Larry Cotrell

Moses 2:11-19 says the same thing Day 3 (verses 11-13) And I, God, said: Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, the fruit tree yielding fruit, after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed should be in itself upon the earth, and it was so even as I spake. And the earth brought forth grass, every herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed should be in itself, after his kind; and I, God, saw that all things which I had made were good; And the evening and the morning were the third day. Day 4 (verses 14-19) And I, God, said: Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven, to divide the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and for years; And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth; and it was so. And I, God, made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night, and the greater light was the sun, and the lesser light was the moon; and the stars also were made even according to my word. And I, God, set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And the sun to rule over the day, and the moon to rule over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness; and I, God, saw that all things which I had made were good; And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. God is fully capable of keeping the plants alive for a day while He makes the sun.

“You have been both to Jerusalem and Zion, and seen both. I have not seen either, for I have never been in Jackson County. Now it is a pleasant thing to think of and to know where the Garden of Eden was. Did you ever think of it? I do not think many do, for in Jackson County was the Garden of Eden. Joseph has declared this, and I am as much bound to believe that as to believe that Joseph was a prophet of God.” - Prophet Brigham Young, Journal History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, March 15, 1857 Genesis 2:10-14 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin and onyx are also there.) The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush. The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Ashur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. I will keep my opinion out of this, but where do you all think that the Garden of Eden was?

I don't believe nor do I know of people who believe that Jethro was a Christophany. Here's a great article about him: http://www.gotquestions.org/Jethro-in-the-Bible.html. Anyway, I do believe that he was a priest of God (note that he was a Midianite, not a Jew by heritage). In any case, (again this is the common Evangelical view) there is no longer need for priests, just like we don't need animal sacrifices, because Jesus was our sacrifice and is our priest. Hebrew 4:14-16 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Thank you, I love discussion though. It is welcome on my post.

Luke 1:35 KJV And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Mary was more of a surrogate mother (for lack of a better word). What I mean is that Mary didn't pass her genes to Jesus. Jesus was from the Holy Spirit born through Mary. In this way, Mary was not the literal mother of Jesus. Although, some of my Catholic friends might not agree.

Jesus was born of the virgin Mary so He didn't have biological parents.

What do you all think of this verse? Genesis 18:1-3 And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: The story continues Who do you think the three men were?

Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. This could not apply to a human being. @Jane_Doe, aside from Melchizedek, do you believe that there were Christophanies in the Old Testament?

Melchizedek and Abraham first met after Abraham’s defeat of Chedorlaomer and his three allies. Melchizedek presented bread and wine to Abraham and his weary men, demonstrating friendship. He bestowed a blessing on Abraham in the name of El Elyon (“God Most High”) and praised God for giving Abraham a victory in battle (Genesis 14:18–20). Abraham presented Melchizedek with a tithe (a tenth) of all the items he had gathered. By this act Abraham indicated that he recognized Melchizedek as a priest who ranked higher spiritually than he. One common view is that the appearance of Melchizedek was a Christophany. Although there is no way to be 100% sure of this, the pieces fit.

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Hebrews 7:23-28 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

There's a great pastor named Henry Blackaby that puts me to sleep every time. Even if I want to stay awake I just can't. I was doing a Bible study and I fell asleep during one of the videos when he was talking. At least I wasn't the only one who had fallen asleep.

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

I have not been sitting behind my computer for the last two days trying to "argue my point" as everyone makes it sound. I posted a Bible verse on Sunday night and have been trying to "defend" myself (for lack of a better word). You can go back and read all of my posts in this thread. When the moderators told me to back down, I did. Even when I was challenged this was my response: I wanted to discuss this and bring up more scriptures but I didn't. I was informed this was not the proper forum (or website) for this discussion. So I had to say no, I will not discuss this with you. I don't know what else you want me to do.

All that I did was post Ephesians 2:8-9. Also, I would like to add that my statement was not really my statement, it was Paul's. If you think that my statement was "anti-Mormon," don't be frustrated with me, be frustrated with Paul. He is the one that wrote it, not me.

Ben-Hur (1959) was more extravagant than the new one. However, the new one was fantastic. I really enjoyed it.

I understand that this is not a contradiction. It "appeared" to be a contradiction when I first read the passage, which is simply because of my lack of knowledge when it comes to the Book of Mormon. I posted the question, not because I thought that I had found some hole in Mormon doctrine, but because I wanted to understand what these references in Alma meant. I know understand these references thanks to explanations from various members. Also, thank you for the link to Gospel Topics.

Thank you, @NeuroTypical, I just opened an account on Mormondialogue.org

I am well aware of James 2 and have spent time studying this chapter and what it means. I would love to discuss this with you, @estradling75, but I have been informed not to.

All I did is post a Bible verse, I don't think that's arguing LDS doctrine. But I will stop posting Bible verses if I'm not supposed to.

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Yes, the Jewish calendar is lunar. The information I gave was for this year, but it does change from year to year.

True, Leviticus 16:29 says " And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you" The seventh month of the Jewish Calendar is Tishri, which starts on the second of October. Thus the tenth day of the seventh month would be equivalent to October 11/12th.

Maybe I'm related to him too. Cousin Mike and I always wondered... :-)

I am reading through the Book of Mormon, I'm in Alma, and I am trying to understand it. I hope you don't mind me asking a question to clarify what I'm reading, @Carborendum. I don't just want to read the words in the Book of Mormon, I want to understand what it is trying to say. Thank you, @zil for explaining.