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I believe it was not time yet for you to accept it. It was the same for me. I needed the opportunity to see the world for what is worth and experience it for my own salvation and edification. Now, this doesn't mean before the foundation of the world, you didn't sit in the council along with the rest of the brethren stated in the Book of Abraham.

I will add the important verse before the one you quoted to give it more meaning behind it: God, the Father of us all, uses the men of the earth, especially good men, to accomplish his purposes. It has been true in the past, it is true today, it will be true in the future. "Perhaps the Lord needs such men on the outside of His Church to help it along," said the late Elder Orson F. Whitney of the Quorum of the Twelve. "They are among its auxiliaries, and can do more good for the cause where the Lord has placed them, than anywhere else. . . . Hence, some are drawn into the fold and receive a ¬testimony of the truth; while others remain unconverted . . . the beauties and glories of the gospel being veiled temporarily from their view, for a wise purpose. The Lord will open their eyes in His own due time. God is using more than one people for the accomplishment of His great and marvelous work. The ¬Latter-¬day Saints cannot do it all. It is too vast, too arduous for any one people. . . . We have no quarrel with the Gentiles. They are our partners in a certain Sense" (Conference Report, April 1928, p. 59). ("Civic Standards," 59) (Bolded section) That is the key...it has nothing to do with Moroni promise. It deals with honorable and righteous men of the earth to accomplish HIS work. Even Lucifer was used to bring about the eternal life of man. Now, if they haven’t heard the word or accept the gospel, only GOD or the Savior can know every explanatory circumstance of the children of the world lives and in the end of time will render fair judgment based on what was given to them in mortality. Speaking from a zealous member of the church, I must not become depressed or irritated if others, especially friends or loved ones, do not join the Church or do not always see things the way I do. As Andrew Skinner once stated, “There may be a wise purpose in it, and a higher power may be operating. Heavenly Father is in charge, and he will care for his children. He loved them long before I did.” My obligation and opportunity is to be like the Savior, be filled with tolerant and show kindness to all, thus showing gratitude for the talents and contributions of others in this earth. I do know, without them, we cannot even survive today – building our homes, powering them, building automobiles, giving us technology to the Lord’s will, and able to travel and speak instantaneously to the ends of the earth. Elder Whitney saw the same talents as I do today. Even this morning, while watching the Spoken Word, I looked at those who have not only the musical talents, but able to sing in unison with great talent. Again, all men(women) will be given the opportunity in this life or the next, to hear the gospel. The Savior stated: Thus came the voice of the Lord unto me, saying: All who have died without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God; Also all that shall die henceforth without a knowledge of it, who would have received it with all their hearts, shall be heirs of that kingdom; For I, the Lord, will judge all men according to their works, according to the desire of their hearts. (D&C 137:7–9)

Thanks for being candor...I am off to eat with the family right now.

Nor am I. Concerned though. Reading your post, if I am understanding this correctly using assumption here, you did not receive a confirmation if this is the Lord's church, His gospel, and His called prophet?

Talk about "King of the Hill" series, it seems to end with a positive note.

Hmm...then let me ask you this question: "would the Savior wear it?" Would President Monson wear it? Lizzy? Many great artist in the world though...

Mliff, there is one thing I don't do and learn from past experience- is never tempt the Lord.

Work PC related...having issues with the net this morning. Mike, interesting stuff. The thing I do understand concerning this divine instrument, it works by faith and only be used by the individual who is assigned too it. A good example, the Urim and Thummim, in the hands of one not qualified to use it, would have been a worthless instrument; as much so as the Liahona to Lehi and his colony without the exercise of faith.

Part of the D&C 87 - the war to remember in the near future that a few here may be firsthand witness of this sinful event, will be over 200-million strong. It will be known as the world's largest army ever to be assembled by the Anti-Christ and his confederations of League of Nations (10 confederations total will make up this league), from the north and from the far-east to make its last stand in the Israel as fore told. What will be left of this vast array army will be no more than 30-million souls (those who will repent and acknowledge their Savior). It will be a sad day for them in witnessing this event when the Lord comes and unleash His destroyers upon them in that valley.

Let me help with several brethren statements that may aid you in this verse quagmire: Joseph Smith Appearances of troubles among the nations became more visible this season than they had previously been since the Church began her journey out of the wilderness. The ravages of the cholera were frightful in almost all the large cities of the globe. The plague broke out in India, while the United States, amid all her pomp and greatness, was threatened with immediate dissolution. The people of South Carolina, in convention assembled (in November), passed ordinances, declaring their state a free and independent nation; and appointed Thursday, the 31st day of January, 1833, as a day of humiliation and prayer, to implore Almighty God to vouchsafe His blessings, and restore liberty and happiness within their borders. President [Andrew] Jackson issued his proclamation against this rebellion, called out a force sufficient to quell it, and implored the blessings of God to assist the nation to extricate itself from the horrors of the approaching and solemn crisis. On Christmas day, I received the following revelation and prophecy on war. [section 87, quoted.] (HC 1:301, December 25, 1832.) Orson Pratt Well, it seems as if the Lord, our God, is giving the nation a pretty thorough warning; He told this nation by revelation, twenty-eight years before it commenced, of the great American war. He told all about how the Southern States should be divided against the Northern States, and that in the course of the war many souls should be cut off. This has been fulfilled. I went forth before my beard was gray, before my hair began to turn white, when I was a youth of nineteen, now I am fifty-eight, and from that time on I published these tidings, among the inhabitants of the earth. I carried forth the written revelation, foretelling this great contest, some twenty-eight years before the war commenced. This prophecy has been printed and circulated extensively in this and other nations and languages. It pointed out the place where it should commence in South Carolina. That which I declared over the New England States, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and many other parts in the East, when but a boy, came to pass twenty-eight years after the revelation was given. When they were talking about a war commencing down here in Kansas, I told them that was not the place; I also told them that the revelation had designated South Carolina, "and," said I, "you have no need to think that the Kansas war is going to be the war that is to be so terribly destructive in its character and nature. No, it must commence at the place the Lord has designated by revelation." What did they have to say to me? They thought it was a Mormon humbug, and laughed me to scorn, and they looked upon that revelation as they do upon all others that God has given in these latter days—as without divine authority. But behold and lo! in process of time it came to pass, again establishing the divinity of this work, and giving another proof that God is in this work, and is performing that which He spoke by the mouths of the ancient prophets, as recorded in the Book of Mormon before any Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was in existence. [Ether 2:8-10.] (JD, April 10, 1870, 13:135.) Anthony W. Ivins Nearly thirty years before it occurred, Joseph Smith predicted the great civil war which should occur in our own country. Well, the unbeliever says, "Any far-seeing man might have known that the Southern states would be divided against the Northern states and there would be war." But the Prophet states more than that. He told us just where the war would begin. He told us just what the result would be, and has the sequel not proven that that war began just as this revelation said it would begin, in South Carolina? We might have some reason to doubt or to question the inspiration of this prophet of the Lord, if during that war the Southern states had not called upon Great Britain for assistance. There might be some reason to doubt if in a single detail there had been a mistake, but it chanced that the Southern states did call upon Great Britain, and we were very nearly at war with that nation because of her participation in behalf of the Confederacy in that struggle. (CR, October 1914, pp. 94-95.) Wilford Woodruff Many persons have looked forward to the year 1860 with great interest; and this has been the case with many of the Latter-day Saints. What took place in that year? The dissolution of the American Union; for in that year the South took a stand against the North, and the North against the South, in fulfillment of a certain revelation given by Joseph Smith thirty years before it took place. Joseph Smith predicted that there would be a great rebellion in the United States—the South and the North warring against each other, and that this rebellion would commence in South Carolina, and would end in the death and misery of many souls and that in process of time—after many days, the slaves would rise against their masters, and that one nation would call for aid upon another, for war would be poured upon the whole earth. I wrote this revelation twenty-five years before the rebellion took place; others also wrote it, and it was published to the world before there was any prospect of the fearful events it predicted coming to pass. Joseph Smith once said in a speech at Nauvoo, to a company, that whosoever lived to see the two sixes come together in '66 would see the American continent deluged in blood. That was many years before there was any prospect of a rebellion. The history of '60 and of '66 is before the world, and I do not wish to spend time in referring to it. (JD, January 1, 1871, 14:2.) Charles A. Callis Joseph Smith was an inspirer of souls. He said he did nothing but what the ancient prophets said he would do. He was a fulfiller of Bible prophecy. [isa. 29; Mal. 4:5; Micah 4:1-2; Acts 3:19-21; Rev. 14:6-7.] Consider some of the prophecies which he uttered: The exodus of the Saints to the Rocky Mountains, where they would become a great and a mighty people; his prediction of the Civil War, twenty-eight years before it occurred—and only a month before that bloody conflict, statesmen were saying—"'Peace, peace, there will be no war." But the God of heaven had spoken and desolation swept over the land. Oh, if those statesmen had only heeded the words, if they had only accepted the remedy, the solution which the great statesman-prophet, Joseph Smith, gave to them, a million lives would have been spared and eight billions of dollars in property would not have been destroyed! (CR, April 1934, p. 50.) Orson Pratt How is it that the American war has terminated without all or any of the nations being drawn into it? How is it that Great Britain has not been called by the Southern States to assist them against the Northern States? . . . Answer: First, there is nothing in the revelation, alluded to, which either indicates or declares that all nations, or even one foreign nation should be drawn into the American war. Second, the Southern States did, by their representatives sent to England expressly for the purpose, call most earnestly upon Great Britain to assist them against the North! but Great Britain did not yield to their entreaties [in "being drawn into" the war] . (MS, August 18, 1866, 28:51.) James E. Talmage And then war shall be poured out upon all nations A prominent instance of Latter-day prophecy, already fulfilled in part, is embodied in a revelation given through Joseph Smith, the Prophet on December 25, 1832. Consider this: [sec. 87:1-3, quoted,] This prediction was treated as but baseless conjecture on the part of the Prophet; yet in due time the outbreak began through the defection of the State of South Carolina; the Southern States were arrayed against the Northern States; the assistance of Great Britain was sought; and from the time of the great Civil War in America preparations for war among the nations of the earth went forward, until in August, 1914, the storm broke, marking the beginning of what is recognized as the greatest armed conflict in human history—the World War. This revelation was printed and published in 1851—a full decade before the outbreak of the Civil War; but it had been made of record twenty-eight years prior to that outbreak, and had been proclaimed by the missionaries of this Church throughout the interim. Now as to the opinions expressed by men of learning before the outbreak of the World War. In his widely-read book, War and Waste, issued as late as 1913, David Starr Jordan expressed a conclusion to which many leading thinkers had come, that any war of major proportions, involving the great nations, was impossible. Note this brief extract: "What shall we say of the Great War of Europe, ever threatening, ever impending, and which never comes? We shall say that it will never come. Humanly speaking, it is impossible.—The bankers will not find the money for such a fight, the industries of Europe will not maintain it, the statesmen cannot. So whatever the bluster or apparent provocation, it comes to the same thing in the end. There will be no general war until the masters direct the fighters to fight. The masters have much to gain, but vastly more to lose, and their signal will not be given." The eminent author spoke to the same effect from the pulpit of the Great Tabernacle in Salt Lake City in the early part of 1914. But the World War came, with all its horrors and frightfulness; and now, twelve years after its close, the nations are staggering under the terrible burden of its cost in terms of lives and material wealth. (Sunday Night Talks by Radio, 1931, pp. 480-81.) Only a few months before the outbreak of the terrible world conflict [World War I] . . . there stood here in this pulpit, where I now stand, one of the nation's great men, who set forth the results of his study and his investigations regarding certain problems; and who declared, as a result, that the conditions of the nations were today such as to make great international war impossible. There would possibly be, said he, little uprisings, such as then had already begun in Mexico, but a war between the great powers could not take place. He emphasized by reiteration. The financial affairs of the world, he averred, were such as to link and weld the nations together; and should emperors, czars, or kings declare war, the bankers would veto their decision. I spoke with the gentleman here in this stand, at the conclusion of his address, in substance to this effect: "I wish I could believe you, Doctor." "You don't?" "I do not." "What is wrong with my deductions?" "They may be logically drawn, but your premises are wrong. You have failed to take into account certain essential factors; you have discarded and ignored the predictions of the prophets; and on such a question as this I shall accept the word of the prophet rather than the conclusion of the academician, even though he be as distinguished as yourself, sir." I could not discuss the matter at length, but such I said. Within a short span of months after that time, several of the most powerful nations of the world were locked in the deathgrapple, which has been tightening with the passage of the years. So, as I read the words of the prophet that war should be poured out upon all nations, and that in this day and dispensation, in which we live, this the land of Zion should be the only land wherein safety might be found, I said to myself again: Yea, let God be true, though all the world's wise ones be liars. [Rom. 3:4.] (CR, October 1916, pp. 74-75.) John A. Widtsoe And then war shall be poured out upon all nations The prophecy [section 87] went on to say that "the days will come that war will be poured out upon all nations." World Wars I and II, three quarters of a century and more later were complete fulfillments of this part of the prophecy. This great and remarkable prophecy still stands as evidence of Joseph Smith's mighty prophetic power. (Joseph Smith, 1951, p. 279.)

The answer is no for Creatine. This is more or less, between the Savior and you to make the decision with the WoW. The point with Creatine to reach maximum effect is to take the largest dosage prior to workout and figure out what is your body toleration for this substance then back off. Disregard the claims on the back when they state to take xx grams. We tested this product out when it finally hit the US shores many years ago and know the potential of such. This also is a cyclic type substance that requires a couple of weeks break.

If you are referring to Powerlifting forums (clubs), no protein but yes for Creatine for one specific forum, where they do test when breaking a record. The rest of the clubs do not care. Let you know, Ribose was the replacement for Creatine. Creatine does have some negative affect with people when taken in large dosage.

July 23, 1837— Kirtland, Ohio. Joseph Smith received D&C 112, a revelation to Thomas B. Marsh about his duties as a member of the Quorum of the Twelve. (History of the Church, 2:499–501) Historical Setting: George A. Smith - Some time after the finishing of the Temple, the brethren under the direction of the Prophet had established a bank [Kirtland Safety Society] in Kirtland, the paper to be redeemed by specie, and secured by real estate. The directors of that bank were members of the Church, and they were determined to sustain the credit of that money. The question has some times been asked, how much has that bank failed for; it did not fail for a single dollar, and yet when it failed there was perhaps a hundred thousand dollars of the bank paper out in circulation. Warren Parrish was the teller of the bank, and a number of other men who apostatized were officers. They took out of its vault, unknown to the President or cashier, a hundred thousand dollars, and sent their agents around among the brethren to purchase their farms, wagons, cattle, horses and every thing they could get hold of. The brethren would gather up this money and put it into the bank, and those traitors would steal it and send it out to buy again, and they continued to do so until the plot was discovered and payment stopped. It was the cursed apostates—their stealing and robberies, and their infernal villainies that prevented that bank being conducted as the Prophet designed. If they had followed the counsel of Joseph, there is not a doubt but that it would have been the leading bank in Ohio, probably of the nation. It was founded upon safe principles, and would have been a safe and lasting institution. . . . a man that would stand up in the streets and say he was Joseph's friend, could not get a greater compliment than being called a lick skillet. Joseph had few friends; but among the leading Elders of the Church, in Kirtland the High Council, one of the members of the first Presidency, some of the seven Presidents of the seventies, and a great many others were so darkened that they went astray in every direction. They boasted of the talent at their command, and what they would do. Their plan was to take the doctrines of the Church, such as repentance, baptism for the remission of sins, throw aside the Book of Mormon, the Prophet and Priesthood, and go and unite the whole Christian world under these doctrines. Where are they to-day? Like a rope of sand that has vanished in the four winds of heaven. Many of them have already in dust and ashes lamented their fate, they have never been able to prosper in any business, or take a leading part in any capacity. [sec. 121:11-25.] This is the result of that apostasy; and yet it was so great that Joseph himself and his friends had to flee from Kirtland. (JD, November 15, 1864, 11:11) Joseph Smith, Jun. - At this time the spirit of speculation in lands and property of all kinds, which was so prevalent throughout the whole nation, was taking deep root in the Church. As the fruits of this spirit, evil-surmising, fault-finding, disunion, dissension, and apostasy followed in quick succession, and it seemed as though all the powers of earth and hell were combining their influence in an especial manner to overthrow the Church at once, and make a final end. Other banking institutions refused the "Kirtland Safety Society's" notes. The enemy abroad, and apostates in our midst, united in their schemes, flour and provisions were turned toward other markets, and many became disaffected toward me as though I were the sole cause of those very evils I was most strenuously striving against; and which were actually brought upon us by the brethren not giving heed to my counsel. No quorum in the Church was entirely exempt from the influence of those false spirits who are striving against me for the mastery; even some of the Twelve were so far lost to their high and responsible calling, as to begin to take sides, secretly, with the enemy. In this state of things, and but a few weeks before the Twelve were expecting to meet in full quorum, (some of them having been absent for some time), God revealed to me that something new must be done for the salvation of the Church. And on or about the first of June, 1837, Heber C. Kimball, one of the Twelve, was set apart by the spirit of prophecy and revelation, prayer and laying on of hands, of the First Presidency, to preside over a mission to England, to be the first foreign mission of the Church of Christ in the last days. [see Sec. 110:11.] (HC 2:487-89, May-June 1837.) The same day that the Gospel was first preached in England I received the following: [Section 112, quoted.] (HC 2:499, July 23, 1837; Kirtland, Ohio.) Background Narration: Joseph Fielding Smith In this revelation [Section 112] Elder [Thomas B.] Marsh [president of the quorum of the Twelve Apostles] was instructed to teach the brethren in his council and point out to them their duty and responsibilities in proclaiming the Gospel. Some of the apostles had forsaken their responsibility and had turned their attention to schemes of speculation. We have seen that the years preceding the year 1837, were years of wild speculation throughout the United States and Elder Heber C. Kimball pointed out how this boom had struck Kirtland and some of the brethren had borrowed great sums and had gone into business, at the expense of their ministry. Then when the bauble of false prosperity broke they were left financially stranded; then they began to blame the Prophet Joseph Smith. This revelation to Thomas Marsh was a warning and a call to him to bring his brethren back into the line of their duty as apostles of Jesus Christ. The Lord declared that even Elder Marsh had strayed somewhat, but had repented and therefore he was forgiven: [sec. 112:2-4, quoted.] He was called upon to raise his warning voice and when night should come he was not to let the inhabitants of the earth slumber without the warning. If he would be faithful, many high ones would be brought low, and by his word many low ones would be exalted: [sec. 112:19-20, quoted.] The Lord told him that he knew his heart, which verily was true, and that his prayers in behalf of his brethren had been heard. He was to show no partiality towards any of them, but his love for them was to be as the love for himself. There is no question that Thomas B. Marsh was not in that day a man of force and character. Had he remained true the Lord would have used him and his ability would have shown forth, for the Lord would have magnified him. (CHMR, 1949, 3:101-2.) Steven Harper Though he wrote the Lord's words as Joseph spoke them, Thomas Marsh heard Doctrine and Covenants 112 selectively. He took the revelation to Heber C. Kimball's wife, Vilate, and told her that Joseph had assured him that her husband would not be effective as a missionary until Thomas said so. Heber and his companions enjoyed great success meanwhile and wrote back across the Atlantic their version of what Joseph had said, that "it was all right to prepare the way for brother Marsh." Thomas Marsh was arrogant. He heard and self-servingly interpreted the passages of the revelation that reminded him of his high position, the greatness of his calling, his possession of powerful priesthood keys, and his impressive role in spreading the gospel to the nations. But he did not hear the revelation's command to be humble (v. 10), to "exalt not yourselves," or to "rebel not against my servant Joseph" (v. 15). Thomas returned to his home in Missouri, as commanded in verse , and continued under Joseph's direction to publish the Elders' Journal newspaper for the Church. But by the fall of 1838 he had begun to exalt himself and rebel against Joseph. He famously repudiated the decisions of Church councils to defend his wife in a dispute with another sister. Then he signed an affidavit charging Joseph Smith with treason, which led to the Prophet's incarceration. "That affidavit brought from the government of Missouri an exterminating order, which drove some 15,000 Saints from their homes and habitations." Thomas was excommunicated in March 1839 and remained estranged from the Church for nearly two decades. (Making Sense of the Doctrine and Covenants by Steven C. Harper) L.G. Otten At the time of this revelation (1837) the church was being attacked from sides as well as from some of the members within. The Lord inspired the Prophet Joseph Smith to send Elder Heber C. Kimball to England as a missionary. His efforts and the labors of subsequent missionaries would bring new life into the church, as many thousands of converts would join the church. One illustration of the prophetic calling of Joseph Smith and the inspired source of his information concerning the missionary efforts in England was described by Elder Harold B. Lee as follows: In one year, 1840 to 1841—one year and fourteen days, to be exact—nine members of the twelve were called to labor in the British Mission. If you remember the history here at home, those years marked the period of some of the severest persecution that the Church was to undergo in this dispensation. In that one year and fourteen days the nine members of the twelve, with their associates, established churches in every noted town and city in the kingdom of Great Britain. They baptized between 7000 and 8000 converts. They printed 5000 copies of the Book of Mormon, 3000 hymnbooks, and 50,000 tracts, and they published 2500 volumes of the Millennial Star and emigrated 1000 souls to America. (CR, April 1960, p. 108) While Elder Kimball was away on his first mission to England, the Lord spoke to his quorum president in Kirtland, Ohio. The counsel given by the Lord to President Thomas B. Marsh is contained in Section 112 of the Doctrine and Covenants. It can be conveniently arranged, for study purposes, into two categories, as recorded in the Overview of Section Content at the beginning of this chapter. (Sacred Truths of the Doctrine and Covenants, vol. 1 by L. G. Otten, C. M. Caldwell, P.259) Section Header Notes: Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, to Thomas B. Marsh, at Kirtland, Ohio, July 23, 1837. The word of the Lord unto Thomas B. Marsh, concerning the Twelve Apostles of the Lamb. The Prophet records that this revelation was received on the day on which the Gospel was first preached in England. Thomas B. Marsh was at this time president of the quorum of the Twelve Apostles.—The Twelve to send the gospel abroad among all nations—They are to act under the direction of the First Presidency—Others may be authorized by the Twelve for ministry among the nations—The keys of power in the Priesthood committed to the First Presidency and the Twelve—The present designated as the dispensation of the fulness of times. 1–10, The Twelve are to send the gospel and raise the warning voice to all nations and people; 11–15, They are to take up their cross, follow Jesus, and feed his sheep; 16–20, Those who receive the First Presidency receive the Lord; 21–29, Darkness covers the earth, and only those who believe and are baptized shall be saved; 30–34, The First Presidency and the Twelve hold the keys of the dispensation of the fulness of times. Versus amount: 34 Suggested link: D&C 107 & 108 Summary and Conclusion: This revelation contains information and counsel from the Lord that can be applied by every quorum president in the Lord's church. Heeding this instruction, each president will stand approved before the Lord and will be the means of helping quorum members obtain eternal blessings for themselves and members of their families. The specific instructions given to the President of the Quorum of the Twelve is being implemented in the church in this dispensation. The Quorum of the Twelve is directing the worldwide missionary efforts of the church under the direction of the Lord's First Presidency. (Sacred Truths of the Doctrine and Covenants, vol. 1 by L. G. Otten, C. M. Caldwell, p.261)

If his testimony is based on the Joseph Smith, it wouldn't matter if it was the Book of Mormon or the Pearl of Great Price. I was converted on the D&C and the PoGP and anything else, was added since my testimony and answer was about him as a prophet.

July 23, 1837— Kirtland, Ohio. Joseph Smith received D&C 112, a revelation to Thomas B. Marsh about his duties as a member of the Quorum of the Twelve. (History of the Church, 2:499–501) Historical Setting: George A. Smith - Some time after the finishing of the Temple, the brethren under the direction of the Prophet had established a bank [Kirtland Safety Society] in Kirtland, the paper to be redeemed by specie, and secured by real estate. The directors of that bank were members of the Church, and they were determined to sustain the credit of that money. The question has some times been asked, how much has that bank failed for; it did not fail for a single dollar, and yet when it failed there was perhaps a hundred thousand dollars of the bank paper out in circulation. Warren Parrish was the teller of the bank, and a number of other men who apostatized were officers. They took out of its vault, unknown to the President or cashier, a hundred thousand dollars, and sent their agents around among the brethren to purchase their farms, wagons, cattle, horses and every thing they could get hold of. The brethren would gather up this money and put it into the bank, and those traitors would steal it and send it out to buy again, and they continued to do so until the plot was discovered and payment stopped. It was the cursed apostates—their stealing and robberies, and their infernal villainies that prevented that bank being conducted as the Prophet designed. If they had followed the counsel of Joseph, there is not a doubt but that it would have been the leading bank in Ohio, probably of the nation. It was founded upon safe principles, and would have been a safe and lasting institution. . . . a man that would stand up in the streets and say he was Joseph's friend, could not get a greater compliment than being called a lick skillet. Joseph had few friends; but among the leading Elders of the Church, in Kirtland the High Council, one of the members of the first Presidency, some of the seven Presidents of the seventies, and a great many others were so darkened that they went astray in every direction. They boasted of the talent at their command, and what they would do. Their plan was to take the doctrines of the Church, such as repentance, baptism for the remission of sins, throw aside the Book of Mormon, the Prophet and Priesthood, and go and unite the whole Christian world under these doctrines. Where are they to-day? Like a rope of sand that has vanished in the four winds of heaven. Many of them have already in dust and ashes lamented their fate, they have never been able to prosper in any business, or take a leading part in any capacity. [sec. 121:11-25.] This is the result of that apostasy; and yet it was so great that Joseph himself and his friends had to flee from Kirtland. (JD, November 15, 1864, 11:11) Joseph Smith, Jun. - At this time the spirit of speculation in lands and property of all kinds, which was so prevalent throughout the whole nation, was taking deep root in the Church. As the fruits of this spirit, evil-surmising, fault-finding, disunion, dissension, and apostasy followed in quick succession, and it seemed as though all the powers of earth and hell were combining their influence in an especial manner to overthrow the Church at once, and make a final end. Other banking institutions refused the "Kirtland Safety Society's" notes. The enemy abroad, and apostates in our midst, united in their schemes, flour and provisions were turned toward other markets, and many became disaffected toward me as though I were the sole cause of those very evils I was most strenuously striving against; and which were actually brought upon us by the brethren not giving heed to my counsel. No quorum in the Church was entirely exempt from the influence of those false spirits who are striving against me for the mastery; even some of the Twelve were so far lost to their high and responsible calling, as to begin to take sides, secretly, with the enemy. In this state of things, and but a few weeks before the Twelve were expecting to meet in full quorum, (some of them having been absent for some time), God revealed to me that something new must be done for the salvation of the Church. And on or about the first of June, 1837, Heber C. Kimball, one of the Twelve, was set apart by the spirit of prophecy and revelation, prayer and laying on of hands, of the First Presidency, to preside over a mission to England, to be the first foreign mission of the Church of Christ in the last days. [see Sec. 110:11.] (HC 2:487-89, May-June 1837.) The same day that the Gospel was first preached in England I received the following: [Section 112, quoted.] (HC 2:499, July 23, 1837; Kirtland, Ohio.) Background Narration:Joseph Fielding Smith In this revelation [Section 112] Elder [Thomas B.] Marsh [president of the quorum of the Twelve Apostles] was instructed to teach the brethren in his council and point out to them their duty and responsibilities in proclaiming the Gospel. Some of the apostles had forsaken their responsibility and had turned their attention to schemes of speculation. We have seen that the years preceding the year 1837, were years of wild speculation throughout the United States and Elder Heber C. Kimball pointed out how this boom had struck Kirtland and some of the brethren had borrowed great sums and had gone into business, at the expense of their ministry. Then when the bauble of false prosperity broke they were left financially stranded; then they began to blame the Prophet Joseph Smith. This revelation to Thomas Marsh was a warning and a call to him to bring his brethren back into the line of their duty as apostles of Jesus Christ. The Lord declared that even Elder Marsh had strayed somewhat, but had repented and therefore he was forgiven: [sec. 112:2-4, quoted.] He was called upon to raise his warning voice and when night should come he was not to let the inhabitants of the earth slumber without the warning. If he would be faithful, many high ones would be brought low, and by his word many low ones would be exalted: [sec. 112:19-20, quoted.] The Lord told him that he knew his heart, which verily was true, and that his prayers in behalf of his brethren had been heard. He was to show no partiality towards any of them, but his love for them was to be as the love for himself. There is no question that Thomas B. Marsh was not in that day a man of force and character. Had he remained true the Lord would have used him and his ability would have shown forth, for the Lord would have magnified him. (CHMR, 1949, 3:101-2.) Steven Harper Though he wrote the Lord's words as Joseph spoke them, Thomas Marsh heard Doctrine and Covenants 112 selectively. He took the revelation to Heber C. Kimball's wife, Vilate, and told her that Joseph had assured him that her husband would not be effective as a missionary until Thomas said so. Heber and his companions enjoyed great success meanwhile and wrote back across the Atlantic their version of what Joseph had said, that "it was all right to prepare the way for brother Marsh." Thomas Marsh was arrogant. He heard and self-servingly interpreted the passages of the revelation that reminded him of his high position, the greatness of his calling, his possession of powerful priesthood keys, and his impressive role in spreading the gospel to the nations. But he did not hear the revelation's command to be humble (v. 10), to "exalt not yourselves," or to "rebel not against my servant Joseph" (v. 15). Thomas returned to his home in Missouri, as commanded in verse , and continued under Joseph's direction to publish the Elders' Journal newspaper for the Church. But by the fall of 1838 he had begun to exalt himself and rebel against Joseph. He famously repudiated the decisions of Church councils to defend his wife in a dispute with another sister. Then he signed an affidavit charging Joseph Smith with treason, which led to the Prophet's incarceration. "That affidavit brought from the government of Missouri an exterminating order, which drove some 15,000 Saints from their homes and habitations." Thomas was excommunicated in March 1839 and remained estranged from the Church for nearly two decades. (Making Sense of the Doctrine and Covenants by Steven C. Harper) L.G. Otten At the time of this revelation (1837) the church was being attacked from sides as well as from some of the members within. The Lord inspired the Prophet Joseph Smith to send Elder Heber C. Kimball to England as a missionary. His efforts and the labors of subsequent missionaries would bring new life into the church, as many thousands of converts would join the church. One illustration of the prophetic calling of Joseph Smith and the inspired source of his information concerning the missionary efforts in England was described by Elder Harold B. Lee as follows: In one year, 1840 to 1841—one year and fourteen days, to be exact—nine members of the twelve were called to labor in the British Mission. If you remember the history here at home, those years marked the period of some of the severest persecution that the Church was to undergo in this dispensation. In that one year and fourteen days the nine members of the twelve, with their associates, established churches in every noted town and city in the kingdom of Great Britain. They baptized between 7000 and 8000 converts. They printed 5000 copies of the Book of Mormon, 3000 hymnbooks, and 50,000 tracts, and they published 2500 volumes of the Millennial Star and emigrated 1000 souls to America. (CR, April 1960, p. 108) While Elder Kimball was away on his first mission to England, the Lord spoke to his quorum president in Kirtland, Ohio. The counsel given by the Lord to President Thomas B. Marsh is contained in Section 112 of the Doctrine and Covenants. It can be conveniently arranged, for study purposes, into two categories, as recorded in the Overview of Section Content at the beginning of this chapter. (Sacred Truths of the Doctrine and Covenants, vol. 1 by L. G. Otten, C. M. Caldwell, P.259) Section Header Notes: Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, to Thomas B. Marsh, at Kirtland, Ohio, July 23, 1837. The word of the Lord unto Thomas B. Marsh, concerning the Twelve Apostles of the Lamb. The Prophet records that this revelation was received on the day on which the Gospel was first preached in England. Thomas B. Marsh was at this time president of the quorum of the Twelve Apostles.—The Twelve to send the gospel abroad among all nations—They are to act under the direction of the First Presidency—Others may be authorized by the Twelve for ministry among the nations—The keys of power in the Priesthood committed to the First Presidency and the Twelve—The present designated as the dispensation of the fulness of times. 1–10, The Twelve are to send the gospel and raise the warning voice to all nations and people; 11–15, They are to take up their cross, follow Jesus, and feed his sheep; 16–20, Those who receive the First Presidency receive the Lord; 21–29, Darkness covers the earth, and only those who believe and are baptized shall be saved; 30–34, The First Presidency and the Twelve hold the keys of the dispensation of the fulness of times. Versus amount: 34 Suggested link: D&C 107 & 108 Summary and Conclusion: This revelation contains information and counsel from the Lord that can be applied by every quorum president in the Lord's church. Heeding this instruction, each president will stand approved before the Lord and will be the means of helping quorum members obtain eternal blessings for themselves and members of their families. The specific instructions given to the President of the Quorum of the Twelve is being implemented in the church in this dispensation. The Quorum of the Twelve is directing the worldwide missionary efforts of the church under the direction of the Lord's First Presidency. (Sacred Truths of the Doctrine and Covenants, vol. 1 by L. G. Otten, C. M. Caldwell, p.261)

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EXCERPT: Right after Joshua J. Perkey taught a class on how to write for the LDS Church magazines, a woman writer said to him, "My first rejection was from the Ensign." She is in good company. Every month about 400 people get that same feeling when their submission is rejected for publication in one of the official magazines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Perkey is a senior editor at the Ensign magazine, but as an after-work-hours writer of epic fantasy novels, he also knows a little bit about rejection. That might be one reason why he was so excited to tell a session at last April's LDStorymakers Writers Conference the secrets of getting published in the church magazines. Because he works at the Ensign, most of Perkey's examples apply directly to that publication. But the principles also work for submitting articles to the international Liahona magazine, the youth's New Era magazine and the children's Friend magazine. LINK: Writing for the Ensign | Mormon Times

EXCERPT: Smith also notes that a non-LDS Mesoamerican specialist, Dr. Michael Coe of Yale University, has suggested that the Olmecs of Veracruz, Mexico, were using magnetite compasses already in the second millennium B.C. "This is based," writes Smith, "on Coe's discovery during excavations at San Lorenzo-Tenochtitlan of a magnetite 'pointer' which appeared to have been 'machined,' and which Coe placed on a cork mat in a bowl of water in a successful test of its function as a true floater-compass." KINK: Michael R. Ash: What was the Liahona? | Mormon Times

By Seth Adam Smith Using today's "Net," the More Good Foundation provides the tools, training, and support for Latter-day Saints to share their beliefs on the Internet LINK to watch Video: Meridian Magazine :: You Tube: The More Good Foundation

Maybe it would be wiser to define what we believe glory is? Defined in the LDS theology, it states in D&C 93:36 - "The glory of God is intelligence, or, in other words, light and truth." What is LIGHT and TRUTH? D&C 93:29 - "Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be." In clear terms, now, what is the Glory of GOD?

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"What they're characterizing as a single massive star could in fact be a binary system too close to be resolved," said Mark Krumholz, an astronomer at the University of California, Santa Cruz." Distance is an issue right now...but believe me, when the veil is dropped at the core of own galaxy, it may pale this star in size and luminosity. If it so, we are looking at a centric core of newly formed galaxy. Eventually, I believe, a cloak or veil will be in place to cover such from those worlds which will be created and used for humanity. But I do want to thank you for posting this.