Lindy

Well I am happy to see that we miss understood what you meant. Sugar, I am sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying in your post, and I did enjoy our chat the other night... it was fun . If the issue came up at all, I would have told you how I felt about it.... to your face (so to speak), but it didn't come up, and why should I have brought it up? I told Tony K how I felt (to his face so to speak) If people ask me I will tell them.... I don't just bring things up to try to cause contention. ( OFF the board maybe) but that is my life You may not have been aware of what was happening in chat, of the things said and done. It was based on those things said and done that I based my decision on.... But that's MY decision.... everyone has free agency. Please dont' feel like you dnn't belong here... you do just the same as everyone else... and we are happy to have you here.

I'm sorry if you feel I"m a snake because of how I feel Sugar, and it's hard to read my mind and tell me what I am thinking. I just feel how I feel, we lost a lot of posters and chatters here for awhile, and that helped add fuel to the flame. And to me it had everything to do with loyalty. Please don't tell me it didn't. I can't do something I feel wrong about, I do enjoy reading your posts here, please don't think I don't.... I haven't tried to make anyone feel unwelcome.... and if I have I truely am sorry. I tell things the way I see it... if others think I'm wrong.. I'm ready to listen why. I have been wrong before ... and I'll probably be wrong again. I'm not superwoman and I do screw up, but somethings I just take to heart and take a stand on. This just happens to be one of them. If I see wrong I say something, I don't hide under a chair waiting for a chance to strike.... that's not how I operate. But I try to protect those I care about..... that may be my downfall any how, I'm sorry you see me as a snake..... not my intention at all.... I was just trying to be honest with how I feel. Oh, and the games are great over there..... I think that is the only place my name would be at ..... I went to check out the games a long time ago..... cause I'm still a little kid at heart .

OUCH..... that hit home

How many of us let life get us down? Sometimes I think that we take too much stock with what we want in life that we can never obtain. After talking with a friend about the disapointments and constant strife in life, I sat and thought about how much we give and give up to try to show love to another person. It may be a child, a spouse, or a friend who is struggling with something in life. And how much some are dealt more struggles than others... it may be adversity we get in life to deal with, or challanges put before us that need to be handled. I guess it depends on how we handle those things thrown at us in life, what our outlook will be. "But the struggles makes me stronger And the changes make me wise" 'No, life aint always beautiful...........But its a beautiful ride" I am only speaking for myself here..... but with all the chaos, contention, dissapointments and regrets I have had in life..... I can sit back and smile remembering the happiness, the love, the laughs and pure joy I have also found along the way. This is the first song that popped into my mind...... the "what have I done....what am I going to do....what have I given up?" frame of mind to the "what I really have" frame of mind. The blessings we are given as our "goals" in life are taken away... I am so thankful for the blessings I have been given in life..... -------------------------------------------------- There Goes My Life All he could think about was I'm too young for this. Got my whole life ahead. Heck* I'm just a kid myself. How'm I gonna raise one. All he could see were his dreams goin' up in smoke. So much for ditchin' this town and hangin' out on the coast. Oh well, those plans are long gone. [Chorus:] And he said, There goes my life. There goes my future, my everything. Might as well kiss it all good-bye. There goes my life....... A couple years of up all night and a few thousand diapers later. That mistake he thought he made covers up the refrigerator. Oh yeah..........he loves that little girl. Momma's waiting to tuck her in, As she fumbles up those stairs. She smiles back at him dragging that teddy bear. Sleep tight, blue eyes and bouncin' curls. [Chorus:] He smiles..... There goes my life. There goes my future, my everything. I love you, daddy good-night. There goes my life. She had that Honda loaded down. With Abercrombie clothes and 15 pairs of shoes and his American Express. He checked the oil and slammed the hood, said you're good to go. She hugged them both and headed off to the West Coast. [Chorus:] And he cried, There goes my life. There goes my future, my everything. I love you. Baby good-bye. There goes my life. There goes my life. Baby good-bye. Artist: Kenny Chesney

Best advice I can give you is to talk to Heather and plead your case.... The personal opinions of the posters aren't going to mean anything when it comes to a mod choice ( I don't think). That decision is based purely on the behavior and the personality of the person. All you can do is try churchmember..... good luck :)

Ok I have to add my two cents.... most likely will get me into trouble but that's my life...welcome to it. I was a bit confused at first until I noticed the dates (thanks to a friend who helped point that out when I said how confused I was about something).... Heather....correct me if I'm wrong..... but I think that you had given your blessing before the recruiting to take members from ldstalk to ldscity started full bore. THAT is the main reason I won't post over there.... it made me mad that others were shanghied (as it might be said) to spend time over on the other site. It was just wrong to me..... and I don't support and won't support it what I thought was underhanded. I'm sorry if it offends anyone... not my intention to offend..... it is just how I feel I pop over and read posts here and there.... I won't say I haven't But I haven't and won't post .... I do stand for what I believe in. I have been on this site for years...... not saying I haven't been to other sites as well.. so no one can try to discredit my sincerity.... but this is home. Heather has put a lot of time and effort and love into making things better for us here, and if nothing else I am loyal to those I support. Come hell or high water, joy or pain.... I am there for them.

Life Ain't Always Beautiful Life ain't always beautiful Sometimes it's just plain hard Life can knock you down, it can break your heart Life ain't always beautiful You think you're on your way And it's just a dead end road at the end of the day But the struggle makes you stronger And the changes make you wise And happiness has it's own way of takin' it sweet time [chorus] No,life aint always beautiful Tears will fall sometimes Life aint always beautiful But it's a beautiful ride Life aint always beautiful Some days I miss your smile I get tired of walkin' all these lonely miles And I wish for just one minute I could see your pretty face Guess I can dream, but life dont work that way But the struggles makes me stronger And the changes make me wise And happiness has it's own way of takin' its sweet time No, life aint always beautiful But I know I'll be fine Hey, life aint always beautiful But its a beautiful ride What a beautiful ride Artist: Gary Allan

I think I should apologize for the boys and their "blood bath" behavior Christos...... you didn't start anything but ask a question..... I ask you not to judge all American "adult" males by the behavior of some. I would like to add my two cents to your original post: 1) we DO believe in one God the Father Almighty 2) we DO believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, who was with God BEFORE the world was created. And for us... and for our salvation, Jesus came down from heaven, was born of a virgin and lived a good life; He taught of the plan of God, and made many miracles happen with His hands...... He loved us and attoned for our sins... He was crucified; He suffered, died and was buried, where on the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and He sitteth on the right hand of the Father in heaven. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end. 3) And we believe in the Holy Spirit Gee, look at the things we have in common..... sure we may look at things a bit different...but the important things are there. And yes Christos....we belive that we existed before we were born on earth... That we are all Sons (and Daughters) of God before earth. "I'm not sure but do you believe that we have physical bodies before birth or is that something that comes with an earthly life?" We believe we had spirit bodies before birth.....that we came to earth to gain a mortal body. I'm out of time my young friend.... hope that helped a little for you :) (edited for further thought)

L-J-D I agree with Jason that you should go see a counslor, a lot of things you are trying to deal with, and I think you need a sounding block who might be able to clue in on somethings that we as unprofessionals can't. I can imagine the anger you must feel about being pregnant and having such horrid comments made to you when you are in an emotional state being pregnant as it is. How inconsiderate and rude of some people who don't take things under consideration. I am sorry that others did that to you. I don't think that we think before we speak sometimes..... if we did feelings may be spared. You may be suffering from some post partum depression that has lingered and hasn't been addressed as of yet. I don't think you need to be angry at God, or the church for having so many children. That was a choice that you and your husband made, and shouldn't be blamed on outside factors. I should have left my husband for good years before our marriage ended... but I didn't.... and we had one more child (#4) inbetween. I have never, for one moment, ever thought it would have been better not to have that child. My children are my life, they are grown and make their own decisions, but are still a very big part of my life. No mattter the hardships or the tears...... they are so worth it. I like what SF said I really agree with that.... all we can do is do our best, with what we have and what we are given.Take the time to take care of yourself LJD.... you will be happier with yourself, with your family, your husband and your church. My two cents.

I just now read thru the rest of this thread, and this just jumped out at me Shanstress.... thank you so much for your loving heart..... and for sharing that sentence "I will always love you no matter what you do....: I tell those I love also.... I will love you no matter what.... it's unconditional..... it's hard to put conditions on love. I'll love you IF..... just dosn't work for me. and that little boy prayer to God.... "God, I'll always love you no matter what you do to me." .... That touched my heart so much today you'll never know... I think I'll repeat that to God myself.

Way to show him gurl! Always nice to show a little spunk before we get clobbered I think!!!

PC~ I quit a church in Portland BECAUSE of the money hungry, (must have) more money issue. I belonged to a church that gave a free Easter program every year to share the message of the death and ressurection of Christ with as many as could come to see it. We reached a lot of people who brought their families to see this program...it was a wonderus thing. We as a congragation had donations, bake sales, car washes, etc to raise money to cover the expense of the program... it was something we as a group looked forward to every year. THEN we get a new pastor who didn't think it was fair that the church gave something without receiving something in return (monetary wise). I assume that plenty of church board memebers disagreed with him on that (and let him know) because when he decided to charge each person to see the program, church members started leaving the congregation. I think 14 families, of long standing membership, took a stand and left; I don't know how many individuals walked out, I was one of them. It was wrong to demand money from anyone who wanted to come to a service about Easter even if it was in the form of a program. That really soured my look on how much "service to others" meant to the clergy. Of course I was just a teenager, but that really made me take a look at how important it was to share the message of Christ with others.....free of charge.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY BEGOOD2!!!! LOVE HAVING YOU AROUND THE BOARD! :) :birthdayballoon:

Welcome Home PC!!! Just a brief answer to your questions here.... Is there a single true and living God? ....... of course there is silly! We believe in the one and only Heavenly Father.... true, living AND loving. 1. Is God one? You have a scripture you use here....I need to find another one...I will when I have time (have to get ready for work) I believe God is one whole God :) Always have....even in going to different churches growing up.... I knew I was different cause the trinity thing confused me because I had problems believing it. 2. Is Jesus the only pathway, if our spiritual journeys are to take us to this one God? 1 John 14:6 Jesus saieth unto them, I am the way, the truth, and the life: No man cometh unto the Father, but by me...... no arguement there (simple and too the point) :) 3. Was Joseph Smith a prophet of God, whom God chose to deliver the restoration of Christianity in these latter days? I wouldn't be in this church if he wasnt. (scripture to follow at a later time) My score thus far.... Christian, LDS, with a little Judaism mixed in

you scored as Christianity. Your views are most similar to those of Christianity. Christianity 58% Buddhism 54% Islam 50% Judaism 38% Satanism 29% Hinduism 25% Paganism 21% atheism 13% agnosticism 8% Whooo hoooo 58% Christian !!!!! There's hope for me yet!!! lol I would rather switchy changy the Satanism and Hinduism though

LOL!!!!! Darn... too quick for me there Bones.... I was laughing too! Oh, and my guess? PURPLE! And my answer to the tree question..... Yes it makes a noise! But only for those who are able to hear it. ( I do like that comment on the vibration though..... makes you think a little more :) ) and NO OAF.... you are NOT stupid.... it'a just a very good thought provoking question.... a lot of right anwers I am sure.

Actually I like what you put about a form of patriotism and family pride about the North of Ireland. I in good conscience don't like calling it Northern Ireland. It IS a matter of patriotism... and few see it as such. And I wouldn't worry too much about your religion... it's not a matter of religion..but politics actually.

When your done... pass it to me..... lol I STILL can't figure out that math one I aced the runner questions ..... does that give me any brownie points?

Exactly what I thought of when I heard the song... "I love you this much" with arms outstretched and nail holes in His hands..... Kind of a fitting song around Easter time I think :)Here's another song that touches my heart.... I love songs with kids in it The Dollar daddy hugs his little man says son I've got to go and he pulls out of the drive and disappears as they walk back in the house the young boy asks his mama where does daddy go when he leaves here mama tells her little man your daddy's got a job and when he goes to work they pay him for his time well the young boy gets to thinking and he heads up to his bedroom and comes running back with a quarter and four dimes (chorus:) and says mama how much time will this buy me is it enough to take me fishing or throw a football in the street if I'm a little short then how much more does daddy need to spend some time with me the young boy tells his mama now I know daddy's busy cause most times when he gets home it's dark outside but tell him I've got me some pennies saved up from the tooth fairy and I keep 'em in my piggy bank and I believe there's thirty-five (chorus:) and mama how much time will that buy me is it enough to take me camping in a tent down by the creek if I'm a little short then how much more does daddy need to spend some time with me mama how much time will this buy me is it enough for just an afternoon a day or a whole week if I'm a little short then how much more does daddy need to spend some time with me mama takes her little man sets him on her lap and starts dialing up some numbers on the phone she says daddy come home early you don't have to chase that dollar cause your little man has got one here at home Artist : Jamey Johnson

Welcome on board TruthTeller69 !!! Love that last statement of yours.... "I love all Christians...I don't like them all...but I love them all" Isn't that the way it is supposed to be :) And I agree about the relationship with Christ.... most important aspect I think... sometimes we lose sight. Church is a help to keep us going, to give us inspiration, and to help us feel closer to the Lord. You've got the important thing down.... :)

ROFL that's great LT Don't forget the green jello as dessert for the Prime Minister later on this evening

Sorry PC... I guess I was just in a mood just couldn't pass up a little debate material . I should have listened to that little guy in the white on my right shoulder.... instead of that one in the red on my left...... LOL I have no problem with how different we are ..... different is what makes the world go round dontcha know? I appreciate you and your comments PC.... forgive me for jumping in here and there to create a stir...

My two cents added in red: How sad that some, can't accept others because of a little difference in thinking (what we know as the truth). Good thing we don't have purple skin, or strange hair color....or be from GASP another country with customs different from the norm.... that would condemn us too I guess. PC.... I'm glad you have the attitude and the understanding of where to draw some lines... acceptable vs unacceptable. Maybe those who were dismissed will actually think next time before speaking negatively about other religions.

One of my most favorite hymns in the world: Amazing Grace written by John Newton Amazing grace! (how sweet the sound) That sav'd a wretch like me! I once was lost, but now am found, Was blind, but now I see. 'Twas grace that taught my heart to fear, And grace my fears reliev'd; How precious did that grace appear, The hour I first believ'd! Thro' many dangers, toils and snares, I have already come; 'Tis grace has brought me safe thus far, And grace will lead me home. The Lord has promis'd good to me, His word my hope secures; He will my shield and portion be, As long as life endures. Yes, when this flesh and heart shall fail, And mortal life shall cease; I shall possess, within the veil, A life of joy and peace. The earth shall soon dissolve like snow, The sun forbear to shine; But God, who call'd me here below, Will be forever mine. These are the original verses to the hymn that has we have come to know as "Amazing Grace" as it was written by John Newton in 'Olney Hymns' first edition in 1779 and the 1808 edition. Over the years additional verses have been added to the original hymn.... by other writers, or possibly verses from other Newton hymns were added later..... below are some different verses added to the hymn. -------------------- Amazing Grace Amazing Grace! How sweet the sound That saved a wretch like me! I once was lost, but now am found Was blind, but now I see. 'Twas Grace that taught my heart to fear, And Grace my fears relieved. How precious did that Grace appear The hour I first believed. Through many dangers, toils, and snares I have already come. 'Tis Grace hath brought me safe thus far And Grace will lead me home. The Lord has promised good to me. His Word my hope secures. He will my shield and portion be As long as life endures. When we've been there ten thousand years Bright shining as the sun, We've no less days to sing God's praise Than when we'd first begun. -------------------- Amazing Grace Amazing grace! How sweet the sound That saved a wretch like me. I once was lost but now am found, Was blind but now I see. 'Twas grace that taught my heart to fear, And grace my fears relieved, How precious did that grace appear, The hour I first believed. Through many dangers, toils and snares I have already come. 'Tis grace hath brought me safe thus far, And grace will lead me home. The Lord has promised good to me, His Word my hope secures; He will my shield and portion be As long as life endures. Yea, when this heart and flesh shall fail, And mortal life shall cease, I shall possess within the vail, A life of joy and peace. The world shall soon dissolve like snow, The sun refuse to shine; But God, who called me here below, Shall be forever mine. When we've been there ten thousand years, Bright shining as the sun, We've no less days to sing God's praise Than when we'd first begun. As we now lay our garments down Upon our beds to rest, So Death ere long disrobes us all Of what we now possess. How sweet the name of Jesus sounds In a believer's ear It soothes his sorrows, heals his wounds And drives away his fear. Must Jesus bear the cross alone And all the world go free No, there's a cross for everyone And there's a cross for me. Shall I be carried to the skies On flow'ry beds of ease, While others fight to win the prize And sail through bloody seas? Amazing grace has set me free, To touch, to taste, to feel; The wonders of accepting love, Have made me whole and real.

I Love You This Much He can't remember The times that he thought Does my daddy love me? Probably not That didn't stop him From wishing that he did Didn't keep him from wanting Or worshipping him He guesses he saw him About once a year He could still feel the way he felt Standing in tears Stretching his arms out As far as they'd go Whispering daddy I want you to know [Chorus:] I love you this much And i'm waiting on you To make up your mind Do you love me too? How ever long it takes I'm never giving up no matter what I love you this much He grew to hate him for what he had done 'cause what kind of father Could do that to his son? He said 'damn you daddy' The day that he died The man didn't blink But the little boy cried [Chorus:] I love you this much And i'm waiting on you To make up your mind Do you love me too? How ever long it takes I'm never giving up no matter what I love you this much Half way through the service While the choir sang a hymn He looked up above the preacher And he sat and stared at Him He said 'forgive me father' When he realized That he hadn't been unloved Or alone all his life His arms were stretched out As far as they'd go Nailed to the cross For the whole world to know [Chorus:] I love you this much And i'm waiting on you To make up your mind Do you love me too? How ever long it takes I'm never giving up no matter what I love you this much Artist: Jimmy Wayne ------------------ I love this song.... got goosebumps when I first heard it.... just think of those last lines....."How ever long it takes...I'm never giving up no matter what...I love you this much" It's nice to know that we are loved that much.... a love that will never give up. :)