Backroads

I believe it was this one, though the illness was rotovirus.

I think some will rethink their views. We live in a time where we don't get to see the bad sides of these diseases. It's easy to dismiss a theoretical, more difficult when it's your kid. In fact, I once read this account of a mom who was strongly anti-vax until practically the whole family came down what I think was whooping cough. That changed her tune. However, and maybe it's me whose a little too paranoid, I think there will be a lot of work done to discourage vaccinations even if measles come back in full force.

I agree that a majority would, but the anti-vax movement is growing and they have a lot of business interests to protect. They depend on convincing more and more people not to vaccinate.

I saw a discussion where her entire defense was "ChatGPT said such".

This is actually where I worry we have the opposite danger. I don't trust the people who discourage trusting science and doctors. And it starts with planting that seed of doubt in parents. If all the "do your own research!" folk would just share their research, I might feel differently, but it's always a weird psychological game. "Oh, you trust the government? You don't think for yourself? You don't think you can find the info I have? You actually believe the research you found?" Lots of smoke, no fire. And the results are pretty bad and creating a lot of anxiety, which I think makes people more susceptible to manipulation. Telling people to not trust good data and research without giving them a solid alternative is evil.

Good ol' Marsha. Ironically, that actress is the one who complains about that episode because apparently she had measles in a bad way

I think I may have in the past expressed my disdain for the antivac community in general. Sorry, it's how I feel. Utah has had a few cases of the measles. 7 cases, last I heard. Probably not the next pandemic, but apparently interesting enough to garner news stories. Again, probably not a big deal, but I have older relatives that have tales of the measles and they don't paint it in a pretty light at all. Well... Every article allowing comments has a handful of people saying the measles are not a big deal because... An episode of The Brady Bunch made it look mild. Really. You believe a fictional sitcom. The best explanation I've gotten is that it's supposed to be an example of how people back then viewed the disease, but even that makes it seem like propaganda. I suppose I'm more flummoxed at the idea The Brady Bunch is considered the epitome of research.

Probably not. I was just being quippy.

We just finished month of May. Two of my kids have three chronic conditions between them and all apparently were meant to be recognizing during May. We have twelve months, folks. We got to share them. Edit: I am going to celebrate candy this month, no matter what it crowds out.

Maybe he was evolving in his personal... Personhood. Or something like that.

I love everything about this story.

I can't say I fault you.

Same invasive thing in the US!

Username: Don't recall why. I've used it for almost two decades in more than one location I like the look of leaves. Yup.

I'm only 40 and I'm starting to settle into my preferred tech.

I think it may actually go deeper than that. I've seen some scary, scary ideas in the natural health world. There isn't a plan for exactly a master race, but ... it's kind of there. Literal calls to let a good plague wipe out the weak or something. The snake oil is tricky because it might be more innocent. I have a relative who made his millions in the natural health industry, and it's an industry that is far, far more profitable than vaccines. I like the peach pit cancer cure example you made. It really does boil down to "vaccines can upset my bottom line" so they have to, as a matter of business, discourage vaccines. You get it with the smaller "I'm just trying to feed my family" crowd, yes, but it's a big business. I think a lot of these people aren't maliciously intended, but I also think some of them are caring more about the almighty dollar than public health. They also get the added guise of "but we're natural!" to hide behind. To edit: I also don't care much for the attitude behind the anti-vax movement. There's a lot of shadow play and manipulation. "Do your own research" drives me crazy. It's a blatant attempt to sow distrust while also being an idiotic declaration that research is bad. Sorry @Ironhold, but I don't care much for the idea of reading an article instead of analyzing the studies they used for the article. Science-based studies? Oh, you'll have people who will line you up with studies to read. But the anti-vax is a bizarre attempt to make you doubt your own mind and studies and follow a false prophet. It's been years now, but I'll never forget that incident where a mom group convinced one of their moms to let her kid die instead of using modern medicine and then made it into cover-up.

Then there's me who really does think there is a Big Natural Health conspiracy that is intentionally trying to reintroduce diseases.

There is some far right conservative stuff that is quite the apostasy mess.

One of my favorite LDS mom group horror stories was a lady who claimed she had received revelation that she was on a higher spiritual plane than the prophet and that's why she didn't vaccinate her kids (any vaccines) and knew the prophet would one day be punished for allowing vaccines.

Nutrition is a fascinating thing. I am a little wary of those who claim it is everything. I've made no secret of my distaste for anti-vaxxers and Big Natural Health, who I find to be for the most part grifters.

It's absolutely overdiagnosed. I think to some degree we are in a time where disorders may be some variation of "cool". I definitely believe in circumstances that are so extreme they cause real issues and need to be treated, but people are also trying to categorize every little thing. My concern is that we're so scattered on how to approach not just ADHD but attention in general that we are at a loss for that elusive best way to learn. A common sadness among teachers is that we can't really do much that is more active because kids have no traditionally-learned limits, so all the time is spent practicing limits and boundaries. "I would love for you to run around. Can you do it without destroying something or hitting someone?" That's a surprising amount of steps and skills to get to that point.

I hate to say it, but this is almost what I suspect. Which sounds curmudgeonly, but there's that confession.

@Carborendum Much in your post fits the situation. There is evidence to suggest she does have an intellect problem, which can't be easy. She has a job, but can't get it together to keep money on hand. I know a few people have tried to involve a social worker, but nothing comes of it. It's just frustrating and sad.

I believe the current terms is that it's the same issue but may be hyperactive or inattentive. I have a lot of ADHD and Tourettes in my family, and us eventually learning about this stuff was life-changing. Then came the day when my ADHD mom, while helping a friend learn about her kid's autism diagnosis, kept glancing at my dad, the guy she just assumed was an awkward nerd she happened to fall in love with. Now diagnosed, and the childhood stories about him are textbook. I suspect I have ADHD myself, though not diagnosed. I was the model student growing up, but my brain is also an oddity. I think I mentioned in another thread about a student I had that couldn't even get out the door to go to recess for the recommended running around time, he was so unfocused. Could barely eat because of the wiggliness and attention. He'd be about 5th or 6th grade now and I wonder if they ever found something to help him.