Lindy

uhhhh Ray... that tends to just get us into trouble.... NOT that I'm talking from experience mind you..... Hello all, my name is Lindy... and I am a groupie..... any help would be appreciated :) Heh, yes, but the Golden Rule, or doing unto others as you would have them do unto you, would also get you in trouble if you followed that at the wrong time. :) ROFL You read my journal?

uhhhh Ray... that tends to just get us into trouble.... NOT that I'm talking from experience mind you..... Hello all, my name is Lindy... and I am a groupie..... any help would be appreciated :) We DO get something out of the message boards... weither it be comfort, peace, entertainment or knowledge..... we know what we need the most at different times in our lives. And I love you guys

I was drawn to this thread by some unknown force tonite :) and just wanted to say how I much I do appreciate the mods who watch out for us around here. Just this morning I had a conversation in chat go beserk..... but SoulSearcher was there to mind house, and lds or not...the man took charge and booted the bad mouth out. I can take a lot of things..... and I did I let the guy vent on what he thought about what I believed in..... but when he called me a satanist from a cult that was going to hell without any mercy from God..... I think SoulSearcher had enough at that point and hit the bye bye button. well, he was warned and chose to keep on going..... too bad soo sad. It's amazing how steadfast we are in what we believe in ..... and what others think of us for our stubborness. I'm past the point of caring what others think.... my faith is between me and God, and those who care about me. Thanks for stepping in SoulSearcher.... although it was fun to watch him go from happy and calm to irate and frustrated cause I wouldn't bend....... lol oh well, it's the little things in life that make me happy :)

Shan~ I'm always glad to read your posts :) your opinion is just as important as mine is to me.... I agree that woman do deserve to be happy too... and sometimes meeting the hubby at the door with a glass of whatever and a "how was your day" like they used to.... just doesn't cut it now. Many women were miserable back then cause no one took them seriously... society told them what they "should" be. At least now we have the choice of what we "would like to be". Well lucky... I guess that is one of the big reasons we have a prophet... TO GUIDE us.... not dictate us. I have never been told I COULDN"T watch an R-rated movie... never been told if I COULD work or not... never been told if I COULD use birth control or not.... EVER! It has always been my private choice of what I do or dont' do. Bob had a great comment with Because they care that is a very good word. It actually means something to me.....Winnie... Supa K.. great additional comments!

gurl, I'm sorry your in a spot your not comfortable in.... I'm sure we all have someone in our lives who is a thorn in our side that we have a hard time with. We just have to learn to deal with it the best we can, if she's a friend.... she's a friend.... and there has to be a reason you call her friend. I agree... be honest with her... if she respects you at all as a friend...she'll tone it down when your around. Honesty never hurt anything gurl.... well unless it's the guy who answers the question..."does this make me look fat?"....LOL I have friends who say they are sorry if they use certain words around me.... ones not in my every day vocab.... that's why they are my friends.... :) If I get really angry and belt something out I shouldn't have and it bothers someone.... yeah I'm going to apologize and try not to do it again. NO one is perfect... we all have things we need to work on... maybe being around you once in a while might give her that wee little chance of changing her ways. Just remember you called her a friend.... ask yourself why? than go from there. Friends help each other when needed... if she's your friend...than she'll think about it... if not... maybe she'll still think about it and come around later. good luck with that one kiddo :)

my wife and i have been struggling with the thought of a 3rd child. we have been married 3 1/2 yrs. our daughter Lydia is almosr 3 and our son Scott is 4 months old. I am content with 2. My wife tells me Daisy keeps visiting her every time we lean toward the idea of stopping and me getting fixed. Both of her childbirths were extremely difficult, but resulted in2 wonderful children. I am alsoa SAHD at this time. no income no health insuranceShe is having trouble looking at her and telling her we dont want her. I'm not sure about it, but I trust my wife's judgement. Well paint me blue and color me confused...... who is Daisy? I must have missed something somewhere

ROFL..... Shhhhhh now every father will be pinching the babies.....

OH AMEN SISTER! There are so many of our own people who need help.... overlooked because of quotas that need to be filled it's sad really if you think about it. I"ll stand beside you with my cold heart in hand :)

Winnie you had some great things to say in defense of womankind :) Luckysleven.... your right... it is increasingly difficult to raise a family on one salary alone amist the rising cost of living with no cost of living increases. From every ward I have been too, everything I have heard the church DOES encourage the mother to be there for the children at home... IF POSSIBLE... if life circumstances will allow it. I guess it really is the choice of the husband and wife what is important to them, for those who struggle to make ends meet from paycheck to paycheck... it's up to them if they want to cut down to the bare bones of living to have an at home mom at all times. And in my eyes, if it is something agreed upon, it is something they will learn to deal with and acheive thru sacrifice. I agree that mothers need to be home for their children as much as possible.... for those in a traditional family (both parents) woman have a choice to add to the family income without sacrificing that precious time just being a presence in the home for the children. It takes thought and will power but it can be done. Some mothers just take part time jobs....working minimum hours a week to spend maximum time at home with the children. Those who do work fulltime..... usually have to. And I'm sure that they understand the sacrifice of time given up for the children for them to have to work.... and it doesn't make them feel good about it, but they can give as much quality time at home as they can. In this day and age of escalating costs of EVERYTHING.... it is nearly impossible for some families to make it without that second income. I'm sure that LDS mothers are doing their best to help out the family income without sacrificing their childrens best interest. (non LDS mothers too....but this was a thread about LDS mothers in the work force I think). What about those called for church duties that take the mother (or father) out of the home for meetings and such? Is that part of satans subtle plan to get us to break God's laws? That can be very taxing on a marriage with all time spent away from home with varies callings...but I am sure that families don't see that as a temptation of doing something wrong. Most see it as service, and part of their responsibility as members of the church.... and they learn to deal with the extra time away from home. It IS a sacrifice.... but it is a duty...and they just make it work. A married couple just needs to communicate and work together to acheive what they believe in, what they want to achieve...and goals they want to reach together. My honest opinion, Lindy

Trav~I'm sorry I went off on a tangent... it's just a sore subject around my parts. I do understand what you meant about immigration pertaining to people other than than those who work the fields/orchards. I would be all for adapting some reform to accept more professional/skilled immigrants into our country. All it can do is increase our professional labor forces. It stinks that nothing more is done to help those who can contribute to our country with their knowledge and expertise. I know the problem exists.I have a friend from Africa who's husband is a scientist... degree upon degree... he worked for a govenment installation here in Washington.... and life was good. Two of their three children were born in the United States... and than his visa was getting ready to expire... and for a year and a half he tried to get it renewed. So much red tape to go thru and the government contractor he was working for couldn't even get the thing renewed for him! He ended up going to Alabama and a lawyer got the visa problem worked out. But you know....after all the grief... he had enough of the treatment of a low class citizen and moved his family back to Africa where they welcomed him with open arms. I knew then there was a big problem... and this was almost 8 years ago! It's a problem that won't be addressed by congress cause they don't see it as a problem YET. It is a complex problem.... maybe too complex for political minds to grasp.

Welcome to ldstalk "lucky' You do make some good points.... my grand / great grandparents were immigrants.... and I'm glad they got here.... Life was tough for them also, but they worked hard and became part of the country and contributed to it, becoming part of the solution...not part of the problem. And you won't hear "legal" immigration discussed much because it doesn't affect the politicans in the east... or if it does they sure don't want to talk about coming up with solutions that would benenfit everyone involved. They will capitalize on the tax evasion, welfare use, crime and drug problems to create a stir in the public eye...but they aren't smart enough to try to delve down deeper to see what the underlying problem really is. Or if they are smart enough....they don't show it or they just don't care. I am all into learning about history... it's something I really enjoy.... you said that the 20th century groups were treated much as the hispanics ( I'm not into the ethnic slurs) are treated today? There MAY be a reason..... lack of respect shown to this country. That is what I am so upset about and it has nothing to do with flying mexican flags at some demonstration..... heck I'd be holding the flag for the Irish if I could...cause that's part of who I am inside. It's important to be proud of your heritage...that's what America is all about... people of all nations coming together as one. I have no problem with the different ethnic groups living together and speaking their language, upholding their customs (as long as it's legal in our country) and living as Americans in America. But part of living as Americans should include the respect to learn the language of the country, to ATTEMPT to learn enough to get by in society. THAT is the #1 issue I have with the illegals. The drug problem is #2 #3 is the amount of welfare used to those who don't make an effort. Laminites or non lamanites.... I think respect is due. I'm all for people trying to make a difference in thier lives... I would want to escape a living hell if I was in that same situation. But there is a fine line between wanting to escape and wanting an easy ride. It is sad that no one has thought of something like that before... to help them create a country worth living in. I think because it's so close to home...that giving guns and ammo to help them is going to be seen as insane..... casue we have done that before else where....and had those same guns used against us.As for the vermin immigrants in Europe.... like I said before...."A lot goes on in different areas that people don't realize. I'm just tired of the lack of respect shown to the country who houses them and feeds them"I think that applies everywhere not just in the USA. It's the lack of respect I tell you... pure and simple. well, that's my opinion

Perhaps this is worthy of another thread, but this factor does not bother me as it does most. Why? A good many immigrants come here to better the lives of their children. They are often middle age, and must take up jobs that require 60+ hours per week. They, quite frankly, do not have the luxury of time or money, that would allow them to learn English at the level we want them to (no accent, no obvious grammar errors). What does happen is that their offspring will be fluently bilingual PC... I work retail... I deal with a lot of hispanics who come into the store...and I stand by what I say.... Many REFUSE to learn the language... even the simple words to get by on..... I just think it is rude ...If I was an immigrant to another country... by golly I would respect that country enough to sit down and learn some basic words to try to help myself and others to communicate. Middle age is not an excuse for ignorance or lack of concern. I have never had a problem with accents... or obvious grammer errors.... at least it's a show of respect that they try. And of course their offspring will be fluently bilingual... we pay for them to learn in our schools! The Russions- the Bosnians who come over at least have the ##### to learn, they put forth an effort in my area to make a difference. The hispanics ARE very hard working people (those who work) .... no doubts about that... I know they send a lot of money home to family to live on. Here they live 3 or 4 families to a home sometimes..... than take the money that their children make working the fields and add it to their earnings. A lot goes on in different areas that people don't realize. I'm just tired of the lack of respect shown to the country who houses them and feeds them.

PC I see the unique and other perspective of looking at them all as "refugees", I understand people wanting to flee from corruption and horrid living conditions. I understand that their education system is horrendous and that menial labor is about all most can do with no education. I really do respect those who come to work and contribute to our society.I know that many do try to go the legal route....they try to gain legality ...they try to do what is right.... but the United States only grants so many thousand visas or what ever it is to make it legal every year. Most are taken up by professionals... those with an education, the remaining visas are just not enough to go around to the extra thousands that come in. I do get angry, angry at the system that doesn't care about people...angry at those who come to our country and refuse to learn the language, or to abide by the laws and rules of society. I shouldn't type when I'm in an angry mood.... doesn't do anyone any good.

Ok, my two cents.... I will not dispute the fact that Mexico has it's problems, but I think that the immigrants (yes, I think of them as immigrants) DO bring to the US problems that need to be addressed. I am not saying that ALL bring up problems...it's just those problems that do exist that are being brought to the attention of the public. The drugs, the welfare, the no license/ no insurance drivers on our roads, the crime rate. These are things that we all pay for with increased taxes and no cost of living increases in our paychecks.... the money has to come from the tax payers to cover and compensate. I would be in the line to help get a bill signed to help out the immagrants who are working in this country...those who are trying to be good citizens, who pay taxes and contribute to our society. And I think that something really needs to be done to help those who are here to work...to better themselves and their families. So many jobs are filled by illegals who are willing to work for very little pay. Jobs that others don't want to do. Yet these jobs are vital for our economy. It is sad that they ( the illegals) get exploited and treated like garbage... it shouldn't happen. But our govenment doesn't care about something that doesn't effect them personally. Look at the meth problem we had and have had here in the west..... they turned their backs on it casue it wasn't a problem on their side of the nation. Once it got out of control and hit the streets in the east.... THAN it was a problem. Those who veto the immigration bills don't have to deal with any of the problems...they sit back in their cushie chairs and don't have to worry about Joe Blow down the street, cause it doesn't effect them YET. I do sympathize with any refugee who flees to our country to save their life or the lives of loved ones. I just see a big difference between a refugee and an illeagal who want's a free ride...or who want's to work the system to get all the benefits they can. Because they can.

thanks pip.....I hadn't heard that one..... and THAT was GREAT!!!! a must keep for my joke file :)

Sorry I missed the big B. DAY gurl But I hope it was as happy as can be!!!!!! HAPPY LATE BIRTHDAY GURL!!!!!

I am glad it wasn't worse..... glad you are all ok

That is what is so great about the power of the priesthood..... even the little things that we don't think about can be helped with just a blessing.

Unclean spirits are those spirits that were cast out of Father's presents for rebellion. They are the spirits that intend to influence mankind to turn from that which is sacred and of the Father. Since man is fallen and also removed from the Father's presents - man is most vulnerable to such spirits. I would summarize that a righteous spirit must be sought for; but unclean spirits seek us out at ever opportunity. The Traveler Traveler~ I encountered what you call an "unclean spirit" it was the worst thing I had ever felt in my life come over me.... LDSENGINEER~ Welcome to Ldstalk! I do agree with you I think that we are all given a momentary grasp by satan in our lives.... some more than others. It really does depend on if and how we use our might to ask God for help.. .... and that 6 words in your quote....."in keeping with His ultimate plan". And in keeping that in mind....we have to accept somethings as to God's plan... not our own. I mention this thinking about the missionaries who are killed while on their mission for their Heavenly Father. Righteous (I hope) and a cause for the Lord...... we would think that they (as missionaries) would be watched over and kept safe... but it is "in keeping" to a plan we may not have control over.

Good point to bring up begood, I guess I always knew that babies were innocent at birth..... and never thought that others believed they were actually born with sin. See I was a walking talking mormon before I even joined the church .... just didn't know it :) Ditto with the fall of Adam and Eve... it just made sense to me. A walking talking mormon before conversion I tell you

Can you talk a little about the questions that could only be answered in the LDS faith? Thank you, Dr. T I will do the best I can Dr. T.... All my life I wondered about God-Jesus-Holy Ghost being ONE enity.... it just didn't make sense to me, but I just didn't worry a whole lot about it. Than as a teen I started asking my clergy how God could walk without legs, or speak without a mouth, or have Christ sit on the right hand side of Him if he didn't have a right hand. I was looked upon like a foolish youth, my questions were never answered to satisfy my wonderings. Best answers given to me were something along the lines of ..."I really don't know... I guess that's not our place to know right now.....it's really not important .... it's just a figure of speech" Well, it was important to ME! And when the missionaries told me about God having a body..... A BODY!... seperate from Christ or the Holy Ghost..... it just all made sense to me at that moment... it was like a light went on in my head, my heart and my soul. The other thing I questioned was why bad people would go to the same heaven as the good people just because they "found Christ" and believed in Him. In several churchs I attended I was told that if you just have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and believe in HIm..... you would not parish but have everlasting life. Hey, that was great...that's what I wanted for my life... but why was I being told to be good, to keep the commandments, and be an good example if I could be bad, do what I want and live how I want if I was going to heaven anyway? Same heaven for everyone was what I was told. Life would be glorious I was told.... than I thought about sharing heaven with people like Charles Manson who "are saved" because of thier faith in Christ. I DIDN"T want to share my eternal life with someone like that. It scared me. When I asked around about how justice was to be served on those who believed in Christ, yet didn't live a good life.... and why should I want to live my life in fear of having to share eternal life with terrible people? .....Again no answers to appease my troubled mind. I wasn't that bad of a youth. I wasn't an angel.... but it didn't matter because I was saved by the grace of Jesus Christ... and I was going to heaven anyway. RIGHT? RIGHT? that was what I was told all my life I just needed to live a good life just because it was the right thing to do. I still didn't understand why we needed to be judged for our works in life if it didn't matter if we but believed. Why have a judgement day? It should just be called Pass - No Pass Day. You believed or you didn't. Again, the missionaries told me about the 3 kingdoms (levels) of heaven...and BAM it all made sense AGAIN! We will be sent to a level comparable to the life we lived on earth..... NOT all thrown in together in one heaven.....Judgement Day all of a sudden made sense to me, and it was all so clear when for so many years I lived in fog trying to find a way out. Those were two of the most important questions I had that were answered by the LDS faith. Pre-mortal existance, the visit of Christ to the "other sheep", a prophet again on earth to help guide the Lords people..... those were other things I had found comfort in that answered questions I had. That's why the story of Joseph Smith was'nt so far fetched to me.... I had those questions in my mind I couldn't get answered either.... no matter who you asked, or how hard you tried...you couldn't find the answers. I am so thankful that I found this church, this faith, the faith I had been searching for, for so long.... it was like coming home...... my soul found peace and I could rest from my weary travels to find the answers I needed in life. If I can be of any more help Dr.T just let me know. Smiles, Lindy

Oh Lisajo.... you are so silly :)

Oh my heck.... lab report...cat scan..... ROFL

Begood2~ I am sorry that you feel bad.....please don't think you started anything horrible...cause you didn't. My opinion is just that.. my opinion. Just wanted to apologize for making you feel bad.... not my intention at all. Sometimes innocent people get hurt in the midst of ummmmmm .... differences of opinions..... clashes..... life? You have a heart of gold begood, and I felt so bad that I wanted to say I'm sorry ....again

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