thats a good reference...hemidakota...thanks......but it seems to me that with all the sightings from around the world.....many of which are made by pilots, both military and commercial....and the fact that many sightings ARE in very rural areas, and that no actual direct contact (landing in a stadium filled with people or the white house lawn, for instance) has been made with, or by, them, that they (who or whatever they are) are not ministering to us. personally, i believe that it is VERY improbable that EVERY sighting is some kind of hoax. i do believe in them...UFO's....do i have a clue about who, what,why or how?....absolutely not......as for those phoenix lights?.....i was living in tuscon at the time and the report was all over the news for some days....one theory even consisdered them (the lights) as a secret military experiment in holography...who knows.....and to those that scoff at the idea of UFO's....well.....people once scoffed at the notion that the world was round.....and that Jesus was who He said he was......personally, i believe that there is too much evidence that they exist....not only in the sky's but in the ocean as well.....yes...in the ocean.....there was an incident in nova scotia maybe 30 years back that baffled the canadian navy....and yes...with eye witnesses....as well as others......including some sightings off catalina island in california.....i think it is too bad that people who have done NO real research into these sightings are so quick to say that they are just so much crap.