelation. Isn’t this cause for alarm for any of us?

Does it not say at the end of the Bible in the revelations that if any man adds or takes away from this book (The Bible) that God Himself will take away the offending person’s right to the tree of life and take away the person’s share in the Holy City.

Did not the Jehovah’s Witnesses add to the truth that is found written in the Bible? Did not our prophet Joseph Smith do the same?

By adding new truth are we not really taking away the old truth? And if we agree with the Jehovah’s Witnesses and their prophet’s new teachings are we not equally guilty of adding to the Bible?

If you add new truth to what is all ready written in the Bible you are condemned by God and if you take away any truth found written in the Bible you are condemned, Right? Go ahead and read the end of the book of Revelation and see if what I am reporting is true.

And how about this one. Many will be deceived in the last days, even the elect if possible.

Are we not called Lds? Our church was born in the last days was it not?

Or how about this one, for many false Christ’s shall arise, and false prophets and will do wonderful miracles so that if it were possible God’s chosen would be deceived. See I have warned you. Matthew 24:24-25

I just quoted our Lord Jesus warning us about false prophets doing wonderful miracles in the latter days.

Why did God wait 2000 years to reveal new truth to us that doesn’t agree with the truth that He already shared with us when He was on this earth? God’s new truth or man’s new truth or even worse, Satan’s new truth?????

Why did God wait for the end days to tell us all this new revelation that is not found anywhere in the original Bible? We do have the original Bible you know. Google the Dead Sea scrolls and just see what pops up. Much of the original Bible word for word.

Does it not say in the Bible that Satan can appear as an angle of light?

After much searching I believe we just may be a cult. Do you know how Joseph Smith died? After he killed two others in a gun battle he was then shot dead. Am I the only Lds woman who thinks for herself? I have shared my findings with some of my friends and they disagree strongly. When I ask why they disagree they give me emotionally charged answers that are dumb. They don’t even know what the church believes. My interpretation of someone who is involved in a cult is someone who believes in something so strongly but they don’t really know what their faith is really all about. They are brain washed. More than this, what they believe is not true and they have no discernment or not enough information about their faith or there not even willing to take a hard look to see if they may be wrong.

I admit before all of you that I have been wrong. I have taken a look at what our church believes and I believe we are a cult. Too many things just don’t add up. Our church is big but so is the deception. I already know how most of you will respond so save your breath. I challenge you to do what I did. I pretended that the lies that people were saying about us were really the truth and then go and read everything they have to say on the internet and then compared what they said to what our church believes. Some of what people said about us was just not true. Many of these web sites are run by former Mormon men and women who like me have had the vile lifted of their eyes. The truth speaks for its self.

I ask you; if you are involved in a cult wouldn’t you like to know about it?

One last question, how many deceived people do you suppose know that they are deceived?

Leeann

[Adeipho]

According to one, religion is the opium of the people.

[Guest Username-Removed]

Once upon a time I didn't belong to a cult ...... but I got better! J/K!!!

[Guest Xzain]

Hey what if we really are a cult?

My goodness, that would be horrible! I'm glad I don't exhibit cult-like behaviors, nor do any of my friends. Or anyone I know intimately, for that matter. I'm also glad the Church encourages people to actually think for themselves and not take at face-value whatever people say. I'm glad the Church says to get an answer from God Himself on what is right.

I'm glad God didn't leave us to be blown about by winds of false doctrine and confusion. I'm also glad all the curch leaders claim to be fallible, and to let the Holy Ghost, and not themselves, be the main guiding light in our life.

Cults thrive on information control and isolation- neither of which are found among the faithful, true LDS people.

Good thing we're not a cult! *phew*

[Moksha]

Cults thrive on information control and isolation- neither of which are found among the faithful, true LDS people.

Of course not. Now get back down in the trenches and pay no attention to those men with the purple masks.

[Guest Leeanntheone]

Please read this one more time.

Hey what if we really are a cult?

I mean like the Jehovah’s witnesses we too are relatively a new religion. We both got our start with a prophet who says that he has had new revelation from God. And yet at times the new revelation doesn’t agree with the old revelation that is in the Bible. I mean did God change His mind about what truth is? What part of the original Bible does God no longer agree with? And since when was He a God who changes His mind. Consider this, we have many prophets in the Bible who all agree with each other and then one new prophet in the end days comes along and says God has given him a new revelation. Isn’t this cause for alarm for any of us?

Does it not say at the end of the Bible in the revelations that if any man adds or takes away from this book (The Bible) that God Himself will take away the offending person’s right to the tree of life and take away the person’s share in the Holy City.

Did not the Jehovah’s Witnesses add to the truth that is found written in the Bible? Did not our prophet Joseph Smith do the same?

By adding new truth are we not really taking away the old truth? And if we agree with the Jehovah’s Witnesses and their prophet’s new teachings are we not equally guilty of adding to the Bible?

If you add new truth to what is all ready written in the Bible you are condemned by God and if you take away any truth found written in the Bible you are condemned, Right? Go ahead and read the end of the book of Revelation and see if what I am reporting is true.

And how about this one. Many will be deceived in the last days, even the elect if possible.

Are we not called Lds? Our church was born in the last days was it not?

Or how about this one, for many false Christ’s shall arise, and false prophets and will do wonderful miracles so that if it were possible God’s chosen would be deceived. See I have warned you. Matthew 24:24-25

I just quoted our Lord Jesus warning us about false prophets doing wonderful miracles in the latter days.

Why did God wait 2000 years to reveal new truth to us that doesn’t agree with the truth that He already shared with us when He was on this earth? God’s new truth or man’s new truth or even worse, Satan’s new truth?????

Why did God wait for the end days to tell us all this new revelation that is not found anywhere in the original Bible? We do have the original Bible you know. Google the Dead Sea scrolls and just see what pops up. Much of the original Bible word for word.

Does it not say in the Bible that Satan can appear as an angle of light?

After much searching I believe we just may be a cult. Do you know how Joseph Smith died? After he killed two others in a gun battle he was then shot dead. Am I the only Lds woman who thinks for herself? I have shared my findings with some of my friends and they disagree strongly. When I ask why they disagree they give me emotionally charged answers that are dumb. They don’t even know what the church believes. My interpretation of someone who is involved in a cult is someone who believes in something so strongly but they don’t really know what their faith is really all about. They are brain washed. More than this, what they believe is not true and they have no discernment or not enough information about their faith or there not even willing to take a hard look to see if they may be wrong.

I admit before all of you that I have been wrong. I have taken a look at what our church believes and I believe we are a cult. Too many things just don’t add up. Our church is big but so is the deception. I already know how most of you will respond so save your breath. I challenge you to do what I did. I pretended that the lies that people were saying about us were really the truth and then go and read everything they have to say on the internet and then compared what they said to what our church believes. Some of what people said about us was just not true. Many of these web sites are run by former Mormon men and women who like me have had the vile lifted of their eyes. The truth speaks for its self.

I ask you; if you are involved in a cult wouldn’t you like to know about it?

One last question, how many deceived people do you suppose know that they are deceived?

Leeann

[WANDERER]

I've read similar pages that debunk Christianity as a cult. I'd never really thought about how religious practices may be interpreted by others outside of that religion or those opposed.

But for reading things through systematically I find that sites that use the world cult as somewhat lacking in objectivity *funny that*.

[NeuroTypical]

Leeann, you've accepted some rather shoddy research as fact. You may wish to do a little more education before just accepting what you're reading.

We do have the original Bible you know. Google the Dead Sea scrolls and just see what pops up. Much of the original Bible word for word.

We do not have any original manuscripts for any of the books of the Bible. At best, we possibly have sixth or seventh generation copies, and most manuscripts are probably further away than that.

The earliest OT manuscripts we have are the Dead Sea Scrolls, which date between 200 B.C. and A.D. 70. That's 600 years after the original writings of the prophets. The Scrolls vary significantly in some areas with our Bible, particularly within the Isaiah portions. The Scrolls also contain many writings which the authors considered to be scripture, but which we do not have in our Bible. The earliest NT manuscripts we have date between A.D. 150 and A.D. 300. Thats 100-250 years after the originals.

Does it not say in the Bible that Satan can appear as an angel of light?

Yes it does. And can you think of someone else who can appear as an angel of light? How about angels?

Do you know how Joseph Smith died? After he killed two others in a gun battle he was then shot dead.

So, no he didn't. Leeann, you've really got to think about your sources before you just believe everything you hear. Joseph fired shots in self defence, as the mob attacked him and his friends. But no, Joseph didn't kill anyone. He might have wounded a couple of people, but they skipped town to avoid prosecution.

Really, honestly, truly - you're choosing to believe garbage. I suggest you find some better sources of information.

I have shared my findings with some of my friends and they disagree strongly. When I ask why they disagree they give me emotionally charged answers that are dumb.

Emotionally charged answers you say? You mean, like they tell you to grow up, and they say you're acting like a little school child? Huh. Imagine someone responding like that.

One last question, how many deceived people do you suppose know that they are deceived?

If you demand to believe that Joseph Smith killed people in a gun battle, I can't think of anyone.

LM

[Islander]

Leeanntheone1

We wish you good luck. You have, truly, nothing new to add to the plethora of arguments put forth by former members in 170 years. We have heard them before. I personally visited 40 plus congregations in 7 years. So, I think I had ample time to "browse" the "Christian" garden variety religions.

If God does not add to his word Genesis chapter one would be the Whole bible.

[HiJolly]

Please read this one more time.

Hey what if we really are a cult?

Leeann

Hmmm... Didn't get any better the second time, unfortunately...

According to the dictionary (and this was posted already on this thread) all religion is a cult. So there you go.

HiJolly

[prisonchaplain]

Leeanntheone1

We wish you good luck. You have, truly, nothing new to add to the plethora of arguments put forth by former members in 170 years. We have heard them before. I personally visited 40 plus congregations in 7 years. So, I think I had ample time to "browse" the "Christian" garden variety religions.

If God does not add to his word Genesis chapter one would be the Whole bible.

Uh...:::cough:::...actually it would be the book of Job--his was the first one written.