Timpman

Rancid food in a kitchen bowl Noxious mood in my cranium hole Spiral knots in my muscles sore Hardened clots in my heart galore I hate myself and want to die I break myself but cannot cry

Yes, I believe I have made that mistake. I was raised believing as Joseph Fielding did. Now I know that:

I am not actually sure that the coccyx and plantaris muscle prove human evolution. They are just quite convincing to me. I DO believe that God created the bodies of Adam of Eve. They were terrestrial bodies, but turned telestial through the Fall.

I grew up ignoring evolution or thinking it's all rubbish. Then I realized that evolution is a reality among animals, but held that man is completely separate and different. I have believed that evolution of other species does not necessarily mean that man descended from another species. Now I'm just confused.

I have been doubting EVERYTHING because my rock, my foundation, is the Redeemer. If the coccyx and plantaris muscle prove that humans evolved from other primates, then a serious shadow is cast on the account of the Creation and Fall. That leads to doubt of the whole Church and Plan of Salvation.

I agree that God didn't create the corruption. I posited that perhaps God inserted Adam and Eve at the right time. They could have been placed in the Garden of Eden with their uncorrupted bodies even though those bodies came through evolution. It could all be rubbish. I don't know.

I would really like a response to this, cryophil.

Adam and Eve were real people and the general story is a fact. Of course, we don't know all the details.

Well, nothing makes sense now. Actually this goes beyond not making sense. It makes me doubt EVERYTHING about my life. Bla bla bla. Don't know what else to say about it.

I can't digest that right now. I'm going back to Primary.

Hmmmm, what about Adam and Eve being real, historical people‽

Very good stuff. Thanks. I really like those quotes and will check out the links when I have time.

HiJolly, can you you briefly tell me how you reconciled it? Did God insert Adam and Eve at the right point in the process of evolution?

JM, thanks for your input as well. I shouldn't worry about all this.

annewandering, I appreciate your input. However, I don't think that really explains it. Embryos are one thing, but we as adults still have a tailbone and plantaris muscles. I guess my testimony is okay, though.

Here's the definitive reference:

Here’s some excerpts from https://www.lds.org/ensign/2002/02/the-origin-of-man: No, that does not specifically say the account of Adam and Eve is literal, but they sure speak as if it is. I searched for references to Adam and Eve and there is nothing that remotely infers that the account is not literal.

Hey, stop counting words and showing pics of fat. Stay on topic. I, for one, get very concerned about saying the Adam and Even account is not literal. More on this coming.....

Yes, let's just say that's what I'm doing :)

I guess bodies may have really evolved from monkeys and then God threw Adam and Eve in at the right time. What do you think of that? I take the account of Adam and Eve literally. It's not only in Genesis, it's also in the temple.

Help! I have shaken faith syndrome. Why do human embryos have tails and adults have a coccyx? Is it "the remnant of a lost tail" because we evolved from monkeys? Human vestigiality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia And what about the plantaris muscle? "Often mistaken for a nerve by freshman medical students, the muscle was useful to other primates for grasping with their feet. It has disappeared altogether in 9 percent of the population." https://notes.utk.edu/Bio/greenberg.nsf/0/0765bb50d404455385256f0000680854?OpenDocument&Click= I am serious.

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I posit that a "burning in the bosom" when practicing Chakra meditation does NOT contradict Mormonism. Does the burning indicate at all that Hinduism is the true religion? I would say the people are not having a revelation saying "Jesus is not the Son of God. Joseph Smith was not a prophet. The Book of Mormon is false." Same with Muslims. They can receive a burning, but it's not telling them anything contradictory to the true faith. During my mission in the US Mid-West. I met people of many faiths and I asked many them if they had prayed to know which church is true. Very very few (maybe 1 or 2) really had. I think a super-majority of people do not earnestly seek the true. The LDS Church is quite different. Mormons bear witness that this is the one true church. Millions have received a burning AND A SPECIFIC MESSAGE.

You missed an important post from the OP on page 9, gmaxx0071:

I made no judgement. We all have things to repent of every day. That's all I meant.