YoungMormonRoyalist

Or uphill one may argue.

.....well technically this person urged us to be saved rather than 'Burn in Hell'. .........................yah....................

I had to go back to work right when things looked bad for San Diego...and then I came back....there have only been a few extreme moments where I've been tempted to swear...this was one of them. Instead I regulated myself to spilling hot chocolate everywhere....

As I did in the other thread, may I direct you to Genesis 3: 22. Do to the constrains of the english language we we have several translations of God from Hebrew. Adonai - Lord, commonally used instead of YHWH YHWH - God, commonly translated as Jehovah Elohim/Eloi - God, or Gods (not gods), Elohim is plural interestingly enough....

Hey, give them a break. Perhaps we don't believe the same as they do, but I've come to respect the fact that most of them do it out out love and a sincere desire to save us.

Doesn't Genesis 3: 22 say that 'man is become as one of us' rather than 'man is become as I'?

Well it's good that we can at least agree that their is only one God. Yay for Unity!

Both. At this point in time there is only one patriarch in the Falconer family, my dad. At a future point in time when I have my own children there will be two, my father and I. But I still see my dad as my patriarch. If God is truly the father of our spirits, then it stands to reason that he would want to share with us all that he knows. What father would deny his children all that he has? Romans 8: 17 tells that we our his children and joint-heirs with Christ. And Christ inherited everythign from the Father. The ones who shall become gods are not those who lust after power, or control, for those are not worthy to recieve what Heavenly Father gives. They are those who seek to be 'perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect', perfect in love, charity, priesthood and goodness, without these, all other god like attributes are nothing. The New Testament is not exactly a chronological account where the books were organized by dating of authorship. If that were the case then a lot of the epistles would be first, and the gospels scattered throughout. It would also mean that that the Gospel of John would be after the book of Revelations. Hence, by your reasoning that beautiful scripture written the the apostle beloved of Christ would be invalid. The Bible iteslf is Latin for "Collection of Books", and the warning provided in Revelations only concerns the prophecies in that same book. Interestingly enough it says the same thing in Deutoromny, which is one of the reasons the Saducees rejected the idea of the resurrection, as anything after the Books of Moses were considered not scripture. Of course God preserves his Word, why do you think the Book of Mormon was hidden? To preserve it for our day? The Gospel principles, which are the true Words of God, are eternal. The Bible is nothing but a bunch of paper with words on it, written by man. However, the Gospel, or Good WORD, does endureth forever. There is always one God and shall always be one God. Will there ever be more gods? Sure, but never more than one God. As for the King Follet discourse, which refers to the 'Man to God' thing, it's not technically canon. Though if one believes it there is no condemnation, and the discourse may in fact be correct, as I believe. And you're right, God isn't the author of confusion, he has one gospel and one word. Tell me then? Which church contains this word? All of the Christian Churches can't be right, for there is only one church truly headed by God and his Son. Is it Catholicism? Eastern Orthodoxy? Protestantism? Arianism? Gnosticism? Armenian Christianity? I agree with you completely, works will definitley not save me alone. But to disregard them will also damn us. Grace and works go hand in hand, and it has also been my belief that they are one in the same. The Christ himself said "If ye love me, keep my commandments." I love and believe in Christ, and therefore it is my active duty to spread his word, to do as he did and Work with the children of men. I believe that in the end I'll be judged by my works as well as my belief in Christ and his atoning sacrifice (Revelations 20: 13). Are you married? Or dating someone? If so, can you just go home and say to that someone "Love you" and expect the relationship to last. Or do you have to work at it? Do you have to show your love by doing things for them? Thanks for the reassurance.

Well as an amateur student in economics, no money doesn't not disappear into thin air, but...does it lose it's value? Yah. The classic point familiar to church members was when the anti-bank founded by Joseph Smith and several other members failed. There was a rush on the bank to exchange the paper currency for hard cash, and when it ran out the paper currency became worthless, just a piece paper with a number stamped on it. This is due to the fact that most banks never keep enough hard cash or something like it to back up these numbers stamped on paper or floating around in computers. When the majority of the Western World transferred from the gold standard (Basing the value of your currency on the amount of gold/silver/whatever you had) to GDP, the economy became that much more susceptable to fluctuations. This is of some use, such as when Britain purposefully devalued their currency in the '30s in order to attract more foreign investment, though it also means that if the consumption rate or growth raise slows, or downright plummets the value of your money plummets. So yes, its true that these numbers have not been lost...they just don't mean anything or as much any more. For example, a few years back we bought our house for around 180, 000 dollars. We had a real estate boom that brought up the price to almost 500,000. This is an example of the opposite trend, where something has increased in value. The plummet of a stock market is actually the first step of a recovery, as weird as that may sound. Those, who before the crash, have bought stocks or objects that retain their value (The classic case being gold) can then see what they have and reinvest their money into the stock market, thus brining up the value. My advice? (Which may or may not be of some value to the beholder) Invest in non-perishable food items. If the economy ever crashes to the point where even 'safe' investments into such things as gold are deemed worthless due to the fact that people will realize that it's just a shiny rock one of the only things of value will be food, which can be used for bartering. Either that or invest in useful education, which will allow you to sell your services to those who produce or have food. And that's my little doomsday tidbit for today. If this doesn't make sense then I place all responsibility on the fact that it's almost 2 in the morning.

It is a fact that as you get older your adolescent metabolism that allows you to eat an entire pizza with no significant weight change will slow down. For men it happens around 24 give or take a few years and with woman it is around 20, again giving or taking a few years. Just a little tid bit for you daenvgiell Hence the reason why my old YM president came back looking like a balloon. Don't worry though, from your picture you look fine, great even!

We're kind of giving each other space right now, but it will be alright. So he kind of said somethings to Jill that weren't the kindest. After she got out of school (She's still in Grade 12, she's about 8 months younger than me) she and I went to this beautiful park in the middle of no where. We just walked around, enjoyed the summer heat and talked about anything and everything. Eventually we got to this beautiful lake in the park (You have to understand that I live in the Rockies of British Columbia, and it's honestly one of the most beautiful places on earth), which had a dock leading out into it. She only had a sandals on so I carried her over a big puddle of rock (Me big strong football playing hunk) and we went out onto the dock. We just began to talk about ourselves and our lives, and finally she started to cry, and admitted to me that her testimony had been shaken, not broken, in the past year and that I was "too good for her". I sat there for a moment, looking out onto the lake, and finally got up. Walking up to her I put my arms around her, and said, "Jill, you come from a royal line and divine parenthood. Nothing is 'too good' for one of God's daughters, and you have more potential and more divine possibilities than you or I can even comprehend". She looked up at me, and leaned in as I did too.....and then we stopped. "Not yet..." we agreed. Thomas S. Monson councilled us to save our kisses....and I'm glad we did. BUT COME ON!!!! Anyways, did I do the right thing?

Well let's just put it this way, he said nothing, his eyes were as wide as frizbees and he simply walked out...

It is prophesied actually, a couple of times in the Old Testament. It speaks of how the saviour will be bought for silver and the field bought with it shall be used to bury foreigners....which is what Judas's field was used for.

Okay so here's the reaction: Her: She put her head down on the table, blushing, and just said, "Wow....." Me: "Oh hey Ki, uhhhhh.......wanna hang out in an hour or so?"

See the funny thing is...when we were planning lunch on the phone I had this feeling in the back of my mind that kept saying, "No matter where you go....Ki's gonna show up."

Way the heck more. Let's just say that this girl has had really bad luck with dating: First boyfriend cheated on her. Second boyfriend (Ki) kissed her at a hockey game (I live in Canada ) and then they never talked for three months after that, she heard that he was dating someone here in my town (Partly true), so she thought it was over. Third boyfriend was a bit better, but the relationship ended when they decided they weren't right for each other. So anyways, she and I had always been really really good friends (We later admitted that there were some more feelings there), and dated people on the side. Last Stake Conference though we got assigned nursery duty together by the YM president...that's a story inistelf...and then she and I, and a bunch of Youth ended up watching a movie. While there you could just feel this sort of....I dunno, energy? It was physical, sexual (No, we haven't done anything outside of church standards, but I think it's mature enough to admit that part, a huge part actually, is due to sexual attraction), spiritual, emotional at the same time...even when I started falling asleep and she hit me over the head with a pillow cus I had to drive home that night. Now...this is where it gets complicated. My friend Ki is easily the best in his family, one brother commited suicide, one's a father at 19, one does everything under the sun, and only his sister has recently come back to the church. He's faithful, but still has some problems with sitting on the fence. He wants and does obey the commandments of God, but he still wants to maintain a 'cool, partying' reputation. And part of the reason he moved to where he is now is to be closer to Jill (my girlfriend), because he wants to 'marry her, and settle down', regardless of how much we prod him to go on a mission. Jill's exaspperated because she doesn't have any interest to her. So....one night Jill and I are talking on the phone, we talk a lot. After a while she tells me she has to go, because she has a really bad stomach ache. The entire night I had thought about it and decided to tell her that I was interested in her, but I decided to let it go. After we hung up, I sat there for a while, and then decided to ask for some help from our Heavenly Father. I got down on my knees and I prayed I didn't ask him whether or not she like me back, whether or not Ki would be angry, but simply "Should I tell her and get it out in the open, regardless of her reaction?" I got one of the most peaceful, calm, burning feelings inside, to such an extent that I had only felt it stronger three times more in my life. I then prayed that Jill would feel better. I phoned her back and the first thing she says is, "Eww...I just barfed in the toilet...but hey I'm feeling way the heck better now." (At this point I just started laughing and said "Wow he answers fast") I then proceeded to tell her that I thought she was talented, beautiful, kind, loving, caring and that the gist of it all was that I liked her. There was a bit of an awkward pause, and she finally said, "Wow....ummm....it's good that you went first....cus....umm...ditto?" Things went from there and then the subway, lunch thing happened.

Just to take us away from the debate for a second, there was an interesting talk given by a General Authority a few years back. He told of a conversation that he and a Catholic Theologian had which went something like this (Paraphrasing here): You Mormons don't have a clue as to how strong your position is. The reality is is that either the Catholic Church is God's chosen church or yours is, and none others. If the Catholic Church is correct in saying that there was never an apostacy and we have God's authority then all the Protestant churches are heretical and false. However if we did in fact lose important doctrines and priesthood keys necessary for salvation a full restoration would have to take place, not a reformation. If the Catholic faith was really a dead church then all the Protestant ones are as well, you cannot reform what is dead, just as you cant take a dead branch from a dead tree and expect it to grow anew. There was more, but that was the gist of it.

As I see it, God puts symbols within symbols within symbols. For instance, as Christ was baptized, so should we be baptized. We believe that the earth is a living thing, and it was baptized by water during the flood of Noah and will be baptized by fire when Christ returns. So it is with the Church. As Christ died and was resurrected, so will we be. The same can be said of the church. It died and was restored, or resurected if you will. In that sense the gates of hades (As it is in Greek) did not prevail against it, as they didn't prevail against Christ. Death had a temporal victory against Jesus and the Church, but ultimately total victory and triumph belongs to Heavenly Father and his Son.

Well he didn't really introduce us. We all met at Youth Conference a few years back.

So here's the situation....my current girlfriend, a girl in the stake, and I only recently got together (which in itself was a very spiritual, prayer-involved, amazing experience). Now, about a year ago she had 'gone out' (well not really...but she did...and...yah it's complicated) with my best friend, also a member. They had broken up but they remained friends. A year later and it's obvious that he still really...really....really likes her, deny it as he might. I develop feelings for her and figure "hey, if you're not going to admit your attraction to her I feel no guilt about asking her out on a couple dates." So things go on from there. We start dating and the discussion moves to "How do we tell Ki about this." This is where things get interesting. I travel one day to see her (We live about an hour/hour and a half apart), and we're sitting there enjoying lunch. As were talking about the Ki situation guess who walks in to see us holding hands....... My question, for entertainment purposes, what would you say/do? This is not a serious advice thread, I just want to see what you would all say. In a little while I'll post what our actual response was.

Youth right here!

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Look it up on youtube and just skip to the 5: 00 minute mark. It's the best, and cleanest part of the movie. Personally I think it's Heavenly Father's favourite part of the atonement as well.

My favourite part of it was the end. After all the sorrow and pain in the movie the last scene starts off with a crack of light in the tomb as the stone is rolled away. And the Christ stands up, marks in his hands. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. (1 Corinthians 15: 24)

My brother showed me this. It's absolutely hilarious: