Vort

It occurs to me that "Seezoram" might be another form of Zeezrom = Se + Esrom, not Se + Zoram. Then again, perhaps Zoram and Esrom are the same name, so the distinction is irrelevant. In which case I really did list five examples. Yeah, that's it.

Okay, here are the five I came up with off the top of my head: Seantum: Se + Antum Seezoram/Cezoram: Se + Zoram Zeezrom: Se + Esrom Zenephi: Se + Nephi Zenos: Se + Enos Zenock: Se + Enoch And let this be a further lesson to you: Vort can't count.

Well, I was thinking the same name, not necessarily the same man.

Yes! Although I suspect that's the same name as Seezoram, so I'm not counting it as one of the five I can think of off the top of my head. You can count it as one of the five, though. :)

Hint 2: They don't necessarily start with "Se-".

I'm a day late and a dollar short on my responses today. Yes, that's two. Any others?

Hint: His brother's name is another.

Can you give five names known among the Nephites that consist of the phonetic prefix "se" (or an equivalent derivative) attached to an otherwise recognizable name? EDIT: Deleted my answer to Pam's question -- Wingnut beat me to it.

Yes, this was something of, not really a trick question, but an ambiguous question. Your answer of Alma 49:4 is probably the best, which I did not even become aware of until last night AFTER I had posted this question. (Thanks, Jeff Lindsay!) I was originally thinking of Jarom 8, which talks about "the dart, and the javelin". Neither of those sounds exactly like an atlatl, but either could possibly be referring to it. But I like Alma 49:4 better. Much more convincing. The odd thing is that the Lamanites, having once had the more advanced bow-and-arrow technology, should revert instead to the more primitive, less accurate atlatl. Why would they do this? My opinion: The preexisting natives in the area, whom the Nephites quickly took to calling "Lamanites", did not have bow-and-arrow technology, and like people everywhere, were resistant to change. Just because one person or a group of people had bows and arrows, they were not obviously enough superior to the traditional thrown weapons to cause the natives to abandon their centuries-old technologies with which they were already highly skilled. That is, bows and arrows weren't the fad, so for the time being, they stayed with what they knew.

I really need to learn: to follow the promptings of the Spirit when it tells me to do something, and also when it tells me to shut upnot to post after about 10:00 pm or when stressed (or especially both)when I can't say something nice to someone, don't say anythingMy apologies to all who read what I had originally posted in this spot, and especially to Snow. You are indeed my brother. And I cannot possibly make any reasonable judgment about your fitness as a person based on the doings of an internet chat list. Forgive me my rash words if you read them. My comments about "murder" stand: You are mistaken from a purely definitional standpoint. Following the direct commandment of God cannot be considered "cruel" or "brutal" or "lacking compassion" or any of the other definitions of "inhuman" given by your preferred dictionary. But as you surely will not accept this line of reasoning, you are welcome to any final statements on the matter. I won't respond, but not because you are unworthy of response; rather, in my personal self-improvement program outlined above, I am endeavoring to follow #3.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Of course, this is a densely packed synopsis of the gospel. A complete unpacking and explanation would fill volumes, perhaps the whole earth.

Snow, as a general rule I ignore you, but I must admit I am surprised that you claim I am in disagreement with the Church of Jesus Christ, citing as your proof an Ensign article, yet you claim that Nephi murdered Laban, in clear defiance of the teachings of the Book of Mormon. I see a major disconnect there. But I am sure you see no conflict, and I'm not very interested in engaging you in discussion on the matter.

Where are atlatls mentioned in the Book of Mormon?

Bingo! The only possible problem is that Alma 43:17 does not explicitly say that Moroni assumed command of the armies at that very year when he was 25, only that he assumed command at 25. But the verse certainly seems to indicate that Mormon was referring to events in that very year, which would make Moroni about 43 when he died. War wounds are a very real and probable cause of death, even years after the battles, in a pre-antibiotic era. Another very real possibility is "fevers", mentioned in Alma 46:40, which may well have been responsible for the seemingly early deaths of others around that time, such as Shiblon. Especially for those weakened by war wounds whose immune systems would already have been somewhat compromised, such "fevers" (perhaps some strain of flu?) might have been fatal epidemics every few years.

Spirit of contention? Wingnut? Our confusion and questions are answered! Cydonia is clearly a crossover from a parallel universe, where beer is accepted as part of the word of wisdom and Wingnut is a troublemaker.

C'mon c'mon c'mon c'mon c'mon c'mon c'mon c'mon. I want to post more trivia questions.

Whenever I get hairs in my mouth, I spit them out, too. Hordak was not spitting hairs; he was spiting them. Once again, male pattern baldness takes its vicious toll.

Snow, it's against list policy to use a second identity.

You mean, Never get involved in a land war in Asia? Or, Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line?

"I think the plan was to get the glory without having to give the sacrifice." I'm still not seeing your point. How is this a "plan"? How would Satan acquire glory without sacrifice?

How old was Moroni (captain) when he died? Can you give probable causes of death?

I am not arguing that Satan is not clever. I don't understand what you mean by "Satan's plan". You say he had a plan that he had all thought out, even though it wouldn't work. So then... Let's say that I start talking to my friends and convince them to invest in my great new plan. This plan, I tell them, will make you money FOR SURE! Because I have a magical stock investment scheme that ALWAYS WORKS! So if you just give me all your money, I'll make us all rich beyond imagination! That kind of plan? Because if so, I would argue that there is nothing "smart" or "clever" about the "plan". It's simply a lie. So what is it, exactly, that you think must have been "smart" or "clever" about Satan's supposed "plan"? We already agree that (assuming it existed at all) the plan would not work. What's the cleverness? That he lied convincingly? How would this be different from his blatant, hamfisted, yet effective lie to Eve, "Thou shalt not surely die"?

^^This.

Before my mission, I worked at a pizza place. One of the managers was a returned missionary who had served among the Navajo. He told me many ghost stories that took place on the reservations. As I recall, he said that it got so bad that the sisters had to have the elders visit them every morning when they went out and every evening when they got back. The mission president then called in a General Authority (supposedly an apostle, though my manager couldn't name who it was), who is supposed to have instructed the missionaries to quit telling ghost stories to each other about their latest Satanic encounters. The result was that the demonic episodes stopped within a week. I fully believe in the existence of Satan and his "angels", and I also believe in demonic possession. But I cast a jaded and disbelieving eye upon almost all ghost story featuring such events. I think they make Latter-day Saints look credulous and superstitious. Certainly, there are worse things to be than credulous and superstitious, but they are still things I would rather not have associated with either myself or my Church.

Miss½, I'm interested to know what you meant when you wrote: In what way was "the plan" (if we assume there was such a thing) "smart"? Do you mean it was beguiling? Granted, but that doesn't make it particularly clever. Eve was deceived by a simple denial of truth: "Thou shalt not surely die". As recent and historical election returns clearly demonstrate, transparent and hamfisted lies can be exceedingly effective.