Gwen

Not to sound dismissive and I'm sure you have checked these things but...... When my smoke alarm batteries get old they will go off with no reason. It's a way of making me aware of them. Kids toys if left on and in "sleep" mode will sometimes jump or make sounds. Again to tell you to turn them off. If the batteries are old and starting to go they will also do weird things to get your attention. Things being moved.... In my house with 5 little kids things move all the time and "no one" was responsible... kinda like who ate the cookies they were told not to touch. lol

ok this is one I'll admit I've never fully understood. I honestly think this is just tradition from the past. I seriously doubt there is anyone waiting to go through my trash to find out if I threw some garments away so they can get their hands on (or wear) my worn out "magic mormon undies". I can see how in the early days of the church with heavy persecution and such that this might be a real concnern.... but today? I really don't think anyone cares. I remember being in 11th grade and at a friends house she started talking about her parents burning the markings in their garments for disposal. That was the first I had heard of such a thing. The way she described it made it sound like some crazy ritual and that was the first time I thought the garments and such to be weird. That bothered me more than anything else. I was very happy to hear you didn't "have" to do that. lol

pre-marriage counseling

I've never had the dreams about being naked in a location in which i shouldn't be.... i do have the bathroom dreams though. The ones where you have to go but can't find a bathroom... if I don't wake up and in my dream I find a toilet and go then I will wet the bed. lol I think such dreams inspired this Animaniacs- Potty Emergency Video lol

I've never lived there so I can't say what area to live in. I do live in the south, my first temple trip was to the atlanta temple. My advice..... Once you start to get over the culture shock you should try some boiled peanuts, you have to buy them from a fruit stand on the side of the road if you want good ones. :) If you go expecting UT you will hate it, if you go expecting to experiance something new it will be a blast. Have fun.

according to this is there really anyone who has never been assaulted or has never assaulted someone? We can't prosecute everything, the details make the difference on which cases those should be.

If the bishop has to report every youth that pressures their boy/girlfriend to go a little further than they are comfortable for assault then no one would ever confess and repent. There is a difference than when a girl goes out with a ym she has never kissed and he goes into the woods at night and tells her to put out or get out and two teens who make out rutinely, go to far one night and one wants to go further than the other. Yes if one pushes to sex then it's rape and yes less probably qualifies as "assault". The question becomes, does all assault need to be reported and prosecuted or can some be delt with "in house"? Sometimes my kids get mad and hit each other, I deal with it not call the cops and file assault charges. This may have been an honest needs follow up assault. In which case this is a good thing. If it's not and the parents are just mad then it's going to ruin a lot of lives. And yes teens lie to avoid trouble. I can see a girl claiming less was consensual than really was so mom and dad would hate the boy and not her. We just don't know what this case involves it's to early to hang anyone. I do think if the bishop thought there was assault involved he should have called the church hotline.

I know ppl will hate me over this but oh well.... we don't have enough details to know if this is a good thing or not. If this was a case of a YW going to far herself, leading things up to an edge and then saying no then the YM pushes a bit further than that but also stopping after a moment. Was it wrong? yes. Doest he YM need to learn a ton about self control and what "no" means? absolutely. Does the girl also need to learn how she got in the situation to begin with? yes. Does the girl need to take accountability for her mistakes? yes. Such a situation needs to be handled and handled firmly. But I believe it can he handled among the parties and could see a bishop attmepting that path first. (If it comes out he has done this with other girls or even gone further then he is indeed a danger then that changes things.) If it is the kind of case we all get rightly upset about where you have an adult who takes advantage or hurts the neighbors 4 yr old then call asap and report it. If a YM or adult male just came up and started grabbing her without desire on her part that is different. In the first many ppl's lives can be ruined forever over something that is a common teenage learning curve. right? no, but common. Other things need prompt attention.

I would argue the idea that it can't be sexual. Why can't it be sexual? I would find it awkward if someone was just getting off on the idea of wearing the opposite gender clothes but that one sexaul factor does not generalize to all others. If I sleep in my husband's shirt when he's away it may not be an instant turn on kind of thing but it is intimate and/or sexual in nature. If I pull on his shirt after some couple time that is sexual in nature (it's pretty accepted that some ppl really like that). It's not lingerie, but that isn't the only kind of clothes you can wear and it be sexaul. I don't see anything wrong with that type of sexual expression in the marriage relationship.

First you don't get to give clearance, just a letter to the first presidency who makes that decision. So take that weight off your shoulders. Second, say whatever you need to in the letter to the first presidency. I would bring it up. Not to try and hurt his "chances" of getting resealed but becuause it would really bother me. If he's lying to god then he's probably lying to the other woman. The reason they ask for the letter is for a checks and balance. To give you the chance to make peace with it, have your "say" and for them to know of any unresolved issues in the marriage. They specifically ask about adultry (a few months? was that a factor?). So yes, I would put it in the letter. Not in spite or to say "I desire to interfear with the request" kind of way. I would just say you are concerned about the future of his spouse to be (is there concern for you children with him doing such a "quick turn around"? if so I would focus more on that), make it an FYI. That you were not worthy before the divorce, he had porn issues, the bishop who gave the recommend is a best friend... etc. I would end it with if the first presidency decides he is worthy and grants this sealing that you have no objections etc. If you find someone new you can have the sealing broken and be re-sealed to another. It will not break your sealing to your children. They were BIC and always will be. You have a covenant to/with them and always will. If you break one strand in a spider web the rest doesn't have to fall apart. The sealing ordinance is a spider web not a chain. I touched on a potential issue for your kids. I don't know how old they are so it may not be an issue at all but I would be worried about how this quick change effects them. In many states after a divorce in the paperwork it will say you can not get remarried, except to each other, for 1 yr after the divorce is final. If that is true for yours he can't apply for a sealing anyway. You have to wait until everything is cleared legally and both parties are worthy to go to the temple before you apply for the clearance.

Yes, being current on child support etc is part of the recommend interview. It comes up a lot. We just finished sending a copy of the custody order to the insurance company. They required proof that we are required by law to provide health insurance for my stepson or they would have kicked him off the policy.

In my opinion.... Some things are erased. Everything won't be, some we will have to account for even after we repented. Being sealed and breaking that covenant is a big deal. One of the main reasons for this life is to have an eternal family. The sealing is the crowning ordinance of the gospel. To think we can break such a covenant lightly is to fool ourselves. We will have to give a full accounting of our marriage(s) and how we treated our children. Anyone that has been in a marriage for more than a few yrs knows the kind of baggage we carry around. The more marriages a person has typically the larger their baggage is. A person can do all the things needed to be worthy and then have relapses, slip ups, or even all new mistakes that stem from that baggage. let me see if I followed lol Your GGfather was sealed to your GGmother.... She was a widow.... sealed to the first husband? If they were sealed and they lived a covenant marriage (only they and the lord will really know that, things can go on in marriages no one knows about) then they will have opportunity to have claim upon those blessings in the next life.

merriam webster I agree she didn't have all the facts. But part truth is satan's game. She had enough truth to have made the decision god wanted her to make. In the end they had to leave the garden, that's an accepted truth. The definition doesn't say trick. I think 3 fits rather well here. He distracted or diverted her with something agreeable. He engaged her interest with deception. Did she fully grasp every consequence at the time of the choice? probably not but then neither did Adam when he made his choice. I don't like the impression left of putting Adam on a pedistal with Christ because he was "willing to die for Eve" but then say she was tricked. I think she was equally intelligent and tought out in her decision. She did the best she knew how to do, the best with the information she had. Which is exactly what Adam did.

Why do we assume Eve was tricked? What is to say she didn't also make concious choice just as Adam did? Would go a lot toward showing equality in their relationship. Eve made a choice of her own will. She didn't need Adam's "permission" to make that choice. Once she made that choice then Adam had a choice he had to make. He was impacted by her agency. He chose Eve.

I've worn my husband's before. I don't see an issue with it. My first winter after getting married I thought things were to cold and I wore his thermal ones cause I didn't own any. Sometimes I like to wear his shirts to sleep in. Though I have to say I don't think he's ever considered wearing mine. lol

The crusades? Ppl that were killed for having the audacity to believe all humans are created equal and deserve equal treatment and rights (aka civil rights movments) ? Ppl that believe it's ok to form intimate relationships (not just sex) with whomever they fall in love with (for example same gender or interracial relationships)?

Our branch got cut to 2 hours.... lol

Congrats on being released. My husband was told he will never be released as clerk.... lol

I had a dream recently in which I dreamed in a dream. The secondary dream was more real than the first. So real that I couldn't figure out if it was a secondary dream or if it was something really happening around me and it was making it's way into my sleep. I was not able to figure out what was real and what wasn't for about 15 min or more after waking up. I kept trying to wake up and could not, I can usually wake myself up on command so that was very unusual for me. I do feel like I received some revelation in the secondary dream at which point I "woke up" and went back to the first dream. I tried to wake up from that one as well and could not but I'm not sure how long that lasted. I ended up dreaming awhile more while pondering the secondary dream (and still trying to figure out what was real and what was not). It wasn't until I woke up for real that I was able to realize it was 2 dreams and none of it was real. It's been several weeks but even now to think about the secondary dream feels very real. It was so real that I spent days pondering it; that's when I understood and realized there was revelation in it. The first dream I couldn't tell you what it was about, I remember it was weird and not restful but I couldn't tell you the details or why it was unrestful. I've had lots of weird dreams but that one is probably hits the top of the list.

Being chased is a pretty common theme. When I have them I usually can't get away, I always end up right back where I started and in danger. Dream Moods: Common Dreams: Being Chased It's fun to look at the other elements in the dream. Sometimes the chases or the reason I can't get away is a body of water so I search "water" and see what that is "supposed" to mean. Other themes or images that stand out I also search. Even when the "meaning" doesn't fit my situation thinking about it and giving it a chance to ponder it out I can often figure out which stressor is causing the dream. Many times I didn't realize it before. Also sometimes just knowing conciously what is bothing you is enough to make the dream go away, don't actually have to solve it all at once.

I understand the importance of the bishop's opinion here but aren't we forgetting..... ask your parents first and what they think of the haircut. Do they think it's fine for passing? This is a family decision. If after the decision is made the bishop disagrees then the family can sit down and discuss it with him.

I would say the opinion of the frist* wife would have a say in what they decided. Once a man is sealed to more than on woman it is no longer a decision between the two ppl, it's a decision for everyone impacted by it. *first wife being the one who went through this life's trials and died worthy of the eternal marriage first... not cronological order of sealing. All that being said if at the end of judgement my husband and his ex decided they both wanted each other I would probably tell them to be happy and ask to be with someone else. I have no desire to spend eternity with her, if what she did to him in this life is more valuable to him than what I have done they deserve each other..... but then if we have those attitudes we probably won't be judged worthy of the eternal blessing of a marriage anyway and it won't be something to worry about. lol

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My husband came home after a stake priesthood meeting talking about how the atonement applied to all ppl across all time so that meant the pre existance as well. I wasn't there I can't give you references for anything to that. It did spark an interesting discussion. He was saying there were some that chose to follow satan and then came back before it was to late and the atonement covered those sins. Off hand I have a hard time with that. I don't believe there was sin in the pre existance. That is one of the major points of this life is to learn opposites, good and evil, etc. If there was sin before then we didn't need to come here to learn that. We were in an ideal state. I do believe there was agency and thus could be transgressions, but that's not the same as sin and while there are consequences there is no need for "repentance" (therefore no need for an atoning). The atonement was part of the plan for this life. but that is just a quick summery of our little debate on that issue. lol