Third Hour Forum Rules - Please be familiar with these rules before posting

caspianrex

Members
 View Profile  See their activity

  • Posts

    46

  • Joined

  • Last visited

 Content Type 

Posts posted by caspianrex

  1. Is Third Hour defunct?

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    I haven't checked in here for quite some time, and I noticed that, even though there are a few recent posts here on the Forum, the main page of ThirdHour.org has no new articles since about February of 2021...over a year ago. So is the website itself basically defunct? If so, how long will the Forum continue to exist?

    Just curious...

    image.thumb.png.856e0b445a8f5b51e35de0521c8e18b8.png

  2. The most annotated verses

    in LDS Gospel Discussion

    Posted

    On 3/1/2022 at 12:47 AM, Traveler said:

    I believe it is sad that Moroni 10:3 and 4 are so referenced when I believe that the rest of the Chapter (10) is the intended focus of Moroni's last words to our generation.  In the remaining part of the chapter Moroni uses the word "exhort" several time - for what I believe to be the more important point of the focus of the Chapter.   I believe that the intended focus is pointed to our generation and specifically to the Latter-day Saints.

     

    The Traveler

    Meanwhile, it is not too surprising that those verses from Moroni are at the top of the list. After all, when the missionaries talk to a non-LDS person (like myself), what's one of the first passages they are going to ask me to look up when they hand me my free copy of the BoM? So if I visit the church's Scriptures website, that's probably going to be one of the first passages I go to as well.

    I would be willing to bet that, for "mainstream" Christians who are just beginning to read the Bible, John 3:16 is at the top of the heap for the same reason. And I have the same concerns with that text (and people ignoring the larger context) that @Traveler mentions above.

  5. Standard Works - 1970s Missionary Editions

    in LDS Gospel Discussion

    Posted

    On 3/19/2020 at 4:52 AM, askandanswer said:

    Umm, I'm kind of curious why you have them and wondering what you do with them.

    I have them because I've long enjoyed studying LDS history and literature. I also became fascinated with the printing history of the Book of Mormon, and the way the printing and formatting of the text evolved over time, as well as the differences among versions of the BOM printed by various groups apart from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Bickertonites, Zarahemla Research Foundation, RLDS, etc.) I read them, and do gain some inspiration from them, albeit not in the same sense as my LDS friends.

  6. Standard Works - 1970s Missionary Editions

    in LDS Gospel Discussion

    Posted

    [When I clicked on the link I shared in the previous post, I was unable to scroll down, so I copied the spreadsheet below, just in case.]

      Title Description Publication Date
    1 [The Book of Mormon] (Deseret Alphabet version) Blue Paperback, transcribed by John H. Jenkins 2015
    2 A Companion to Your Study of the Doctrines and Covenants Paperback, by Daniel H. Ludlow (Vols. 1 & 2) 1978
    3 A Complete Concordance of the Book of Mormon Burgundy hardcover, by George Reynolds 1973
    4 A New Approach to Studying the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ Blue softcover; organized by events, emphasizing narrators, speakers, locations, dates and quoted passages; ed. by Lynn A. Rosenvall & David L. Rosenvall (2013 BOM text) 2018
    5 A Topical Guide to the Scripturws of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Black hardcover, topical index to Standard Works 1977
    6 Annotated Edition of the Book of Mormon Large blue hardcover w/ 2 marker ribbons; edited by David Hocking and Rod Meldrum 2018
    7 Book of Mormon Hardcover 1830 facsimile edition, from Nauvoo Mercantile 1830 (reprint)
    8 Book of Mormon, Seminary Student Study Guide Paperback, prepared by the Church Educational System 2000
    9 Book of Mormon, Student Manual Paperback (Religion 121 and 122) 1996
    10 Book of Mormon: 1830 Edition Brown hardcover, Grandin Artisans facsimile ed. 1830 (reprint)
    11 Book of Mormon: Authorized Version Black hardcover, published by RLDS 1992
    12 Book of Mormon: Revised Authorized Version Black hardcover, published by RLDS (copyright renewed 1994) 1966
    13 Church History in the Fulness of Times, Student Manual Paperack (Religion 341 through 343) 2003
    14 Doctrine and Covenants, Student Manual Paperback 1981
    15 Gospel Principles Paperback 2009
    16 Holy Bible, King James Version Brown leather, regular size 1979
    17 Holy Bible, King James Version Brown leather, regular size (newer copy) 1979
    18 Holy Bible, King James Version White leather in zipper case, previously owned by Carol F. Capps; specially bound for Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Daints; distributed by The Deseret Book Company (Missionary edition) --
    19 Holy Bible, King James Version Blue leather, regular size, thumb indexed (1979 edition) 1983
    20 Holy Bible, King James Version Brown leather, large print edition 1979
    21 Holy Bible, King James Version Burgundy paperback, regular size 1979
    22 Holy Bible, King James Version Blue paperback, large print edition 2013
    23 Holy Bible, King James Version Blue paperback, thinline free edition, no notes 2000
    24 Holy Bible/The Book of Mormon/Doctrine & Covenants/Pearl of Great Price Teal leather quad combo in matching case 1979
    25 Holy Bible/The Book of Mormon/Doctrine & Covenants/Pearl of Great Price Black imitation leather quad combo, 2013 version 2013
    26 Holy Bible/The Book of Mormon/Doctrine & Covenants/Pearl of Great Price Burgundy imitation leather quad combo (thumb indexed), 2013 version 2013
    27 Holy Scriptures: Inspired Version Black hardcover, published by Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (RLDS) 1974
    28 Hymns of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Green hardcover hymnal, second edition 1998
    29 Hymns of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Blue leather, pocket size edition 1985
    30 Mormon America: The Power and the Promise Paperback, by Richard & Joan Ostling 2007
    31 Mormons Under the Microscope Paperback, by Ed D. Lauritsen, PhD 2010
    32 Revelations in Context Paperback 2016
    33 Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Brigham Young Paperback 1997
    34 Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: David O. McKay Paperback 2003
    35 Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Ezra Taft Benson Paperback 2014
    36 Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: George Albert Smith Paperback 2011
    37 Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Gordon B. Hinckley Paperback 2016
    38 Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: John Taylor Paperback 2001
    39 Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith Paperback 1998
    40 Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Joseph Fielding Smith Paperback  
    41 Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith Spiral bound 2007
    42 Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith Paperback 2007
    43 Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Lorenzo Snow Paperback 2012
    44 Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Spencer W. Kimball Paperback 2006
    45 Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Wilford Woodruff Paperback 2004
    46 Teachings of Thomas S. Monson Paperback 2011
    47 The Book of Mormon Burgundy paperback w/ Moroni on cover (1920 text) 1950
    48 The Book of Mormon Blue paperback w/ Moroni on cover (1920 text) 1978
    49 The Book of Mormon Paperback, Penguin Classics version of 1840 edition 2008
    50 The Book of Mormon Blue hardcover w/ Moroni on cover (1920 text) 1980
    51 The Book of Mormon Blue hardcover, large print, illustrated (1920 text) 1962
    52 The Book of Mormon (Red letter) Black leather edition, published by Bickertonites, Monongahela PA, 4th ed. 2001
    53 The Book of Mormon Study Guide: Start to Finish Paperback, by Thomas R. Valletta 2015
    54 The Book of Mormon: A Reader's Edition Paperback, 1920 text edited by Grant Hardy 2005
    55 The Book of Mormon: A Reader's Edition Hardcover, 1920 text edited by Grant Hardy 2003
    56 The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ Blue hardcover (1981 text) 1987
    57 The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ Blue paperback (2013 text) 2013
    58 The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ Blue paperback (1981 text) 1981
    59 The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ Blue paperback (1981 text, prev. owned by Wood family) 1981
    60 The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ Hardcover, Doubleday edition (1981 text) 2004
    61 The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ Burgundy paperback pocket size edition ("Beware False Prophets!") 1981 text 1990
    62 The Book of Mormon: Maxwell Institute Study Edition Paperback, ed. by Grant Hardy (2013 text) 2018
    63 The Book of Mormon: Restored Covenant Edition Black bonded leather, published by Zarahemla Research Foundation 2009
    64 The Book of Mormon: Selections Annotated & Explained Paperback, annotations by Jana Riess, foreword by Phyllis Tickle 2005
    65 The Book of Mormon: The Earliest Text Hardcover, Yale edition edited by Royal Skousen 1999
    66 The Book of Mormon/Doctrine & Covenants/Pearl of Great Price Blue paperback, Triple combo, large print 1981
    67 The Book of Mormon/Doctrine & Covenants/Pearl of Great Price Black leather, Triple combo, regular size 2013
    68 The Book of Mormon/Doctrine & Covenants/Pearl of Great Price Brown leather, triple combo, regular size 1981
    69 The Book of Mormon/Doctrine & Covenants/Pearl of Great Price White triple combo, in white zipper case, formerly owned by Carol F. Capps 1974
    70 The Mormon Experience: A History of the Latter-day Saints Hardcover w/ dust jacket, by Leonard J. Arrington & Davis Bitton 1979
    71 The Mormonizing of America Hardcover, by Stephen Mansfield (signed by author) 2012
    72 The Stick of Joseph in the Hand of Ephraim Hardcover, Hebraicized Book of Mormon adaptation 2019
    73 The Timechart History of Mormonism Large fold-out book by Christopher Kendall Bigelow 2007
    74 КНИГА МОРМОНА [Book of Mormon in Russian] Blue hardcover, Russian translation 1982

  8. Standard Works - 1970s Missionary Editions

    in LDS Gospel Discussion

    Posted

    18 hours ago, CV75 said:

    I still have mine! And I have the more recent editions as well as they came out with new canon, manuscript conformance and study help updates (and of course the online version). ETA I also have a Book of Mormon from 1919...

    I have the more recent editions in a variety of sizes and combinations (individual volumes, large and small, as well as a few triple and quad combos).

     

  13. Standard Works - 1970s Missionary Editions

    in LDS Gospel Discussion

    Posted

    A few days ago, I acquired a neat little addition to my library: a Bible and a Triple Combo (Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, Pearl of Great Price), missionary editions from the late 1970s (just before the Standard Works were published in a "new" format).

    They are both thumb-indexed editions in a white zipper-case. The Bible had a little slip of paper inside it, printed with these words:

    Quote

     

    This is your missionary Bible. Day by day, over the years, it will go with you and be your guide, your strength, your courage, and your wisdom.

    What is in the Bible commands your respect and your devotion. So the physical book itself must command care from your hands.

    Given proper care this Bible will last a lifetime. It should not, of course, be allowed to get damp, nor should it be subjected to too much heat. Never put a Bible down on a steam radiator.

    It is most important with a new Bible to get the backbone supple by gentle opening. Take your new Bible and place it closed with the backbone flat ona table. Now open the two covers and gently run your fingers down the part where they join the pages. Now take twenty or thirty pages from the front of the book and the back and again run your fingers down the inside edge of the pages. Continue to take twenty or thirty pages more from each end until you reach the middle of the book.

    Never, NEVER wrench a Bible open forcibly, especially when it is new. This will break the back of the book.

     

    The Bible also has a section in the middle, between Old and New Testaments, called Ready References, a handy little guide for the missionaries on a variety of topics. There is a Bible Dictionary, that was extensively adapted when the church published its own KJV in 1979. This edition also says on its title page that it is specially bound for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and distributed by the Deseret Book Company. (I believe the edition was actually printed by the Cambridge University Press, which would later print the Church's edition of the KJV.)

    Both books are in excellent condition, so I'm quite happy with this addition to my library!

     

     

  14. Really? The world is coming to this?

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    On 7/5/2019 at 10:13 AM, dprh said:

    I really like the play Wicked.  I couldn't stand the book though.  It was....gross.  

    NPH has never tried to convince me of anything.  I feel left out. 😂

    I read the book as well, and it was pretty awful. Really kind of amazing that they were able to make a hit Broadway show based on that depressing, dreary book.

    Meanwhile, my wife adores Wicked, and my daughter has seen it on Broadway. I'm kind of lukewarm on it, but I do think a few songs are good: Defying Gravity, Popular, and For Good are standouts for me.

  15. Book of Mormon - Maxwell Institute Study Edition

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    I initially posted this on the Scripture Study part of the forum, but not sure anyone saw it...

    I've searched, but haven't seen much discussion about the Maxwell Insitute's Study Edition of the Book of Mormon, edited by Grant Hardy. Hardy published a Reader's Edition of the BOM about 15 years ago, and I have to say, as a someone who is not a Latter-day Saint, I found it much easier to read than the standard edition published by the Church and distributed by the missionaries. Nothing wrong with that standard edition, of course. I have several different copies of that version. But I was only able to finish reading the BOM by reading Hardy's Reader's Edition. 

    Well, just the other day, I got a copy of the Maxwell Institute Study Edition, and I think it's possibly even better than Hardy's Reader's Edition! This one is oriented more towards Latter-day Saints, whereas the Reader's Edition was primarily oriented towards non-LDS folks. The new(ish) MISE uses the 2013 Church edition of the text, while Hardy's earlier book used the 1920 edition, which was in the public domain. The MISE has some excellent notes, based largely on Royal Skousen's critical text work over the past couple decades, and I think that whereas it was designed to be used by LDS, it can also be a useful tool for non-LDS like myself, who want to experience the BOM in a more accessible format.

    Here is a good review of the MISE, from Book of Mormon Central. I would love to hear thoughts from others who may have this edition. What do you like (or not like) about it?

  17. Maxwell Institute Study Edition of BOM

    in Book of Mormon

    Posted

    I've searched, but haven't seen much discussion about the Maxwell Insitute's Study Edition of the Book of Mormon, edited by Grant Hardy. Hardy published a Reader's Edition of the BOM about 15 years ago, and I have to say, as a someone who is not a Latter-day Saint, I found it much easier to read than the standard edition published by the Church and distributed by the missionaries. Nothing wrong with that standard edition, of course. I have several different copies of that version. But I was only able to finish reading the BOM by reading Hardy's Reader's Edition. 

    Well, just the other day, I got a copy of the Maxwell Institute Study Edition, and I think it's possibly even better than Hardy's Reader's Edition! This one is oriented more towards Latter-day Saints, whereas the Reader's Edition was primarily oriented towards non-LDS folks. The new(ish) MISE uses the 2013 Church edition of the text, while Hardy's earlier book used the 1920 edition, which was in the public domain. The MISE has some excellent notes, based largely on Royal Skousen's critical text work over the past couple decades, and I think that whereas it was designed to be used by LDS, it can also be a useful tool for non-LDS like myself, who want to experience the BOM in a more accessible format.

    Here is a good review of the MISE, from Book of Mormon Central. I would love to hear thoughts from others who may have this edition. What do you like (or not like) about it?

  19. Book of Mormon - Restored Covenant Edition

    in LDS Gospel Discussion

    Posted

    I was reading 1 Nephi in the RCE yesterday, and I have to say, it's beautifully laid out. Very friendly to the eye. Too bad they chose to go with the RLDS numbering system. I would find the volume more useful, I think, if the chapters and verses were in line with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' official publication.

    Still, despite some of their questionable motivations and methodology, it's a lovely piece of work in many respects.

  22. Book of Mormon - Restored Covenant Edition

    in LDS Gospel Discussion

    Posted

    Skousen's edition of the BoM is excellent. Grant Hardy's "Reader's Edition" is also quite good.

    I totally understand the concerns that have been shared about the RCE. I think, if I were LDS, I would be a bit suspicious of this statement in the Introduction of the RCE: "The Restored Covenant Edition...has been prepared because, according to our testimony, the Lord directed us to do it."

  23. Book of Mormon - Restored Covenant Edition

    in LDS Gospel Discussion

    Posted

    I am not a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but I have a fairly extensive collection of LDS publications: different editions of the Book of Mormon, Teachings of the Presidents, etc. One of the more unusual editions of the Book of Mormon in my collection is one that I found at a used bookstore: it's called the "Restored Covenant Edition," and it's published by something called the Zarehemla Research Foundation. It's very nicely laid out, it's a "red letter" edition, and it has a concordance in the back. It's clearly not an official Church publication, but it's a pretty nice piece of work anyway.  Has anyone seen this publication?

    If you are interested in reading the Restored Covenant Edition online, here is their website: http://www.restoredcovenant.org/RCE.asp?CAT=RCE

    Would be interested in an LDS perspective on the edition and/or the website linked above.

    Peace,

    Cory

  24. Original ‘Studio C’ Cast is Leaving the Show (And They’re Looking for Replacements)

    in Third Hour Article Discussion

    Posted

    My family are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but I "discovered" Studio C a few years ago, and started showing some videos to my children last year. Now the whole family regularly watches Studio C sketches on YouTube. We weren't crazy about Season 8, but the first 7 seasons have so many hilarious sketches. Hoping for good things from Season 9, as they seem to have realized that they didn't do enough live comedy in Season 8. I will certainly be following what the original cast ends up doing!

  25. “New” name and church identity

    in LDS Gospel Discussion

    Posted

    I imagine they'll keep the URL of mormon.org the same, so that people seeking information on The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints can still get where they're going.

    Incidentally, I just watched the Welcome video on the home page of mormon.org, and noticed the narrator mentions "Mormon chapels." So I suspect the process may take a bit of time to take effect.