Timpman

I hate Effexor. I feel like I'm living in a dream, like I am only semi-conscious. I think it works to reduce anxiety by reducing ALL emotions and thoughts. I sometimes think I'm like a zombie. Previous attempts to get rid of the drug have failed.

I think I have $50,000 through my job. It's over two years old. I applied for more once upon a time but was denied due to my history. You are not being too nosy at all!. I actually do work in a call center. Taking calls was horrific to me. However, I have a different position now I do outbound calls to current customers and it's not bad. I wish I could change careers. I've tried but can't find something that would replace my current income. I was in school last year but failed out due my...wait for it....depression!

I must confess that I wish I had a simpler life, but I am married and we have for children. We don't have car payments, though, and our mortgage is moderate. There are many stresses still. I wish I could take a break. I think that if I get a week off from work for mental health issues, then my manager will be far less likely to recommend me for a promotion I am shooting for. I probably couldn't the handle the promotion anyway....

Yes, I am active. No, I don't feel there is anyone who can help. My bishop is great and a good man, but he doesn't understand this. I told him about it once. But I probably didn't explain to him how serious it is.

I understand to a good extent, which is why I'm still alive.

Maybe I can get off Effexor with the help of something like Propranolol. Do you take it daily or only when needed? A couple years ago, I had a glorious experience in the temple. That was possible because I had quit taking Effexor. Yes, it actually removes me from the influence of the Spirit. Anxiety got to me and I started taking Effexor again. I'm a freak without it.

That would fix me up, I think. But it would sink our family finances.

I've visited various family doctors, nurse practitioners, psychologists, therapists, and psychiatrists since I was 16 years old. I have been on at least 10 different medications. I have been on Effexor since I went to the hospital 8 years ago and I hate it. I need something like shock therapy.

I need a break, but I can't take one. It's so hard to get a vacation with this job. President Smith was went to San Francisco for months at a time due to his physical ailments and depression.

I don't have a plan. I wish I did. I am only trying to stay above water and keep my job.

Eight years ago I was nearly 25 years old. I was suicidal. I kept items in my car to complete suicide. I knew how and where, but not when. Then one day I was ready to do it. I was cold-hearted enough to leave my wife and two small children behind. But there is something else that saved me. My wife was pregnant and I wanted to meet the baby. I couldn't leave a pregnant woman behind. So I spent a few days in the psychiatric ward of a hospital. Here I am now thinking the time is near. I don't want to be alive anymore. My wife sometimes asks "Are you suicidal?" It sounds accusatory and I lie to her. I have slowly broken her spirit. She used to be an angel to me, but someone can tolerate depression cycles for only so long.

He should use the dumbest of dumbphones and no ipad. Eowyn is so right - "if he is sincere in his efforts to prove himself trustrworthy, he should be willing to do pretty much anything."

Yes, they have a unity of purpose, and they are three distinct persons. I'm not seeing a difference between our beliefs. Let's set a date for your baptism :).

Using the terms interchangeably, we can say that they are, indeed, separate beings. That does not mean they are not one in purpose, like a team or council. I think our views on the Godhead are very similar, which might make you feel uncomfortable. :)

That is very, very, very incorrect. When we say that they are separate "beings" that only means they are not one physical person. They are very much one in purpose like a team or council. Aren't we all human beings? Yet we are not one mass. It seems to only be trinitarians who confuse the definition of that term. There's nothing says the Father doesn't or can't have a body, though.

If "being" means something like a team or a council, then we would have that in common. I have heard people say that Jesus does not have a body, so I was baffled and asked "So, when did He leave His body after being resurrected?" They didn't have a good answer. Anyway, since Jesus was glorified and made "equal with God," how could it be that the Father does not have a tangible body? I know what John 4:24 says, but I don't' believe that literally means He is only spirit.

So are you saying that each of the three persons are comprised of the same type of matter? If we were to see the Father and the Son, would we see two separate person side by side? And if we could see the Holy Ghost (perhaps in the form of a dove), would that be a third separate person so that we see three separate persons?

So how is that so different from what we Mormons believe? Do you believe that Jesus has a body of flesh and bones?

Thanks beefche. It's more complicated that I thought. I'll drop this issue because I have sort of hijacked the thread.

I'll take the liberty of answering for bytor2112. The song "I Believe in Christ" includes "I'll worship him with all my might;" so it seems to make sense that he DOES agree with statement 2 and was affirming it with that song.

The English translation of the Latin Rite version says: "I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made." Ruthenian Catholic Church: "Light of light, true God of true God, begotten, not made, of one substance with the Father, through whom all things were made." Oriental Orthodox Churches: "Light of Light, very God of very God , begotten, not made , being of the same substance with the Father; and by whom all things were made" Anglican Communion: "Being of one substance with the Father" Lutheran churches: "being of one substance with the Father" Presbyterian churches: "begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father" So it's in the Nicene Creed.

Honestly, that does throw me off. I don't know what to say now.

Loudmouth, I wouldn't be concerned if it were limited to some members believing this stuff, but there's an active campaign to disseminate it to investigators.

The Nicene Creed insists that they are one substance. What makes far more sense is that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one in purpose and mission, but not one in substance - they are three distinct, physical beings. Jesus prayed for his disciples saying: Does that mean that Jesus wanted his disciples to be lumped together in one mass? And was Jesus actually praying to himself?

bcspace provided information that leaves no doubt. You need to give up, Skippy. I respectively say you are simply wrong on this issue and you are really reaching to explain your position at this point. That doesn't mean our black/African American brothers and sisters won't join the Church. Heck, the stories in the BoM are only about the Lamanites/Native Americans, anyway.